The bunniverse
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tillingborn
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The bunniverse
There are lots of creation myths; traditionally the most popular have been those involving supernatural beings that either sprang from some primordial stuff or made everything themselves out of nothing. Of the ones that don't invoke gods some predicate an improbable confluence of unlikely events that went bang; or a set of eternal circumstances that came together because it was bound to happen sometime in forever. There is also the possibility raised by Bertrand Russell that the universe began five minutes beforehand complete with his memories and holey socks.
Whether it’s gods or coincidence there is an appeal to something that we cannot possibly prove; the gods refuse to participate in mortal experiments and beyond the Big Bang is simply too far for us to see. Russell's claim is on the face of it a bit of a laugh, but if we wind back the clock, be it by 5 minutes or anything less than 13.7 billion years, when the size of the universe was theoretically nil, however much smaller than it is now the universe had some size and it had some structure. Either we can squeeze the universe into nothingness or we have to assume some state akin to the holey sock scenario, in which there were pre-existing conditions, you know, branes. Or something.
Squeezing the universe into nothingness raises one of the oldest problems of philosophy, a version of Zeno’s Paradox. At issue is size, some may beg to differ, but I am content to believe that having no size, for a physical entity, is the same thing as not existing. In order for the universe to spring into existence it needed to start with some size and if Zeno were here, I am sure he would ask, why not half that size, or half of half, or half of half of half? To which I would say; Zeno, you have been dead for two and a half thousand years, let it go. With the other options the challenge is to explain where the different components came from; either they were always there or they just happened to pop into existence in a way that caused them to become the universe. Frankly, I wouldn't rule anything out. On the other hand I wouldn't rule anything in unless I had to; I would heed the advice of William of Ockham and not multiply entities beyond necessity.
Of all the theories about how life, the universe and everything came to be, the least cluttered is that the universe popped into existence as a really, really dense pimple of all the stuff we are aware of and perhaps a whole bunch of who knows what else. So squeezing the universe into nothingness it is.
There was nothing, Hey presto, then there wasn't, just like pulling a bunny out of a hat. Having said I wouldn’t rule anything out, it would be a surprise if the universe was a bunny, on the other hand, what if it were lots of bunnies? Imagine bunnies pouring out of the hat in every direction. To make matters worse, every bunny is wearing a hat, out of which is pouring more bunnies, wearing more hats and so on; it’s an explosion of bunnies.
If the universe popped out of nothing as a single field-like thingummy-jig, about the only thing we could say for certain is that it has a staggering capacity for expansion. Immediately after it kicked off any speck of such a proto universe would be indistinguishable from the original single field-like thingummy-jig, it too would be a tiny field-like thingummy-jig with a staggering capacity for expansion, as would any speck of it, and any speck of that and so on.
That though is a hypothetical universe, back to the actual bunniverse.
A feature of bunnies is that they can only run at forty mph, which for convenience we will refer to as b. And since in the bunniverse everything is made of bunnies, nothing can go faster than b. Think of a hat with bunnies running out of it; if the hat is stationary the bunnies are evenly distributed, a bunny-field with wave after wave of bunnies all running at b, shoulder to shoulder at the hat, more widely spread the further from it. However, if the hat is moving, the distribution of bunnies is distorted. At walking pace it won’t make a lot of difference, there will be a bit of bunching in the direction the hat is moving, in the wake the bunnies will be slightly spread out. At higher speeds though it becomes an issue, because the bunnies can’t get out of the way quick enough and it takes more effort to squeeze them together, until at b the bunnies can’t escape the hat at all. There is no force in the whole bunniverse powerful enough to make this happen, the speed of bunnies is impossible for anything but bunnies.
As it happens, the speed of 40mph is coincidental, in the bunniverse even the miles are made of bunnies, defined as 5280 bunnies per mile, and it is simpler to think in terms of bunnies per second; so b, 40mph, corresponds to 60bps near enough. Having said that, a second is defined by 60 bunnies passing; the result is that neither time nor distance are absolute. For example, to a hat travelling at close to b, the bunnies ahead are stacked up; at 60bps an approaching bunny covers much less ‘absolute’ distance. Behind the hat the bunnies are stretched out and a bunny approaching at 60bps from this direction appears to cover much more ‘absolute’ distance. In either case, the ‘absolute’ time the bunnies take to arrive at the hat is much longer. To the hat it doesn’t make any difference; the bunnies arrive at 60 bunnies per second, a second is the time it takes 60 bunnies to arrive and a mile is 5280 bunnies nose to tail.
