how does one lie with a man as one does with a woman

[Khalid]

Who's defending Israel?
Do I think the establishment of Israel was sensitive to the ethnic groups in Palestine; no.
Do I think there was the slightest legal justification for the establishment of Israel; no.
Do I think it was a good idea; no.
Do I think the US is using it as a military base in the ME; yes.
Do I think together they form a Judeo-Christian nexus of power to ensure instability in the region; yes.

Alright , that was kinda fair .

Would I prefer to let Islam take control and force their religion down everyones throat ; fuck no.

Do I want Khalid and his morons to be in control fuck no.

Do I think that there is a solution that would solve all the problems of the ME; no.

Oh wait - there is one I can think of; four 100 megatonne nuclear devices on Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Meccah and Tehran - that should sort things out.

I understand that you completely tend to and believe in secularism and atheism ... and this is your main problem with Islam specifically .. because you see muslims as very religious or people who strongely adheres to their religion to a point which you see as exterimism and this why you refuse Islam to take control because you fear them force their extreme religion on people (the same funny joke of mainstream western media) .. Alright , anyway why don't you see Israel and Israelis as pro-religion extermists too ? They have constructed a nation based on religion !! .. they named their country after a prophet's name . Imagine an Arab country changing it's name into "Muhammadist" , how would you see that ? . and their flag carries religious symbol of Dawod prophet's star , and they discriminate non Jews in their country , and they turn Jerusalem into a Jewish city , and people there from time to time break into Al Aqsa mosque that is very holly to muslims (Where is respect of other peoples' faith?) , and they make excavations around it which may cause it's collapse and they build new settlements every single day , and they have imperialistic dreams , what about their colonialist attempts in the past?

[Kayla]

I understand that you completely tend to and believe in secularism and atheism

secularism and atheism are different things

i am not an atheist

i am in secularist in that i do not want a religious state whether christian or otherwise

so it is not enough to be very religious to be an extremist

you also have to want to shove your religion down other peoples' throats

so if you religion forbids you do gay marry by all means do not gay marry

if you religion forbids alcohol then do not drink alcohol

if you religion requires you to pray thats ok but do not make other people pray

if it forbids fornication well not having sex is not that difficult

if it forbids you reading some books well do not read them

but if a very religious person wants to impose those things on others that marks an extremist

Alright , why don't you see Israel and Israelis as pro-religion extermists too ?

khalid are you cute

are hope you are cute because you are dumber than a sack of mice

and being ugly and stupid is too much of a burden and i hope god has not imposed on you a burden greater than you can bear

you would have to be pretty dense to not notice that a lot of people here are as unkind to zionism as they are to fundamentalist islam

[Khalid]

secularism and atheism are different things

i am not an atheist

i am in secularist in that i do not want a religious state whether christian or otherwise

so it is not enough to be very religious to be an extremist

you also have to want to shove your religion down other peoples' throats

so if you religion forbids you do gay marry by all means do not gay marry

if you religion forbids alcohol then do not drink alcohol

if you religion requires you to pray thats ok but do not make other people pray

if it forbids fornication well not having sex is not that difficult

if it forbids you reading some books well do not read them

but if a very religious person wants to impose those things on others that marks an extremist

Alright , here I can respect your secular trends . I like Liberalism too by the way but not with unlimited freedom . I mean I wish my country be a liberal country (where not to force religion on people , not to force them pray and not to force people stop drinking alcohol by law) , we have to let people follow or not follow rules of religion with freedom . But if we come to something like homosexuality , I don't wish giving people here in my country the legal freedom to do it by any mean . I don't care if I will be called extreme or fundamentalist . I fuckin hate homosexuality to death . Also something like making porn movie , it's something very inhuman and very disgusting (to me) .

khalid are you cute

are hope you are cute because you are dumber than a sack of mice

and being ugly and stupid is too much of a burden and i hope god has not imposed on you a burden greater than you can bear

you would have to be pretty dense to not notice that a lot of people here are as unkind to zionism as they are to fundamentalist islam

Don't know , many people say that I'm cute . And I'm trying to remember a comment referring to your refuse to Zionism but I can't remember . Anyway I got it now .

