The Death Penalty Rapes us All

[The Voice of Time]

johnny, what is efficiency worth if not for producing well-being? Your logo-centralism isn't reflective of real humans.

The moral of the populace is a very straight-forward term if you know what "moral" means. http://onelook.com/?w=moral&ls=a , should help you some way. All that occurs in society is symbolism, and people interpret symbolism, but in a chaotic rather than ordered manner, therefore they will not see the logical system inherent to people who carry murderous thoughts like you.

[chaz wyman]

Brady lived to suffer from life imprisonment. A far more fitting punishment I think.
What good would it have done to kill them?

it would have saved the tax payers a-lot of money

That is the most base reason to kill a person.
But you are wrong - the average Death-Rower in the US expends more resources in umpteen appeals and delays, than was ever spent on Brady all his life.
He was a nutter - I don't think it is good to kill nutters.

[reasonvemotion]

I was waiting for VoT's response to my question of alternatives, but he chose to ignore this and put it back onto me. So I will oblige. Here is an example of a reprieved serial killer.

Jack Unterweger, Austria's most infamous serial killer, whilst in prison for murder, became a celebrity, from writing poety and a novel. He was in 1990 given parole. Now there is a saying "show me an educated pyschopath and what do you have, an educated pyschopath". Still a pyschopath. Unfortunately, he went on to kill a further nine women, during his release from prison. The justice system realised the need to capture Jack pronto, which they did, but as you can see it was "too late". Mercifully, he hung himself. He was an intelligent man. LOL

To CW.
Not to give Bradley and Hindley death is a crime in itself. The tape given as evidence made by them of the little girl pleading to go back to her mummy, whilst they sexually defiled her and tortured her was an abomination, too horrible to contemplate. To keep a couple alive to "study them"! Their deeds were enough.
Your "over" intellectualizing sometimes removes a necessary piece of the pie, "feeling".

[chaz wyman]

I was waiting for VoT's response to my question of alternatives, but he chose to ignore this and put it back onto me. So I will oblige. Here is an example of a reprieved serial killer.

Jack Unterweger, Austria's most infamous serial killer, whilst in prison for murder, became a celebrity, from writing poety and a novel. He was in 1990 given parole. Now there is a saying "show me an educated pyschopath and what do you have, an educated pyschopath". Still a pyschopath. Unfortunately, he went on to kill a further nine women, during his release from prison. The justice system realised the need to capture Jack pronto, which they did, but as you can see it was "too late". Mercifully, he hung himself. He was an intelligent man. LOL

So what is your point?

[reasonvemotion]

Execution.

[Arising_uk]

Preferrably one without Gary Ridgway free and attending rehabilitation sessions.

But he's not is he?

[Arising_uk]

I want to know which solutions, specifically, could be applied to men or women who murder in multiplicity.

A society which identifies these people early on. As from the looks of most of these cases they could have been identified in their teens. This would involve a lot more caring and compassion about others and a lot more 'parental' involvement by those who aren't their parents.

[Arising_uk]

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Singapore's use of death penalty has worked wonders for them.and it's quick & efficient.you should look into it.

It also has what the American would consider massive socialist education, health and housing policies so maybe its murder rate is down because social divisions are not so large as they are in America.

If the death penalty is such a deterrent why is it that those who have such a thing keep having to execute people?

[reasonvemotion]

reasonvemotion wrote:
Preferrably one without Gary Ridgway free and attending rehabilitation sessions.

UK wrote:
But he's not is he?

If the mob have their way................Ticktock, ticktock, ticktock.

PS

Ridgway would have got the death penalty, except he had a good lawyer and took a plea bargain, in exchange to give further names of more victims and where they could be located.

[The Voice of Time]

Execution.

I'm disgusted by you, really. I have no left over for people who can send others to death. To them I just want to say that you can join the people in the gas chamber, then the world, by your logic, is not only done of one but two murderers, and we'd all be doubly gaining.

Pardon however that I didn't register you asked for examples.