After the great bunny explosion, when bunnies were proliferating as only bunnies can, the bunny fields around the hats were gruesomely distorted by the colossal pressure of bunnies. As a result the hats are tumbling and turning chaotically, a bit like a variety pack of Catherine Wheels somebody threw a match into. At the head of a tumbling hats bunny field the bunnies are closer together and another hat passing through the field at 60bps will be drawn closer in absolute terms. If the two hat’s angular momentum caused by their tumbling is greater than the repulsive force of loads of bunnies they will settle into an orbit, creating a bunny particle. Since there are hats involved a bunny particle cannot travel at b. A virtual bunny particle, on the other hand, is a pulse of bunnies a bit like a sound wave, caused in much the same percussive way wherever lots of hats are clattering about. Most are little more than ripples, but a sufficiently forceful event will cause a bunny pulse with enough energy to penetrate the bunny field of bunny particles.
Warning: the bunniverse should not be confused with the buniverse, which is made entirely of buns.
Whether it’s gods or coincidence there is an appeal to something that we cannot possibly prove; the gods refuse to participate in mortal experiments and beyond the Big Bang is simply too far for us to see. Russell's claim is on the face of it a bit of a laugh, but if we wind back the clock, be it by 5 minutes or anything less than 13.7 billion years, when the size of the universe was theoretically nil, however much smaller than it is now the universe had some size and it had some structure. Either we can squeeze the universe into nothingness or we have to assume some state akin to the holey sock scenario, in which there were pre-existing conditions, you know, branes. Or something.
Squeezing the universe into nothingness raises one of the oldest problems of philosophy, a version of Zeno’s Paradox. At issue is size, some may beg to differ, but I am content to believe that having no size, for a physical entity, is the same thing as not existing. In order for the universe to spring into existence it needed to start with some size and if Zeno were here, I am sure he would ask, why not half that size, or half of half, or half of half of half? To which I would say; Zeno, you have been dead for two and a half thousand years, let it go. With the other options the challenge is to explain where the different components came from; either they were always there or they just happened to pop into existence in a way that caused them to become the universe. Frankly, I wouldn't rule anything out. On the other hand I wouldn't rule anything in unless I had to; I would heed the advice of William of Ockham and not multiply entities beyond necessity.
Of all the theories about how life, the universe and everything came to be, the least cluttered is that the universe popped into existence as a really, really dense pimple of all the stuff we are aware of and perhaps a whole bunch of who knows what else. So squeezing the universe into nothingness it is.
There was nothing, Hey presto, then there wasn't, just like pulling a bunny out of a hat. Having said I wouldn’t rule anything out, it would be a surprise if the universe was a bunny, on the other hand, what if it were lots of bunnies? Imagine bunnies pouring out of the hat in every direction. To make matters worse, every bunny is wearing a hat, out of which is pouring more bunnies, wearing more hats and so on; it’s an explosion of bunnies.
If the universe popped out of nothing as a single field-like thingummy-jig, about the only thing we could say for certain is that it has a staggering capacity for expansion. Immediately after it kicked off any speck of such a proto universe would be indistinguishable from the original single field-like thingummy-jig, it too would be a tiny field-like thingummy-jig with a staggering capacity for expansion, as would any speck of it, and any speck of that and so on.
That though is a hypothetical universe, back to the actual bunniverse.
A feature of bunnies is that they can only run at forty mph, which for convenience we will refer to as b. And since in the bunniverse everything is made of bunnies, nothing can go faster than b. Think of a hat with bunnies running out of it; if the hat is stationary the bunnies are evenly distributed, a bunny-field with wave after wave of bunnies all running at b, shoulder to shoulder at the hat, more widely spread the further from it. However, if the hat is moving, the distribution of bunnies is distorted. At walking pace it won’t make a lot of difference, there will be a bit of bunching in the direction the hat is moving, in the wake the bunnies will be slightly spread out. At higher speeds though it becomes an issue, because the bunnies can’t get out of the way quick enough and it takes more effort to squeeze them together, until at b the bunnies can’t escape the hat at all. There is no force in the whole bunniverse powerful enough to make this happen, the speed of bunnies is impossible for anything but bunnies.
