Christianity's Immoral Foundation

[chaz wyman]

Oh Mr Forged In Hell

You do offend me. Dumber than dumber. You are a traiter to your own kind. Start from there.

More advice to you. Stop taking everything personally. You are not that important.

There you go, proving my point. When you write that I am a "traitor to my own kind," that's because you hate Jews. I'm an atheist, bitch, get it? My "people" are none other than human beings. But, you can't help yourself. Because my father was Jewish, I must be a Jew, and I must be a representative of all other Jews. Who appointed me their representative? You think of me as Other because you are a Jew-hating bitch. Personally, I've taken enough crap from people like you. I intend to get in your faces and piss you off, and expose you scumbags for the total pieces of human excrement you truly are.

You are a disgrace to all Jews.

[ForgedinHell]

Oh Mr Forged In Hell

You do offend me. Dumber than dumber. You are a traiter to your own kind. Start from there.

More advice to you. Stop taking everything personally. You are not that important.

There you go, proving my point. When you write that I am a "traitor to my own kind," that's because you hate Jews. I'm an atheist, bitch, get it? My "people" are none other than human beings. But, you can't help yourself. Because my father was Jewish, I must be a Jew, and I must be a representative of all other Jews. Who appointed me their representative? You think of me as Other because you are a Jew-hating bitch. Personally, I've taken enough crap from people like you. I intend to get in your faces and piss you off, and expose you scumbags for the total pieces of human excrement you truly are.

You are a disgrace to all Jews.

There you go, Chaz, the man who claims "the Jews control the US economy," and "Israel is a terrorrist state," who in between smearing Jews with anti-semitism on behalf of his commie buddies, pretends to be a Jew. Now, tell me, Chaz, the UNintellectual wonder on this forum, how could I possibly be a disgrace to any Jew? The only rational way to treat a person is as an individual, not as a member of a group. That's something you are too stupid to comprehend. Now, are you seriously claiming that if someone dislikes me, or what I have to say, that somehow they are justified in holding it against all Jews? How could that possibly be, Chaz, unless, of course, you are an anti-semitic scumbag. Or, are you claiming that because my father was Jewish, that I am denied the right to think what I want? To believe what I want? Am I somehow confined to certain positions because of my birth? Please explain that one to me, all witless-one?

By the way, I've been busy all day, but did you manage to prove your neo-nazi claim that "the Jews control the US economy"? Or, did you man-up and retract the statement, and admit you are a disgrace to the human race?

[ForgedinHell]

Moron - there is no such religion as Paganism. It is a term used by Christians to refer to the collection of religions that they were busy persecuting.
All Christian sects take the Old Testament as their foundation, dick-wad.

You are a hypocrite because you adhere to a religious group whose sole claim on Palestine is that from the Holy Book, without that clim there would be no Israel and no jews - most of whom are of Kazhar and European ancestry.

Look, retarded, Jew-hating scum, you are flat-out wrong. There were pagan religions, and those religions form the foundation of Christianity. Go look at such religions as Mythra, for example, and see the similiarities with the Jesus myth. It's al based on astrology crap in any case. The Christians definitely do not take the Jewish texts as their foundation. They grossly misinterpret them for one thing. And no Jew would worship a man as a god, that is childishness. The Jewish messiah, for example, was never to be a god. That's a pagan idea.

I adhere to no religious group, dumbass, I am an atheist. So, how am I a hypocrite again, Mr. Jew-Hating scum? And the "Khazar" myth? LOL. Gee, you really have been looking hard at those white-supremacy sites and conspiracytard sites. The genetic studies show Jews are descended from people who lived in the middle east. The Khazar myth, that idiots like Alex Jones and other anti-semites portray is just laughable. Is that reaally the best you can come up with, scumn bag? By the way, I had a really good laugh at your "proof" that the Jews "control the US economy." You have any more "proof" from your hate-sites, scumbag?

[Outsider]

Look, retarded, Jew-hating scum, you are flat-out wrong. There were pagan religions, and those religions form the foundation of Christianity. Go look at such religions as Mythra, for example, and see the similiarities with the Jesus myth. It's al based on astrology crap in any case.

Stupid, there is No religion called Mythra. You must mean Mithraism - after which the Jewish Christianity was modelled to be "exportable" material into the West.
Christianity is the A-political Continuation of demented-angry-violent-god Judaism, that You reflect in your behaviour in every post.

[ForgedinHell]

Look, retarded, Jew-hating scum, you are flat-out wrong. There were pagan religions, and those religions form the foundation of Christianity. Go look at such religions as Mythra, for example, and see the similiarities with the Jesus myth. It's al based on astrology crap in any case.

Stupid, there is No religion called Mythra. You must mean Mithraism - after which the Jewish Christianity was modelled to be "exportable" material into the West.
Christianity is the A-political Continuation of demented-angry-violent-god Judaism, that You reflect in your behaviour in every post.

Julian the Apostate, for example, worshipped Mythra. It doesn't matter what specific name you give it, the fact is it is very similar to a number of other myths, including the jesus one. The reason? It's all based on astrology. Christianity does not come from Judaism, it comes from the mystery cults. The names of the Jesus are the same, the savior god story is the same, the three magis bearing gifts are the same, the 12 apostles are the same, the rising after three days, is all the same. It's all based on astrology. The 12 apostles? There are 12 zodiac signs. Rising after 3 days? That's because the sun takes three days to turn around and come back towards us when it is at its farthest point from us. The "sun" I mean "son" king? The three magis? Look at the three stars following in a line after the brightest star in the sky. All of these myths, including the Christian one, parallel astrology. That is the root of Christianity, not Judaism.

