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chaz wyman wrote:
That was a pretty long fucking post for a person not wasting his time!
Fucking moron.
Hey fag....did you want to let me know that you were present?
I know you are there, douche-bag.

It's only a waste if I repeat it....or if I reply to the expected comeback.
Thanks for not reading my post. It saves me time.
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Satyr wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
That was a pretty long fucking post for a person not wasting his time!
Fucking moron.
Hey fag....did you want to let me know that you were present?
I know you are there, douche-bag.

It's only a waste if I repeat it....or if I reply to the expected comeback.
Thanks for not reading my post. It saves me time.
This is priceless!
Ha- it saves YOU time when I do not read your post?? You are a fucking moron!
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Indeed.
But you meant to hurt me, so I accept the sentiment....fag.

Intentions mean a lot...and you can imagine me being hurt by you not reading my posts.

Please carry on hurting me...it saves me time.
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Satyr wrote:Indeed.
But you meant to hurt me, so I accept the sentiment....fag.

Intentions mean a lot...and you can imagine me being hurt by you not reading my posts.

Please carry on hurting me...it saves me time.
Oh please don't hurt me!!!

I really think you need to figure out what the phrase "saves me time" actually means.

I don't even know you- so why would I want to hurt you?
Not only are you sneaky insulting little sad (probably ) profoundly lonely little fucker but you also seem to have a persecution complex.
Have you ever considered seeing a shrink?
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Why are such a little bitch, chaz?
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Whyner wrote: Oh please don't hurt me!!!
Why do you feel hurt by me ****?
Why do you feel it so much that you want to reciprocate and "make me taste my own medicine"?
chaz wyman wrote:I really think you need to figure out what the phrase "saves me time" actually means.
Haven't I?
Look how much time you've saved me already.
See, ****, i could be faced with a ten paragraphs of your inanities, but instead I get these little bits which are fun and not that wasteful.
So, please, never, ever read anything I write. If possible go one step further and save me even more time: never read anything I write and never respond to it.
That'll save me even more time.
Whyner wrote:I don't even know you- so why would I want to hurt you?
Wanting and being able to are two different things.
Why?
For the same reason you are responding even though you read nothing I write.
Let's call it your entertainment because retribution is too anti-Christian and goes against your bullshit principles.
Whyner wrote: Not only are you sneaky insulting little sad (probably ) profoundly lonely little fucker but you also seem to have a persecution complex.
In whatever manner you wihs to explain me away is fine by me.
You just go that extra step and totally ignore me.

And yes, if it pleases you to think of me as lonely, sad, with no friends or girls or money....it's fine by me. you have nothing to say on the substance of what I say so this makes you an imbecile and a coward who only wants to complain and "teach me a lesson".
My goal is reached: I made you expose your inner nature, outside the hypocrisies you delve out in these little get-togethers with your clan of sheeple.
I see your essence with your pettiness and vindictiveness and your tactics of evading what this says about you.
Whyner wrote:Have you ever considered seeing a shrink?
I am a shrink.

No, I'm a paraplegic, black, woman, with six children living on welfare.
Still says nothing to contradict my views though.

Keep trucking turd.
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apaosha wrote:Why are such a little bitch, chaz?
If I'm a bitch, you are dog shit.
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chaz wyman wrote:
apaosha wrote:Why are such a little bitch, chaz?
If I'm a bitch, you are dog shit.
What a comeback, bitch!

I christened this place the retard farm when I was here last year. It hasn't changed. But you, bitch, are going to be dressed in ribbons and bells and paraded around as this place's paragon and archetype.

Dance for me, bitch.
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Satyr wrote:This shall be my last response to you, unless you offer an angle which is more sophisticated or creative.
Maybe that would be for the best. 8)

Anyway, I think that we are much more alike than you would care to admit. But let's look at the differences first:
Satyr wrote:you contradict the real with your ideal.
Of course. That's what ideals are for.
Satyr wrote:WHAT?!!
You have got to be kidding me?
You didn't just say that, did you stupid?
But I did. And I kid you not. If ideals did not contradict reality, as you quite correctly observed they do, then they would merely describe it, and thus be rather useless. I think we can agree that the real world is not an ideal world:
Satyr wrote:Ideas are not ideals, you idiot.
My idea of life as being mortal is not my ideal.
My idea of my self is not my ideal. It is that it is NOT my ideal that makes me strive and struggle and suffer to become more.
I suppose that you strive and struggle in some particular direction, towards something somehow preferable to your present situation. Maybe what you strive for is not an ideal, maybe you set your sights lower, being realistic about what's possible, but whatever you project, if you extrapolate it far enough, what you have is an ideal, contradicting reality and thus being useful to you as a beacon, a guiding light in your struggle.

You may claim that you despise ideals and that you have none. But it seems to me that you have gathered a set of notions like individuality, freedom, competition, strenght, action and domination, identifying these as masculine, while their opposites - collectivity, security, cooperation, weakness, passivity and submission - you identify as feminine and denounce.

Is this idea of the superior male not an ideal of yours? And is it not also an obsolete ideal, a romantic dream of a time when men were men?

Yes, I know that you despise romantic dreams, but this ideal of yours is becoming less relevant in reality every day, as our culture continues to evolve towards greater connectivity, socialisation and necessary cooperation. You have observed it yourself; the feminisation of mankind is a main theme of yours. You know that it's happening in reality, and you complain about it, because it clashes with your ideals and threatens your view of the world, the one you have created in order to feel good about yourself.

