how does one lie with a man as one does with a woman

[Khalid]

have you heard about the side effects of the surgery and the hormones by any chance

If any person has the will and motivation to change , he can stand the side effects . A cancer patient has no fault with the disease he has got in his body and he has to stand the side effects of the chemical treatment to get back to life . Also If he ask God help , God will never disappoint him , he is the most merciful and gracious . God knows everybody's experiences in life and he is the most wise and fair if you know .

then what are you doing in a philosophy forum

philosophy is not just asserting opinions, it requires justifying them

if you think that homosexuality is wrong then give us your reasons for thinking so

or maybe you can find yourself a nice small-minded fundie muslims forum

Alright , Homosexuality is so fuckin gay, disgusting , inhuman and unnatural (to me) . These are the simple reasons that I or anyone straight may have to tell .
Have you heard about the story of Lut prophet's people ?

We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?

81 . "For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."

82 . And his people gave no answer but this: they said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!"

They said drive them out they are men who want to be clean and pure . Don't you feel that impressive meaning . And in other verses God say that he has punished them all . Religious scientists say that God punished those people because homosexuality could have spread among the small numbers of people living in that time , and that could make a real risk on the future of mankind and it's reproduction . So this is why Homosexuality is forbidden by God cause it's unnatural , whether you like that or not . We were not created to have sex with the same gender by any mean . Where are your morals , self-respect and humanity in case you are one of them .

[Khalid]

dude animals have gay sex so there is nothing unnatural about it

Gonna make a google search on that .

[chaz wyman]

dude animals have gay sex so there is nothing unnatural about it

Gonna make a google search on that .

Save your time.
Try Bonobo; man's closest relative.

[Khalid]

dude animals have gay sex so there is nothing unnatural about it

Gonna make a google search on that .

Bonobo; man's closest relative.

Closest relative , it sounds funny . Adam and Eve are our parents .

[chaz wyman]

Bonobo; man's closest relative.

Closest relative , it sounds funny . Adam and Eve are our parents .

Don't be a fucking moron!

[Kayla]

If any person has the will and motivation to change , he can stand the side effects . A cancer patient has no fault with the disease he has got in his body and he has to stand the side effects of the chemical treatment to get back to life .

a cancer patient needs the treatment to stay alive

a person with ambiguous genitals can be perfectly healthy and be able to do a great many things which they might not be able to do as a result of surgery - there are always risks with surgery - or hormonal treatements

Alright , Homosexuality is so fuckin gay, disgusting , inhuman and unnatural (to me) .

yes and i dont like broccoli so what

if you dont like having sex with other guys well then dont have sex with other guys

i dont like brocolli i dont eat it

but if you think that homosexuality is wrong in general please provide your reasons rather than scripture quoting

Have you heard about the story of Lut prophet's people ?

We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?

81 . "For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."

he could not have been referring to homosexuality here as it predates him

Religious scientists say that God punished those people because homosexuality could have spread among the small numbers of people living in that time , and that could make a real risk on the future of mankind and it's reproduction

this makes no sense at all

the ancient greeks had no difficulty reproducing and they had no hangups about homosexuality

So this is why Homosexuality is forbidden by God cause it's unnatural

we already covered that

We were not created to have sex with the same gender by any mean

if that is true why is it easier for a girl to get off with another girl than with a guy

Where are your morals , self-respect and humanity in case you are one of them .

one of whom

there is nothing immoral about same-gender sex

if you disagree give us some rational reasons for your disagreement

[chaz wyman]

Alright , Homosexuality is so fuckin gay, disgusting , inhuman and unnatural (to me) .

If god created people, then he created gays. The problem is with you, and not god.

So this is why Homosexuality is forbidden by God cause it's unnatural

Clearly mohammed was also a closet queen just like you.
The problem has to be with his writings, not with the creation.
You are confused.