[Mike Strand]

Via internet:
Writer #1: You’re an asshole, Writer #2!
Writer #2: You’re an asshole for calling me an asshole!
Writer #1: Well, you’re doubly an asshole for your stupid reason for calling me an asshole!
Writer #2: Let’s meet in person, and then we’ll see!
Writer #1: OK!

Writers #1 and 2 met in person, found that they got aroused calling each other names, and got married soon after meeting. They may or may not have been of the same race, sex, religion, or culture, but everyone wished them well.

[Outsider]

Julian the Apostate, for example, worshipped Mythra. It doesn't matter what specific name you give it, the fact is it is very similar to a number of other myths, including the jesus one. The reason? It's all based on astrology. Christianity does not come from Judaism, it comes from the mystery cults. The names of the Jesus are the same, the savior god story is the same, the three magis bearing gifts are the same, the 12 apostles are the same, the rising after three days, is all the same. It's all based on astrology. The 12 apostles? There are 12 zodiac signs. Rising after 3 days? That's because the sun takes three days to turn around and come back towards us when it is at its farthest point from us. The "sun" I mean "son" king? The three magis? Look at the three stars following in a line after the brightest star in the sky. All of these myths, including the Christian one, parallel astrology. That is the root of Christianity, not Judaism.

Who cares where and all Christianity parasited, thieved, and grew; fact is it Is a Messianic religion based on Messianic Judaism. Mithra was a pagan deity not even remotely messianic.

For someone drumrolling he's an Atheist, you have far more time explaining origins of Christianity and 12 zodiacs and what not, than talking about Science and Its Foundations!!!! You know That True Science you are proud about. Explain those foundations Orgyhead.

[Mike Strand]

I believe the question to ask of any "religious" belief system, no matter what its origins (hard to determine) or who espouses it (whether good looking, smelly, sweet, ugly, black, yellow, white, stupid, smart) is: What are its teachings regarding how human beings should behave? Those teachings may then be judged on their own merits, without appeal to authority or precedence.

This forum ("Philosophy of Religion") is subtitled, "Is there a God? If so, what is She like?" Maybe this subtitle should be expanded with a third question: "How should human beings behave toward each other?" Well, OK, this is already covered under the forum "Applied Ethics".

Too boring maybe, if we harp on being nice or treating each other with kindness and respect. A real yawner, and almost impossible to follow.. Warfare is more interesting, and seems to fit human nature better than the golden rule. After all, science claims we're closely related to chimpanzees, which defend territory and attack other chimps and animals who encroach on their perceived security zones. Humans may attack in order to change the ways of "inferior humans". Interesting and provoking!

What did you learn as a child? Something along the following lines?:
Be nice to people, unless they are mean to you. Share your things, unless you earned them or they are "yours", in which case you don't have to share. Clean up after yourself, if the mess bothers you -- otherwise, let someone else do it. And even if it bothers you, make someone else clean it up.

[Jonathan.s]

One idea which is represented in the Eastern religions that is worth reflecting on is that of Ignorance. It is roughly parallel to the Christian idea of Original Sin but is cognitive rather than volitional. It is understood as the reason why people generally act stupidly and maliciously and without regard for others or their own best interests. it is the default condition for mankind generally and the problem which the practice of religious discipline is aimed at overcoming.

[ForgedinHell]

One idea which is represented in the Eastern religions that is worth reflecting on is that of Ignorance. It is roughly parallel to the Christian idea of Original Sin but is cognitive rather than volitional. It is understood as the reason why people generally act stupidly and maliciously and without regard for others or their own best interests. it is the default condition for mankind generally and the problem which the practice of religious discipline is aimed at overcoming.

I see the point, like "ignorance is the root of all evil." But, then wouldn't the religion have to encourage real learning? That would make it different from at least some of the Christian versions I have seen, although not all of them.

[Mike Strand]

Jonathan's post about Eastern religion and "ignorance" vs. "original sin" is interesting, as is ForgedinHell's question about encouragement of real learning.

I think human beings, as a biological species, have evolved to possess the characteristic of being "nice" to members within survival or social or economic groups (tribes, villages, cities, etc.). This may be due to nice individuals being more likely to survive to a reproductive age and to actually reproduce within their group.

Part of the "real learning" may be each person discovering just what constitues the group within which that person should practice the golden rule. Only the person's birth family? The group is probably at least the person's home neighborhood or church or workplace, and the person may not have to learn to be nice beyond that.

Do we have to try to be nice to everyone in the whole state or country or world? Depends on several things, involving power relationships. I think many of us will have to be nice to anyone with power over us, if we care to survive (at least comfortably). If I'm rich and powerful, I may only have to be nice to a select group of cohorts.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Via internet:
Writer #1: You’re an asshole, Writer #2!
Writer #2: You’re an asshole for calling me an asshole!
Writer #1: Well, you’re doubly an asshole for your stupid reason for calling me an asshole!
Writer #2: Let’s meet in person, and then we’ll see!
Writer #1: OK!

Writers #1 and 2 met in person, found that they got aroused calling each other names, and got married soon after meeting. They may or may not have been of the same race, sex, religion, or culture, but everyone wished them well.

[Mike Strand]

Aw, shucks -- thanks!

[ForgedinHell]

Via internet:
Writer #1: You’re an asshole, Writer #2!
Writer #2: You’re an asshole for calling me an asshole!
Writer #1: Well, you’re doubly an asshole for your stupid reason for calling me an asshole!
Writer #2: Let’s meet in person, and then we’ll see!
Writer #1: OK!

Writers #1 and 2 met in person, found that they got aroused calling each other names, and got married soon after meeting. They may or may not have been of the same race, sex, religion, or culture, but everyone wished them well.

I wonder if bobbie evenson will find me cute enough to ask out on a date?

[Mike Strand]

FiH, I appreciate your sense of humor!