[chaz wyman]

Who's defending Israel?
Do I think the establishment of Israel was sensitive to the ethnic groups in Palestine; no.
Do I think there was the slightest legal justification for the establishment of Israel; no.
Do I think it was a good idea; no.
Do I think the US is using it as a military base in the ME; yes.
Do I think together they form a Judeo-Christian nexus of power to ensure instability in the region; yes.

Alright , that was kinda fair .

Would I prefer to let Islam take control and force their religion down everyones throat ; fuck no.

Do I want Khalid and his morons to be in control fuck no.

Do I think that there is a solution that would solve all the problems of the ME; no.

Oh wait - there is one I can think of; four 100 megatonne nuclear devices on Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Meccah and Tehran - that should sort things out.

I understand that you completely tend to and believe in secularism and atheism ... and this is your main problem with Islam specifically .. because you see muslims as very religious or people who strongely adheres to their religion to a point which you see as exterimism and this why you refuse Islam to take control because you fear them force their extreme religion on people (the same funny joke of mainstream western media) .. Alright , anyway why don't you see Israel and Israelis as pro-religion extermists too ? They have constructed a nation based on religion !! .

What part of "Do I think there was the slightest legal justification for the establishment of Israel; no." did you not understand?

. they named their country after a prophet's name . Imagine an Arab country changing it's name into "Muhammadist" , how would you see that ? . and their flag carries religious symbol of Dawod prophet's star , and they discriminate non Jews in their country , and they turn Jerusalem into a Jewish city , and people there from time to time break into Al Aqsa mosque that is very holly to muslims (Where is respect of other peoples' faith?) , and they make excavations around it which may cause it's collapse and they build new settlements every single day , and they have imperialistic dreams , what about their colonialist attempts in the past?

All true. But you are hardly in a position to criticise Israel are you??

[Khalid]

Who's defending Israel?
Do I think the establishment of Israel was sensitive to the ethnic groups in Palestine; no.
Do I think there was the slightest legal justification for the establishment of Israel; no.
Do I think it was a good idea; no.
Do I think the US is using it as a military base in the ME; yes.
Do I think together they form a Judeo-Christian nexus of power to ensure instability in the region; yes.

Alright , that was kinda fair .

Would I prefer to let Islam take control and force their religion down everyones throat ; fuck no.

Do I want Khalid and his morons to be in control fuck no.

Do I think that there is a solution that would solve all the problems of the ME; no.

Oh wait - there is one I can think of; four 100 megatonne nuclear devices on Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Meccah and Tehran - that should sort things out.

I understand that you completely tend to and believe in secularism and atheism ... and this is your main problem with Islam specifically .. because you see muslims as very religious or people who strongely adheres to their religion to a point which you see as exterimism and this why you refuse Islam to take control because you fear them force their extreme religion on people (the same funny joke of mainstream western media) .. Alright , anyway why don't you see Israel and Israelis as pro-religion extermists too ? They have constructed a nation based on religion !! .

What part of "Do I think there was the slightest legal justification for the establishment of Israel; no." did you not understand?

. they named their country after a prophet's name . Imagine an Arab country changing it's name into "Muhammadist" , how would you see that ? . and their flag carries religious symbol of Dawod prophet's star , and they discriminate non Jews in their country , and they turn Jerusalem into a Jewish city , and people there from time to time break into Al Aqsa mosque that is very holly to muslims (Where is respect of other peoples' faith?) , and they make excavations around it which may cause it's collapse and they build new settlements every single day , and they have imperialistic dreams , what about their colonialist attempts in the past?

All true. But you are hardly in a position to criticise Israel are you??