As it happens, the speed of 40mph is coincidental, in the bunniverse even the miles are made of bunnies, defined as 5280 bunnies per mile, and it is simpler to think in terms of bunnies per second; so b, 40mph, corresponds to 60bps near enough. Having said that, a second is defined by 60 bunnies passing; the result is that neither time nor distance are absolute. For example, to a hat travelling at close to b, the bunnies ahead are stacked up; at 60bps an approaching bunny covers much less ‘absolute’ distance. Behind the hat the bunnies are stretched out and a bunny approaching at 60bps from this direction appears to cover much more ‘absolute’ distance. In either case, the ‘absolute’ time the bunnies take to arrive at the hat is much longer. To the hat it doesn’t make any difference; the bunnies arrive at 60 bunnies per second, a second is the time it takes 60 bunnies to arrive and a mile is 5280 bunnies nose to tail.
After the great bunny explosion, when bunnies were proliferating as only bunnies can, the bunny fields around the hats were gruesomely distorted by the colossal pressure of bunnies. As a result the hats are tumbling and turning chaotically, a bit like a variety pack of Catherine Wheels somebody threw a match into. At the head of a tumbling hats bunny field the bunnies are closer together and another hat passing through the field at 60bps will be drawn closer in absolute terms. If the two hat’s angular momentum caused by their tumbling is greater than the repulsive force of loads of bunnies they will settle into an orbit, creating a bunny particle. Since there are hats involved a bunny particle cannot travel at b. A virtual bunny particle, on the other hand, is a pulse of bunnies a bit like a sound wave, caused in much the same percussive way wherever lots of hats are clattering about. Most are little more than ripples, but a sufficiently forceful event will cause a bunny pulse with enough energy to penetrate the bunny field of bunny particles.
Warning: the bunniverse should not be confused with the buniverse, which is made entirely of buns.
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chaz wyman
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Re: The bunniverse
tillingborn wrote:There are lots of creation myths; traditionally the most popular have been those involving supernatural beings that either sprang from some primordial stuff or made everything themselves out of nothing. Of the ones that don't invoke gods some predicate an improbable confluence of unlikely events that went bang; or a set of eternal circumstances that came together because it was bound to happen sometime in forever. There is also the possibility raised by Bertrand Russell that the universe began five minutes beforehand complete with his memories and holey socks.
The paradox of a creator invented to explain creation is self defeating. Look at all this stuff- it must have been created as it could not have arrived without design. But is not a creator even more wondrous and incredible? Surely a thing that creates has to be better and more remarkable than the thing s/he creates? How much more ridiculous , then, is it to suggest that such a being came about spontaneously?
Who created god?
Whether it’s gods or coincidence there is an appeal to something that we cannot possibly prove; the gods refuse to participate in mortal experiments and beyond the Big Bang is simply too far for us to see. Russell's claim is on the face of it a bit of a laugh, but if we wind back the clock, be it by 5 minutes or anything less than 13.7 billion years, when the size of the universe was theoretically nil, however much smaller than it is now the universe had some size and it had some structure. Either we can squeeze the universe into nothingness or we have to assume some state akin to the holey sock scenario, in which there were pre-existing conditions, you know, branes. Or something.
The thing about Russel's claim is that he is not actually making it. He is making a parody of the Garden of Eden story. Take a look inside a tree in the garden of Eden and in the rocks under their feet - what you find is tree rings and fossils - evidence of a past but created in a day by the ultimate being.
Squeezing the universe into nothingness raises one of the oldest problems of philosophy, a version of Zeno’s Paradox. At issue is size, some may beg to differ, but I am content to believe that having no size, for a physical entity, is the same thing as not existing. In order for the universe to spring into existence it needed to start with some size and if Zeno were here, I am sure he would ask, why not half that size, or half of half, or half of half of half? To which I would say; Zeno, you have been dead for two and a half thousand years, let it go. With the other options the challenge is to explain where the different components came from; either they were always there or they just happened to pop into existence in a way that caused them to become the universe. Frankly, I wouldn't rule anything out. On the other hand I wouldn't rule anything in unless I had to; I would heed the advice of William of Ockham and not multiply entities beyond necessity.