We were not created to have sex with the same gender by any mean

I have one son and have had sex thousands of times. I really do not think sex has got much to do with procreation.
If a man wants to stick his cock into another hole, be that a mouth or a backside I fail to see why that is a problem for you.
Are you also against masturbation and oral sex?

Where are your morals , self-respect and humanity in case you are one of them .

My sense of ethics outstrips yours by miles. How dare you tell others how to live?

This attitude of yours is exactly why religions like yours need to be discouraged.
Gays, jews and non muslims have been persecuted by people like you, and as far as I am concerned you have defined yourself as the enemy of truth, freedom and freethinking.

[Khalid]

My sense of ethics outstrips yours by miles.

Let me find a quick evidence !

Clearly mohammed was also a closet queen just like you.

Ahaa , now I see . That's too much insult to stand . You know something , I'd prefer you cursing me and my whole family on cursing the most honorable man ever lived on earth (Peace and blessings be upon him) .You don't have the basics of respecting others . Even if I disagree with others , I should never insult them in their faith .

[chaz wyman]

My sense of ethics outstrips yours by miles.

Let me find a quick evidence !

Clearly mohammed was also a closet queen just like you.

Ahaa , now I see . That's too much insult to stand . You know something , I'd prefer you cursing me and my whole family on cursing the most honorable man ever lived on earth (Peace and blessings be upon him) .You don't have the basics of respecting others . Even if I disagree with others , I should never insult them in their faith .

Mohammed was a sneaky evil little warmongering fuck-pig.
Let Allah strike me down!

But respect where it is deserved. When you stop telling other people how to live their life then I will give you the respect you deserve. But right now you have insulted the entire gay community my calling them unnatural, and your Muslim creed insults all other faiths.
So get off your high horse and stick your arse in the air - it time for your daily prayer!!

[Khalid]

My sense of ethics outstrips yours by miles.

Let me find a quick evidence !

Clearly mohammed was also a closet queen just like you.

Ahaa , now I see . That's too much insult to stand . You know something , I'd prefer you cursing me and my whole family on cursing the most honorable man ever lived on earth (Peace and blessings be upon him) .You don't have the basics of respecting others . Even if I disagree with others , I should never insult them in their faith .

Mohammed was a sneaky evil little warmongering fuck-pig.
Let Allah strike me down!

But respect where it is deserved. When you stop telling other people how to live their life then I will give you the respect you deserve. But right now you have insulted the entire gay community my calling them unnatural, and your Muslim creed insults all other faiths.
So get off your high horse and stick your arse in the air - it time for your daily prayer!!

Allah shall not strike you down now , you are nothing to him . But after you spend your last breaths in this short worldly life , you will find the shocking truth . LIFE IS NOT COINCIDENCE NOR MEANINGLESS . And the stupor of death will bring Truth (before your eyes): "This was the thing which you were trying to escape! you were heedless of this; now have We removed your veil, and sharp is your sight this Day!"
The judgement day is our date you arrogant bastard . Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it. And the Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers;- "Those who would hinder (men) from the path of Allah and would seek in it something crooked: they were those who denied the Hereafter.

[chaz wyman]

Ahaa , now I see . That's too much insult to stand . You know something , I'd prefer you cursing me and my whole family on cursing the most honorable man ever lived on earth (Peace and blessings be upon him) .You don't have the basics of respecting others . Even if I disagree with others , I should never insult them in their faith .

But respect where it is deserved. When you stop telling other people how to live their life then I will give you the respect you deserve. But right now you have insulted the entire gay community my calling them unnatural, and your Muslim creed insults all other faiths.
So get off your high horse and stick your arse in the air - it time for your daily prayer!!

Allah shall not strike you down now , you are nothing to him .

Ah what privalege to know the mind of God. You must feel really exhalted!!!

But after you spend your last breaths in this short worldly life , you will find the shocking truth . LIFE IS NOT COINCIDENCE NOR MEANINGLESS .

Your life is meaningless.