You are right , sad to say many ignorant muslims have tainted our picture and made us look cheap second-class human beings . Arab oppressive leaders who kill their peoples have done so , the crazy terrorists who consider themselves to be defenders of Islam and others have done so . But what can I say , I swear all what I was personally grown up with and taught in school , from my parents and everywhere is to the good , be loving and tolerant . And we start our prayers with "In the name of God the most gracious and merciful" , 5 time a day . That all I know .

[chaz wyman]

You are right , sad to say many ignorant muslims have tainted our picture and made us look cheap second-class human beings . Arab oppressive leaders who kill their peoples have done so , the crazy terrorists who consider themselves to be defenders of Islam and others have done so . But what can I say , I swear all what I was personally grown up with and taught in school , from my parents and everywhere is to the good , be loving and tolerant . And we start our prayers with "In the name of God the most gracious and merciful" , 5 time a day . That all I know .

In other words you know nothing. Five times a day you leave your reason by the door - stick your arse in the air and get figuratively fucked in the but hole by Allah. You assume the position of slave and that is why you think that way.
This makes religious people the willing recipients of all the bullshit that the priest, vicar, or imam will spew into their ears.
Religion is no way to run a life, let alone ran a country.

[Khalid]

In other words you know nothing. Five times a day you leave your reason by the door - stick
your arse in the air and get figuratively fucked in the but hole by Allah.

Man , how can you speak this way about the creator ? How can you speak this way about who created you out of a sperm-drop, then fashioned you into a man? . What if the billions who believe in his existence were right , how are you gonna meat him after pushing the buttons of keyboard and writing something like that ? That's regrettable ! Your mental arrogance is really regrettable .

This makes religious people the willing recipients of all the bullshit that the priest, vicar, or imam will spew into their ears.
Religion is no way to run a life, let alone ran a country.

Don't worry , I have a reasoning mind and never gonna follow anyone on earth who claim to be the official representative of God like cattle .

[Kayla]

Alright , here I can respect your secular trends . I like Liberalism too by the way but not with unlimited freedom .

well that is an interesting philosophical question what are the appropriate limits to freedom

i think the most promising approach is allowing as much freedom to everyone that would allow greatest freedom for others

so having the freedom of stabbing people to death at random would not work - it would reduce the freedom of others

but allowing me to sleep with another girl should i feel so inclined does not interfere with any freedoms of others so society has no business getting involved

then there is the issue of the cost of enforcement

But if we come to something like homosexuality , I don't wish giving people here in my country the legal freedom to do it by any mean . I don't care if I will be called extreme or fundamentalist

why do you think society should have the right to interfere with people who want to have same-gender sex

this is after all a philosophy forum so when you express such views you should try to justify them

I fuckin hate homosexuality to death .

oh puh-fucking-leeze, you would love to watch two girls making out

its just that guys together gross you out you hypocrite

but that aside what are your justification for this

yes you were brought up in a conservative society but that is no argument

Also something like making porn movie , it's something very inhuman and very disgusting (to me) .

then do not watch porn

but why do you think the state should have the right to prevent others from watching porn

Don't know , many people say that I'm cute . And I'm trying to remember a comment referring to your refuse to Zionism but I can't remember . Anyway I got it now .

i am more "pro-israeli' than chaz and many others but my point was that your 'why are yu all supporting israel' question was rather dense given how many people here do not support israel

plenty of people have a problem with both israel and fundamentalist islam

[chaz wyman]

In other words you know nothing. Five times a day you leave your reason by the door - stick
your arse in the air and get figuratively fucked in the but hole by Allah.

Man , how can you speak this way about the creator ?

Because he does not exist you nut-job.

How can you speak this way about who created you out of a sperm-drop, then fashioned you into a man? . What if the billions who believe in his existence were right , how are you gonna meat him after pushing the buttons of keyboard and writing something like that ? That's regrettable ! Your mental arrogance is really regrettable .

None of those billions believe the same thing. None of them have a coherent picture of a creator. The notion is self-contradictory and basically stupid.
Your mental lameness is very regrettable.