We will never know what preceded the Big Bang, if such a thing is possible it is neither imaginable not conceivable. But one thing is for sure - we can never know what was the cause of it. Nor can we even be sure that the BB is true. The history of science is littered with the failed cosmologies of the past, with each new one explaining such phenomena as are apparent or seem most important. The BB still fails on one or two issues and there is still much to uncover. I think we can probably dismiss the 'universe emerged from the the mind of a being' hypothesis as having no evidence.
Of all the theories about how life, the universe and everything came to be, the least cluttered is that the universe popped into existence as a really, really dense pimple of all the stuff we are aware of and perhaps a whole bunch of who knows what else. So squeezing the universe into nothingness it is.
Or not - where is the dark matter?
There was nothing, Hey presto, then there wasn't, just like pulling a bunny out of a hat. Having said I wouldn’t rule anything out, it would be a surprise if the universe was a bunny, on the other hand, what if it were lots of bunnies? Imagine bunnies pouring out of the hat in every direction. To make matters worse, every bunny is wearing a hat, out of which is pouring more bunnies, wearing more hats and so on; it’s an explosion of bunnies.
Probably better than an infinitude of creators and creators of creators.
If the universe popped out of nothing as a single field-like thingummy-jig, about the only thing we could say for certain is that it has a staggering capacity for expansion. Immediately after it kicked off any speck of such a proto universe would be indistinguishable from the original single field-like thingummy-jig, it too would be a tiny field-like thingummy-jig with a staggering capacity for expansion, as would any speck of it, and any speck of that and so on.
That though is a hypothetical universe, back to the actual bunniverse.
A feature of bunnies is that they can only run at forty mph, which for convenience we will refer to as b. And since in the bunniverse everything is made of bunnies, nothing can go faster than b. Think of a hat with bunnies running out of it; if the hat is stationary the bunnies are evenly distributed, a bunny-field with wave after wave of bunnies all running at b, shoulder to shoulder at the hat, more widely spread the further from it. However, if the hat is moving, the distribution of bunnies is distorted. At walking pace it won’t make a lot of difference, there will be a bit of bunching in the direction the hat is moving, in the wake the bunnies will be slightly spread out. At higher speeds though it becomes an issue, because the bunnies can’t get out of the way quick enough and it takes more effort to squeeze them together, until at b the bunnies can’t escape the hat at all. There is no force in the whole bunniverse powerful enough to make this happen, the speed of bunnies is impossible for anything but bunnies.
Bunnies can sprint at 40mph - usually enough for most predators. Human invent the .22 rifle and find that running is now not an adaptation that is required for rabbit stew.
As it happens, the speed of 40mph is coincidental, in the bunniverse even the miles are made of bunnies, defined as 5280 bunnies per mile, and it is simpler to think in terms of bunnies per second; so b, 40mph, corresponds to 60bps near enough. Having said that, a second is defined by 60 bunnies passing; the result is that neither time nor distance are absolute. For example, to a hat travelling at close to b, the bunnies ahead are stacked up; at 60bps an approaching bunny covers much less ‘absolute’ distance. Behind the hat the bunnies are stretched out and a bunny approaching at 60bps from this direction appears to cover much more ‘absolute’ distance. In either case, the ‘absolute’ time the bunnies take to arrive at the hat is much longer. To the hat it doesn’t make any difference; the bunnies arrive at 60 bunnies per second, a second is the time it takes 60 bunnies to arrive and a mile is 5280 bunnies nose to tail.
