The Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

[marjoramblues]

I reckon that whot this place needs is a showing of our deep appreciation of all PN contributors - enthusiastic claps on the back time.

I've often spluttered at the screen and did the LOL thing; even when I really oughtn't to - it's so wicked
However, I don't tend to write the lol thing or even the thing as positive feedback. Perhaps I should...but then again, it interrupts the flow and might be misread...

Some have written 'Well said'; or have sighed in pleasure/relief at a long-awaited and clever break-through in the discussion...socratic wisdom an' all that!

I know that there have been some 'Insights' threads; but what about simply collecting a few of our very own 'gems', huh ?
It needn't be a competition - even an anonymous 'quote' with a 'wow, never thought of that before !' - or ' cool would be fantastic...

Whaddyathink ?

[marjoramblues]

Artisticsolution recently remembered and appreciated a quote by Richard Baron - but why did Richard use this quote, in what context; and who would have known about Richard's thought/insight, if AS hadn't brought it to our attention ?

What was that quote that Richard Baron posted long ago by Thomas Jefferson? "
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

Even though this quote is referring to politics...we could easily see how it can refer to philosophy as well. Why should we believe that words will injure us? Why should we fight against an idea that may put us in an unattractive light if it is truth?

But it is not so much the quotes by the important likes of Jefferson, but our very own - or how we have used philo quotes to futher a discussion...

It might be good to link to the relevant thread, or not - could be anonymised...

AS quote on Tue, June 19th 2012
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[artisticsolution]

Artisticsolution recently remembered and appreciated a quote by Richard Baron - but why did Richard use this quote, in what context; and who would have known about Richard's thought/insight, if AS hadn't brought it to our attention ?

The context...hmmmm...I believe it was in a political thread he provided this quote...perhaps ethics...I don't remember. However, I think it was either having to do with freedom of speech or public nudity or perhaps taxes? Been so long M...sorry...I don't remember. Also, I don't think he used the whole quote like I did above. I think he just used, "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

I wish he was here...perhaps he could remember what he was referring to....

[marjoramblues]

Artisticsolution recently remembered and appreciated a quote by Richard Baron - but why did Richard use this quote, in what context; and who would have known about Richard's thought/insight, if AS hadn't brought it to our attention ?

The context...hmmmm...I believe it was in a political thread he provided this quote...perhaps ethics...I don't remember. However, I think it was either having to do with freedom of speech or public nudity or perhaps taxes? Been so long M...sorry...I don't remember.

It's OK, AS, it doesn't really matter for the purposes of this thread - other than to bring out exactly what I mean
There are bound to be nuggets/gems galore - eg by present and previous posters like Non Sum - whose thoughts are out there, somewhere, unseen 'truths', unsaved...

and also, some real good 'insults'

Also, I don't think he used the whole quote like I did above. I think he just used, "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

I wish he was here...perhaps he could remember what he was referring to....

Perhaps he is feeling under-appreciated, or over-worked elsewhere - both ? Either way, wouldn't he too have difficulties remembering ?
Just wondering if anyone actually does save, as well as savour, such memorable moments on the PN forum ?
I wish I had...

[duszek]

An insult from a novel by Hollinghurst:

Before dinner, a young man approaches an elderly couple and tries to impress the husband by asking something in highly theoretical terms.
The wife present tells the young man:

Darling, you mustn´s tire yourself ...



I already used this insult on another forum. To get even with a smart-alec who had insulted me.

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I will contribute generously on this thread.

There is an insight from Paul Valéry, quoted in a thriller by Gianrico Carofiglio, which I agree with:

"In order to realize your dreams you need to wake up." (more or less, the taxi driver in the novel did not remember exactly either)

I read it yesterday. Mr Carofiglio is a magistrate in Bari. I like his thrillers because they show me what life and people in Southern Italy are like.

[duszek]

The Bad and the Ugly can be sanctioned by ignoring them.

The Good can be promoted by focusing on it and paying attention to it.

[marjoramblues]

The Bad and the Ugly can be sanctioned by ignoring them.

The Good can be promoted by focusing on it and paying attention to it.

Quote by duszek (Mon Jun 18th, 2012, 2.15 pm) - my bolds

Nietzsche despised the reader as such and said it bluntly.
And still millions of readers devour his writings passionately.

Oscar Wilde appreciated a good enemy. I agree, an enemy can teach you interesting things indirectly.

This thread isn't meant to be about sanctioning or ignoring - it is to show appreciation to all PN contributors; even the devilish - and those who make you think...by simply adding their words... or how they have used other quotes to underline/mine an argument.

And everyone will have a different view of what is Good, Bad or Ugly !

Good: positive/desirable eg a good joke ( but some might find bad or ugly ! ); skilled ( use of quotes ); valuable ( to the readers/thinkers ); admirable ( oh, my hero *faints*); generous ( a gift of an idea/insight)

Bad: OK, can also be used slangly as 'good' or 'excellent' but usually: not achieving an adequate standard/negative eg a poor joke (but even cringes can be 'fun', no ? ); evil ( surely not ); vulgar ( oh my, spare my ); unpleasant or disturbing (hmmm, but ain't that whot philo is about ?); naughty/mischievous...