This makes religious people the willing recipients of all the bullshit that the priest, vicar, or imam will spew into their ears.
Religion is no way to run a life, let alone ran a country.

Don't worry , I have a reasoning mind and never gonna follow anyone on earth who claim to be the official representative of God like cattle .

No - you are much more like a sheep. All I hear from you is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

[SpheresOfBalance]

secularism and atheism are different things

i am not an atheist

i am in secularist in that i do not want a religious state whether christian or otherwise

so it is not enough to be very religious to be an extremist

you also have to want to shove your religion down other peoples' throats

so if you religion forbids you do gay marry by all means do not gay marry

if you religion forbids alcohol then do not drink alcohol

if you religion requires you to pray thats ok but do not make other people pray

if it forbids fornication well not having sex is not that difficult

if it forbids you reading some books well do not read them

but if a very religious person wants to impose those things on others that marks an extremist

Alright , here I can respect your secular trends . I like Liberalism too by the way but not with unlimited freedom . I mean I wish my country be a liberal country (where not to force religion on people , not to force them pray and not to force people stop drinking alcohol by law) , we have to let people follow or not follow rules of religion with freedom . But if we come to something like homosexuality , I don't wish giving people here in my country the legal freedom to do it by any mean . I don't care if I will be called extreme or fundamentalist . I fuckin hate homosexuality to death . Also something like making porn movie , it's something very inhuman and very disgusting (to me) .
God, are you some kind of dimwit? Do you actually think that in all cases it's a choice? Do you even know what I hermaphrodite is? It would seem that ignorance runs rampant in some cultures. Before making decisions as to any particular subject, I'd suggest getting all the facts first! Are you responsible for being brain dead? Should you then be stoned to death? As if so, in my realm of wisdom, you'd be at the bottom of a quarry!

khalid are you cute

are hope you are cute because you are dumber than a sack of mice

and being ugly and stupid is too much of a burden and i hope god has not imposed on you a burden greater than you can bear

you would have to be pretty dense to not notice that a lot of people here are as unkind to zionism as they are to fundamentalist islam

Don't know , many people say that I'm cute . And I'm trying to remember a comment referring to your refuse to Zionism but I can't remember . Anyway I got it now .

Edit: wrong word in haste.

[John]

I fuckin hate homosexuality to death.

I'm tempted to ask which part of the experience you didn't enjoy but I'll just ask whether you really meant that you hate homosexuals to death?

[Khalid]

well that is an interesting philosophical question what are the appropriate limits to freedom

i think the most promising approach is allowing as much freedom to everyone that would allow greatest freedom for others

so having the freedom of stabbing people to death at random would not work - it would reduce the freedom of others

but allowing me to sleep with another girl should i feel so inclined does not interfere with any freedoms of others so society has no business getting involved

then there is the issue of the cost of enforcement

It depends on the nature of the society , if I'm gonna form the law of my country , I'm gonna consider these things when forming it . The culture of our eastern society , the nature of our people and to what degree the majority of people are religious or influenced by religion . Egyptian people are religious . So allowing sex with same-gender by law can never be accepted here by any mean whatever I keep trying to do it . And even non-religious people here still have that eastern tendency .

why do you think society should have the right to interfere with people who want to have same-gender sex

this is after all a philosophy forum so when you express such views you should try to justify them

Alright , again we are eastern people . This freedom can be accepted in your society but not here . You have a new western religion includes messages of materialism , secularism and atheism .Where God is called PLEASURE , like the slogan of beer advertisement for example (You live once) , a deep materialistic message just like saying (don't worry be happy) , go shopping , have sex as much as possible , drink , laugh , scream cause you live once so don't let yourself miss anything .. Your god is pleasure .. No morals and no purpose of life .. This is the new religion of the west and it completely differs from ours . We fear Allah and we believe in the judgement day , do you know why I feel the end of the world is near , cause corruption has filled the earth and everywhere . A person who has moral and politeness looks funny today .

oh puh-fucking-leeze, you would love to watch two girls making out

its just that guys together gross you out you hypocrite

but that aside what are your justification for this

yes you were brought up in a conservative society but that is no argument

My justification is : 1- My morals 2-The desire to not lose my feeling of humanity and self-respect ... And by the way I never watch lesbian videos .

then do not watch porn

but why do you think the state should have the right to prevent others from watching porn

There is no longer need to change the new western religion in your states , it's impossible and too late to do that now but I wish the west stop telling us how life and society should be .