After the great bunny explosion, when bunnies were proliferating as only bunnies can, the bunny fields around the hats were gruesomely distorted by the colossal pressure of bunnies. As a result the hats are tumbling and turning chaotically, a bit like a variety pack of Catherine Wheels somebody threw a match into. At the head of a tumbling hats bunny field the bunnies are closer together and another hat passing through the field at 60bps will be drawn closer in absolute terms. If the two hat’s angular momentum caused by their tumbling is greater than the repulsive force of loads of bunnies they will settle into an orbit, creating a bunny particle. Since there are hats involved a bunny particle cannot travel at b. A virtual bunny particle, on the other hand, is a pulse of bunnies a bit like a sound wave, caused in much the same percussive way wherever lots of hats are clattering about. Most are little more than ripples, but a sufficiently forceful event will cause a bunny pulse with enough energy to penetrate the bunny field of bunny particles.
Warning: the bunniverse should not be confused with the buniverse, which is made entirely of buns.
Actually there is a current theory that the universe is in the shape of a toroid. That is a dough-nought; donought, doughnut, to you; donut if you are American. Though it is current is contains no raisons for its existence. The raison e'etre is so that when you get to the end of the donut-verse you are back at the beginning.
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Mike Strand
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Re: The bunniverse
The idea of a toroidal universe might be combined with that of a "buniverse" to derive the belief that god has made a big donut and intends to eat it as soon as it's fully "cooked".
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marjoramblues
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Re: The bunniverse
Tillingborn: I would heed the advice of William of Ockham and not multiply entities beyond necessity.
But that is whot bunnies will do - who needs 'em ?
Taking Bill's razor, let's slip-slide straight to the buzziness of the hunniverse:
It's a very funny thought that, if Bears were Bees,
They'd build their nests at the bottom of trees.
And that being so (if the Bees were Bears),
We shouldn't have to climb up all these stairs.
from the Very Thoughtful Winnie-the-Pooh
Hats off to the Bunniful Yumminess of the Converse...hip, hip...
In the beginning was the word...
But that is whot bunnies will do - who needs 'em ?
Taking Bill's razor, let's slip-slide straight to the buzziness of the hunniverse:
It's a very funny thought that, if Bears were Bees,
They'd build their nests at the bottom of trees.
And that being so (if the Bees were Bears),
We shouldn't have to climb up all these stairs.
from the Very Thoughtful Winnie-the-Pooh
Hats off to the Bunniful Yumminess of the Converse...hip, hip...
In the beginning was the word...
Re: The bunniverse
The common cormorant, or shag,
lays eggs inside a paper bag.
the reason you can see, no doubt.
It is, to keep the lightning out.
But what these unobservant birds
have never noticed is, that herds
of wand'ring bears might come, with buns,
and steal the bags, to keep the crumbs.
lays eggs inside a paper bag.
the reason you can see, no doubt.
It is, to keep the lightning out.
But what these unobservant birds
have never noticed is, that herds
of wand'ring bears might come, with buns,
and steal the bags, to keep the crumbs.
Re: The bunniverse
chaz wyman wrote: Actually there is a current theory that the universe is in the shape of a toroid. That is a dough-nought; donought, doughnut, to you; donut if you are American. Though it is current is contains no raisons for its existence. The raison e'etre is so that when you get to the end of the donut-verse you are back at the beginning.
If it's a toroid shape doughnut, that means the universe won't have any jam in it. But I suppose it does answer the question, "who took the jam out of your doughnut?". The creator of the universe did.
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chaz wyman
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Re: The bunniverse
Just look for the icing man!Grendel wrote:chaz wyman wrote: Actually there is a current theory that the universe is in the shape of a toroid. That is a dough-nought; donought, doughnut, to you; donut if you are American. Though it is current is contains no raisons for its existence. The raison e'etre is so that when you get to the end of the donut-verse you are back at the beginning.
If it's a toroid shape doughnut, that means the universe won't have any jam in it. But I suppose it does answer the question, "who took the jam out of your doughnut?". The creator of the universe did.
And it all those speckly 'hundreds n thousands' on the surface that would be worth spending money on the space race.
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tillingborn
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Re: The bunniverse
Chaz
I agree with nearly all your comments, but I am not sure why events prior to a Bing Bang should be inconceivable. Nor would I call the bunniverse a cosmology, it is simply a model based on one interpretation of a presumed Big Bang that doesn’t try to conceive what you claim is inconceivable. I concede that I have tried to make it fit, as you say ‘such phenomena as are apparent or seem most important’. It seemed like a good place to start.