To be specific is hard because each person, regardless of crime committed and central to the qualities of the person involved, is a different case. Some countries, territories and cities have culture for killings, like gang-wars or desperate fighting in poor or heavily crime infiltrated places, then you have people who are "stuck" in lives where they go nuts and turns enemy of all that is sacred, or just humans close or specific to them, then you have "assassins" or "order enforcers", both somehow contracted for killing, the former maybe just a brute in a crime neighbourhood who "solves problems" or a full-time specialist, the second all from guerilla-soldiers to mob-men to other forms of iron fists in anarchy. Then you have the "obsessives", like Jack the Ripper and stuff like that, but which also includes indoctrinated people by mad leaders, mad parents or other guidance into violence and murder. The former case a person who, apparently by himself made what he become, the later an early enforced distorted world view. The list goes on.

Most people never kill more than once, and then maybe somebody killed their family, but didn't go out on an outright "killing-spree". I guess however you want to know what you do with serial killers or mass-murderers.

It is often the case they are smart: so, why don't we take advantage of their smartness? They don't have to be released out of prison. And being in prison doesn't mean they can't be productive for themselves and society at large, it's not like they are brain-dead or anything! Smart serial killers can be used to catch other serial killers, they can be artists of all different kinds, they can even be computer programmers, market analysts, mathematicians, guitar players, whatever! There's a lot you can do inside a cell, especially in our present day state of technology. If there ever existed a dumb serial killer, then I'm quite sure that since the majority of jobs in this world are for less progressively intelligent people then surely there are things for that person to do as well. If the person cannot be trusted then give the person a task which makes it hard to not complete. If the person does not want to do anything then you'll just have to try, and if you can't even then (which I find unlikely you should be so hard at getting to and even less unlikely that you do not succeed in the end), you'll just have to do the best out of it. What do you do when your child refuses to do entirely what you say? Refuses to eat... anything. You'll just have to be patient. To loose hope is the last one should loose. Optimism is the word.

[johngalthasspoken]

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Singapore's use of death penalty has worked wonders for them.and it's quick & efficient.you should look into it.

It also has what the American would consider massive socialist education, health and housing policies so maybe its murder rate is down because social divisions are not so large as they are in America.

If the death penalty is such a deterrent why is it that those who have such a thing keep having to execute people?

so basically what you're saying is socio-economic divisions lead to people commit heinous crimes?that sounds like a fucking excuse to me.In the United States, capital punishment is not the greatest deterrent because we waste too much time with people on death row and rarely ever end up killing them. Compare this to Singapore or China, where the death penalty is a very quick and efficient process, there is far less serious crime.you have to make a cost/benefit analysis when deciding to keeping a criminal alive.
Capital punishment is only immoral to those who are naive romantic idealists."lets give peace chance" type ones.

[johngalthasspoken]

That is the most base reason to kill a person.
But you are wrong - the average Death-Rower in the US expends more resources in umpteen appeals and delays, than was ever spent on Brady all his life.
He was a nutter - I don't think it is good to kill nutters.

ummm,as i've stated before in previous comments,we need to make it more efficient & cost effective process similar to Singapore & China. Tell me, why are you so appalled by the idea of putting someone responsible of heinous crimes to death?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

That is the most base reason to kill a person.
But you are wrong - the average Death-Rower in the US expends more resources in umpteen appeals and delays, than was ever spent on Brady all his life.
He was a nutter - I don't think it is good to kill nutters.

ummm,as i've stated before in previous comments,we need to make it more efficient & cost effective process similar to Singapore & China. Tell me, why are you so appalled by the idea of putting someone responsible of heinous crimes to death?

Of course, just a quick bullet through the head with no chance to appeal. I'm pretty sure it's not as 'efficient' as you seem to think

[johngalthasspoken]

Of course, just a quick bullet through the head with no chance to appeal. I'm pretty sure it's not as 'efficient' as you seem to think

as i've stated before, i strongly believe in the notion that "accused are innocent until proven guilty" and yes,i also believe in appeals.

[johngalthasspoken]

johnny, what is efficiency worth if not for producing well-being? Your logo-centralism isn't reflective of real humans.
The moral of the populace is a very straight-forward term if you know what "moral" means. http://onelook.com/?w=moral&ls=a , should help you some way. All that occurs in society is symbolism, and people interpret symbolism, but in a chaotic rather than ordered manner, therefore they will not see the logical system inherent to people who carry murderous thoughts like you.

Oh,i'm in touch with humanity. but unlike you, i'm not a naive romantic idealist..you believe pursuit of happiness & well-being to be the highest ideal.i don't.