And the stupor of death will bring Truth (before your eyes): "This was the thing which you were trying to escape! you were heedless of this; now have We removed your veil, and sharp is your sight this Day!"
The judgement day is our date you arrogant bastard .

And you who know the mind of god - you are not arrogant!! You funny man.

Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it. And the Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers;- "Those who would hinder (men) from the path of Allah and would seek in it something crooked: they were those who denied the Hereafter.

It's a shame you are throwing your life away like this.
But I suppose it gives you a sense of power to know what God is thinking, and to harbour all that hate for so many people.
So fuck off and go and hate who you will. You are nothing to me, and your creed will die in the light of reason, either that or you will kill yourselves.

[Khalid]

Allah shall not strike you down now , you are nothing to him .

Ah what privalege to know the mind of God. You must feel really exhalted!!!

No I'm not exalted and I don't claim to know the mind of God but I stated two facts : 1- That you are nothing to him , you are just a tiny minded insect in his universe . 2- you are given the freedom of will in this life just like any other bug, even those who are more criminal than you .

Your life is meaningless.

And you who know the mind of god - you are not arrogant!! You funny man.

All what I wrote were Koranic words you idiot . I shall not have the right to speak on his behalf and say words or describe things he didn't say . your ignorance is more funny .

It's a shame you are throwing your life away like this.

All my whole entire life is from , by , to , for and completely owned by God , the most gracious and beauty creator .

But I suppose it gives you a sense of power to know what God is thinking, and to harbour all that hate for so many people.

I have no hate for anybody .. people like you shouldn't even speak about hate . You insulted me and my faith several times and I never insulted anybody here or anywhere . You don't know the word love . Prophet Muhammed taught us to be just and kind , and to feel the poor and hungry . Help the wayfarer and the orphan child . And to not be cruel and miserly, his speech was soft and gentle, like a mother stroking her child, his mercy and compassion, were most radiant when he smiled . Mercy upon mankind . The most honorable man ever lived .

So fuck off and go and hate who you will. You are nothing to me, and your creed will die in the light of reason, either that or you will kill yourselves.

I shall not kill myself that would be a big mistake and idiocy cause I don't own my life . If you are really certain of your reasons , you kill yourself .

[bobevenson]

See, I told you that Chaz is an idiot.

[Arising_uk]

How does this,

I swear all what I was personally grown up with and taught in school , from my parents and everywhere is to the good , be loving and tolerant .

I have no hate for anybody .. people like you shouldn't even speak about hate . You insulted me and my faith several times and I never insulted anybody here or anywhere . You don't know the word love . Prophet Muhammed taught us to be just and kind , and to feel the poor and hungry . Help the wayfarer and the orphan child . And to not be cruel and miserly, his speech was soft and gentle, like a mother stroking her child, his mercy and compassion, were most radiant when he smiled . Mercy upon mankind . The most honorable man ever lived .

Go with this?

I fuckin hate homosexuality to death

don't know what the word , is so fuckin gay, disgusting , inhuman and unnatural

Homosexuality is so fuckin gay, disgusting , inhuman and unnatural (to me)

Your 'prophet' appears to have a qualified kind of 'mercy and compassion'? So only towards those who believe as you do appears to be the rule of your thoughts Khalid.

You talk much about what your 'prophet' taught you but many many Muslims appear to not follow him, as they are killing Muslims and preaching hate, you included with your hate for those who are different from you sexually.

What matters it to you what the homosexual does? I think its because you are scared that its catching and I'm not surprised as in a culture like yours where women are pretty much excluded from public and male life I would suspect that homosexuality or at least pederasty is rife. I make a difference because the pederast is not the homosexual that we have in our society and is more likely to thrive in the type of patriarchal society you support. Whereas the homosexual must live in great fear in your world, I feel for them living with such close-minded bigotry that you portray.

[Arising_uk]

See, I told you that Chaz is an idiot.

Says another loony godbotherer.