You ask ‘where is the dark matter?’ The point about dark matter, as I understand it, is that in our universe the visible matter would not create enough gravity to stop galaxies flying apart. What then stops bunny galaxies flying apart? I think vast quantities of bunnies behave like an idealised gas, where they are condensed it is in effect a more viscous medium. (In terms of bunnies the tighter the bunny field the more a bunny passing through at 60bps is drawn in.) Essentially the path is refracted. Any condensation adds to this effect, including all the virtual bunny particles, photons and neutrinos in this universe. Because it is caused by lots of bunnies (mass), gravity is a far reaching, but still localised effect. At a sufficient distance the attraction of refraction is outweighed by the push of bunnies, which is dark energy in case you were wondering. It’s ad hoc I know, but I’m not pretending to be a scientist.
Also going into space for hundreds and thousands is a waste of money. Not so flaked almonds.
I agree with nearly all your comments, but I am not sure why events prior to a Bing Bang should be inconceivable. Nor would I call the bunniverse a cosmology, it is simply a model based on one interpretation of a presumed Big Bang that doesn’t try to conceive what you claim is inconceivable. I concede that I have tried to make it fit, as you say ‘such phenomena as are apparent or seem most important’. It seemed like a good place to start.
You ask ‘where is the dark matter?’ The point about dark matter, as I understand it, is that in our universe the visible matter would not create enough gravity to stop galaxies flying apart. What then stops bunny galaxies flying apart? I think vast quantities of bunnies behave like an idealised gas, where they are condensed it is in effect a more viscous medium. (In terms of bunnies the tighter the bunny field the more a bunny passing through at 60bps is drawn in.) Essentially the path is refracted. Any condensation adds to this effect, including all the virtual bunny particles, photons and neutrinos in this universe. Because it is caused by lots of bunnies (mass), gravity is a far reaching, but still localised effect. At a sufficient distance the attraction of refraction is outweighed by the push of bunnies, which is dark energy in case you were wondering. It’s ad hoc I know, but I’m not pretending to be a scientist.
Also going into space for hundreds and thousands is a waste of money. Not so flaked almonds.
Re: The bunniverse
But what happens to all the poo?
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chaz wyman
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Re: The bunniverse
The thing about 'hundreds and thousands' is tha you get more for your money!!!tillingborn wrote:Chaz
I agree with nearly all your comments, but I am not sure why events prior to a Bing Bang should be inconceivable. Nor would I call the bunniverse a cosmology, it is simply a model based on one interpretation of a presumed Big Bang that doesn’t try to conceive what you claim is inconceivable. I concede that I have tried to make it fit, as you say ‘such phenomena as are apparent or seem most important’. It seemed like a good place to start.
You ask ‘where is the dark matter?’ The point about dark matter, as I understand it, is that in our universe the visible matter would not create enough gravity to stop galaxies flying apart. What then stops bunny galaxies flying apart? I think vast quantities of bunnies behave like an idealised gas, where they are condensed it is in effect a more viscous medium. (In terms of bunnies the tighter the bunny field the more a bunny passing through at 60bps is drawn in.) Essentially the path is refracted. Any condensation adds to this effect, including all the virtual bunny particles, photons and neutrinos in this universe. Because it is caused by lots of bunnies (mass), gravity is a far reaching, but still localised effect. At a sufficient distance the attraction of refraction is outweighed by the push of bunnies, which is dark energy in case you were wondering. It’s ad hoc I know, but I’m not pretending to be a scientist.
Also going into space for hundreds and thousands is a waste of money. Not so flaked almonds.

The only question remains; do the hundreds and thousands go all the way round?
Everett's many worlds hypothesis.

SEEING IS BELIEVING!!!
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chaz wyman
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Re: The bunniverse
The bunnies eat it all at night time.Thundril wrote:But what happens to all the poo?
" rabbits, hamsters and other related species do not have a complex ruminant digestive system. Instead they are hindgut fermenters that digest cellulose via microbial fermentation. In addition, they extract further nutrition from grass by giving their food a second pass through the gut. Soft fecal pellets of partially digested food are excreted and generally consumed immediately.
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