Ugly: offensive, objectionable eg ugly temper/rude; menacing; bad-tempered; sullen. Compare the 'beautiful' words of which AS speaks.

And so on...
but really, again this isn't so much a classification or aesthetic exercise - just a short 'recognition' of someone's time/effort.

Like your quote above

[marjoramblues]

An insult from a novel by Hollinghurst:

Before dinner, a young man approaches an elderly couple and tries to impress the husband by asking something in highly theoretical terms.
The wife present tells the young man:

Darling, you mustn´s tire yourself ...



I already used this insult on another forum. To get even with a smart-alec who had insulted me.

Sounds good - do you collect 'insults' ? And book and page references ? And did your ping-pong work out fine for you, not too exhausting, I hope ?
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I will contribute generously on this thread.
I somehow knew you would

There is an insight from Paul Valéry, quoted in a thriller by Gianrico Carofiglio, which I agree with:

"In order to realize your dreams you need to wake up." (more or less, the taxi driver in the novel did not remember exactly either)
I read it yesterday. Mr Carofiglio is a magistrate in Bari. I like his thrillers because they show me what life and people in Southern Italy are like.

Again, this sounds fantastico - and I reckon that if this thread doesn't have much luck with quotes from our very own contributors, then - way to go !!! But isn't there a separate 'Insights' thread for that ?

[duszek]

Nietzsche did not spare the reader but at least he did not waste the reader´s attention, he talked substantially, most of the time.
That is why his writings are worth reading, if you have a strong ego and can bear the criticism.

Le désir ... veut .... une pro-fonde ... pro-fonde ... é .. ter .. ni .. té ....

read the assistant of Jean-Pierre Faye, in slow motion, on France Culture some years ago.

I was charmed.
It was only after her artistic reading that I started to meditate on the essence of desire.

[marjoramblues]

Nietzsche did not spare the reader but at least he did not waste the reader´s attention, he talked substantially, most of the time.
That is why his writings are worth reading, if you have a strong ego and can bear the criticism.

Le désir ... veut .... une pro-fonde ... pro-fonde ... é .. ter .. ni .. té ....

read the assistant of Jean-Pierre Faye, in slow motion, on France Culture some years ago.

I was charmed.
It was only after her artistic reading that I started to meditate on the essence of desire.

So, it's not just what you say, but the way that you say it...
- hmmm, I need to correct myself, then... this thread is an aesthetic exercise...as AS pointed out...somewhere...about judgement...
But that, I skimmed past, suggesting it was a Big Topic, deserving of its own thread...

[duszek]

I keep good insults in my memory, like the one from Hollinghurst.
But I have a note-book for good acts of speech too. They are understandable from context.

One time, under certain highly dramatic circumstances, a man approached me pretending to be a ghost: L...., n´ayez pas peur. That´s what I like to collect. The exasperated administrator cancelled everything so I can only remember this.

The man who insulted me and got the quote from H. in return is a difficult dark melancholy character. I have known him for years. I called him "maître frustrateur" more than once because he is so disappointing.

No, it was not too exhausting. He answered in bad English and wished me Happy Christmas. Probably to hurt me by promising not to talk to me for six months or so. It´s o.k.

Do you mean my thread of interesting insights ?
Oh, I can just as well go on on your thread.

[duszek]

The way we say it has always to be imagined when we read something.
We cannot read like computers, we dress the words into acts of speech, according to our experiences.

Good night !

[marjoramblues]

I keep good insults in my memory, like the one from Hollinghurst.
But I have a note-book for good acts of speech too. They are understandable from context.

One time, under certain highly dramatic circumstances, a man approached me pretending to be a ghost: L...., n´ayez pas peur. That´s what I like to collect. The exasperated administrator cancelled everything so I can only remember this.

The man who insulted me and got the quote from H. in return is a difficult dark melancholy character. I have known him for years. I called him "maître frustrateur" more than once because he is so disappointing.

No, it was not too exhausting. He answered in bad English and wished me Happy Christmas. Probably to hurt me by promising not to talk to me for six months or so. It´s o.k.

You love being insulted and disappointed ?

Do you mean my thread of interesting insights ?
Oh, I can just as well go on on your thread.

Oh, I bet you can 'go' on this thread as well but then wouldn't you be pissing on my parade * holds brolly up *

[marjoramblues]

The way we say it has always to be imagined when we read something.
We cannot read like computers, we dress the words into acts of speech, according to our experiences.

Good night !

Sleep tight !

[marjoramblues]

Gedanke, komm zurück,
tu mir diesen Stress nicht an.
Verschone mich.

Reflection, come back,
do not harass me with this (content).
Spare me.

by duszek who also quoted:

Verweile doch, du bist so schon.

which I love

As for MB's:
Oh, I bet you can 'go' on this thread as well but then wouldn't you be pissing on my parade * holds brolly up *

That was plain ugly
- sorry