Yes, we are more alike than you would care to admit. :lol:
Satyr wrote:No little girl, a nihilist is someone who denounces or denies the world as it is, replacing it with a more preferable, ideal one.
That's not my definition of a nihilist, but it describes what you do too, doesn't it?
Satyr wrote:When you denounce war and violence and superior/inferior and male competitiveness, you are, in fact, denouncing all the elements that made humans dominant in the animal kingdom.
Those are far from all the elements. Most important is our capability to contradict present reality with dreams of a better future; our capability to communicate abstract ideas through language and thus cooperate in making these dreams real. You might even attribute our progress to creative laziness; man began creating tools because he was too lazy to do the work by hand.
Satyr wrote:That you worship peace, love, brotherhood, humanity, altruism, oneness, God, is an indication that you now want to change the rules that made you possible, thinking that this will not change anything other than it will make things "better".
But the rules are changing, as they have already changed. (I suppose that you are talking about evolution when you speak of rules.) However, whether biological or cultural, evolution is not a game you can play, with rules that you can learn. Nature is what we are and evolution just happens. The rules of yesterday are not the same as the rules of tomorrow. It seems to me that it's you who are afraid of change, you who cling to "male" ideals that just won't cut it in the future. You are afraid of the hive, not because you fear that mankind will be overrun by other species, but because it has no place for you.
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apaosha wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
apaosha wrote:Why are such a little bitch, chaz?
If I'm a bitch, you are dog shit.
What a comeback, bitch!

I christened this place the retard farm when I was here last year. It hasn't changed. But you, bitch, are going to be dressed in ribbons and bells and paraded around as this place's paragon and archetype.

Dance for me, bitch.
You need to make up your mid who you are Apaosha the dog turd, or Satyr with wanker.
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Notvacka wrote:But the rules are changing, as they have already changed. (I suppose that you are talking about evolution when you speak of rules.) However, whether biological or cultural, evolution is not a game you can play, with rules that you can learn. Nature is what we are and evolution just happens. The rules of yesterday are not the same as the rules of tomorrow. It seems to me that it's you who are afraid of change, you who cling to "male" ideals that just won't cut it in the future. You are afraid of the hive, not because you fear that mankind will be overrun by other species, but because it has no place for you.
Human ideals come in many forms, girl...some are totally disconnected from reality to the point where they become detrimental to the mind infected by them; then there are those with more connections and so are more useful.

If you do not appreciate how male competitiveness and thinking outside the box and anti-authoritarianism is behind human progress, thus far, then I cannot help you, no matter how much you wish to believe you are "like" me.
Femininity, when ti comes to dominate, means stagnation, a surrender to what is, a complacency which indeed results in peace and quiet, as all which is dying is overtaken by a peace and serenity, a coming to terms with what is, a fatalism.
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Satyr wrote:Human ideals come in many forms, girl...some are totally disconnected from reality to the point where they become detrimental to the mind infected by them; then there are those with more connections and so are more useful.
Why do you think that ideals closer to reality are more useful? An ideal is something unattainable in reality, and it's useful because it contradicts reality and defines a goal never to be reached but always to be strived for. If the goal was ever reached, the ideal would become useless.
Satyr wrote:If you do not appreciate how male competitiveness and thinking outside the box and anti-authoritarianism is behind human progress, thus far, then I cannot help you, no matter how much you wish to believe you are "like" me.
Competitiveness, thinking outside the box and anti-authoritarianism? Are we down to these three now? And are they supposed to be "male"? Competitiveness is good if there is competition, though cooperation would be preferable. (Is there a word for cooperativeness?) Thinking outside the box is good, though it might be better to widen the box, if you follow the metaphor. And who is for authoritariansim in this day and age?

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that what worked in the past won't work as well in the future. Not that war (and war is a "male" thing if there ever was one) did any good in the past either.

You are like me in that you have constructed a philosophy and gathered a set of ideals in order to feel good about yourself. (Don't be ashamed. We all do it.) I figure that, like most libertarians, you want an excuse not to give a shit about others. And you think that referring to nature and evolution makes it okay to behave like an asshole. However, unlike the unimaginative lesser hordes of Randroids, you don't believe that individual freedom and ownership are some sort of "rights", which is refreshingly honest. And you have already helped me, like the Joker helps Batman. Actually, your misogynist macho posturing is so blatantly over the top, that I'm not sure that I'm not debating with a deliberate parody here. :)
Satyr wrote:...a surrender to what is, a complacency which indeed results in peace and quiet, as all which is dying is overtaken by a peace and serenity, a coming to terms with what is, a fatalism.
Sounds almost Zen. You should try it sometime. The only true freedom is freedom from the ego, and it can be reached through meditation, you know.
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Notvacka wrote:
Sounds almost Zen. You should try it sometime. The only true freedom is freedom from the ego, and it can be reached through meditation, you know.
And fantasy uis awlayus rpeferable to reality.

As long as someone is there to protect you from reality you can remain a child all you like.
The world depends on you remaining just as naive and stupid as you are.

Meditate...lose yourself in yourself.
Be a solipsist.
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apaosha wrote:What a comeback, bitch!

I christened this place the retard farm when I was here last year. It hasn't changed. But you, bitch, are going to be dressed in ribbons and bells and paraded around as this place's paragon and archetype.

Dance for me, bitch.
Weren't you banned?

But I see you're still following the goat around. *bleat* *bleat*
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Arising_uk wrote:Weren't you banned?
We've been over this, moron.
But I see you're still following the goat around. *bleat* *bleat*
Tis true, we're hunting for retardation. Look who bit. Is Mtymnd1 still here?
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