[Khalid]

Because he does not exist you nut-job.

None of those billions believe the same thing. None of them have a coherent picture of a creator. The notion is self-contradictory and basically stupid.
Your mental lameness is very regrettable.

Alright , let's try to solve your atheist equation , you basically deny God's existence because you don't see him ? . Well , Mankind didn't know about viruses and microbes existence before telescope was invented . And I think the ultimate or final logical equation about the existence or about life for me on 100% mental basis , is that there shouldn't be something called existence nor life !! What's the meaning of existence ? I mean the nothingness and nonexistence of you , me , all livings and universe is the ultimate mental logic for me . I say God created the universe , you say where did God come from ? I say I nor anybody have the mental ability to know that , but can you answer this , Where did the universe and existence come from ? the big bang happened and earth luckily came into a suitable spot , then things developed or evolute somehow ?. Alright , where did the universe came from before the big bang happens ? I don't know but any mental or scientific equation doesn't seem to make any materialistic logic for my brain .

Let me tell you something , Moses prophet is the only human on earth who spoke directly to God without a messenger , that was in Sinai desert and he asked God to show himself to him .

When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust.And Moses fell down in a swoon.When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143)

Also Jews had the same materialistic illness ,

55 . And remember ye said: "O Moses! We shall never believe in thee until we see Allah manifestly," but ye were dazed with thunder and lighting even as ye looked on. (2:55)

So we can't see God now in this life , but you can see him wherever you look around you . You can feel him in the nature and how the universe is perfectly made . This is part of the test , will you open your heart to feel him and acknowledge him . will you worship him and surrender to him . Surrender to his will , destiny and rule ( Islam means submission btw). will you feel the good , morals and purity ? Or your mental arrogance will lead you stray ,

[Khalid]

God, are you some kind of dimwit? Do you actually think that in all cases it's a choice? Do you even know what I hermaphrodite is?

I heard that there are treatment for hermaphrodite by surgery and hormones . Anyway hermaphrodite is a sick person for me. I don't how to deal with this condition .

Before making decisions as to any particular subject, I'd suggest getting all the facts first! Are you responsible for being brain dead? Should you then be stoned to death? As if so, in my realm of wisdom, you'd be at the bottom of a quarry!

I'm against homosexuality . I'm not gonna start a debate about the reasons ,. All what I know I was created (+) and I should have sex with the (-) .. (+) and (+) or (-) and (-) is so fuckin .. , don't know what the word , is so fuckin gay, disgusting , inhuman and unnatural .. it's the same way the majority of normal people feel about homo . I don't give a shit about your realm of wisdom or your quarry . Even if that could be considered as retroactive or uncivilized , I'm proud of that .

[Kayla]

I heard that there are treatment for hermaphrodite by surgery and hormones .

have you heard about the side effects of the surgery and the hormones by any chance

I'm against homosexuality . I'm not gonna start a debate about the reasons ,.

then what are you doing in a philosophy forum

philosophy is not just asserting opinions, it requires justifying them

if you think that homosexuality is wrong then give us your reasons for thinking so

or maybe you can find yourself a nice small-minded fundie muslims forum

All what I know I was created (+) and I should have sex with the (-) .. (+) and (+) or (-) and (-) is so fuckin .. , don't know what the word , is so fuckin gay, disgusting , inhuman and unnatural

dude animals have gay sex so there is nothing unnatural about it