The Antichrist

[artisticsolution]

That he needs to assign gender to someone who challenges his thoughts so that he can consider those thoughts beneath him just shows what a patriarchal misogynistic twit he is.

I don't think sob is misogynistic or a twit...although I am not sure the exact meaning of twit. I would say that he is patriarchal though...but maybe not in a gender related way...only in an authoritative type of way...meaning if Sigmund Freud would have been a woman, sob would still have held his/her psychology in high esteem as well.

But the reason I question the 'truth' of psychological findings is there is no empirical evidence of any real truth to it....unlike math for example. You can cross check math at least to see if your answer to a problem is correct. With psychology, however, the answer to a certain problem could be flawed due to the mental health of the 'problem solver' in this case sigmund freud.

I just think it was a mistake for society to have held his opinion in such high esteem when clearly most of his ideas where firmly guided by his own misguided thoughts and negative view of humanity. A view which may not be wrong...but certainly...statistically speaking....not right in all cases. And certainly, not correct when it comes to helping people out of the darkness of mental illness.

On the contrary....I think he made it so that mental illness is to be a thing to be prized. He made it 'special' or 'superior' to be mentally ill...by having a scapegoat for all of our 'bad' behavior and at the same time giving us a certain 'status' in that "achievement' that our minds can create by being mentally ill...i.e. "How miraculous is the human mind? Just look what it does when it has too much stress...it goes on to create multiple personalities, etc.Simply genius!" In other words....Freud made us actually like our mental illnesses...and more than that...he made it so we try to out compete the other in a game of...who is the most mentally ill...must also be the most intelligent of us all.

It's this topsy turvy idea that I find absurd. I believe it makes it impossible to ever get well...because the whole idea of psychology is based in the lifting up of esteem at all costs...even if it is a lie...even if it means telling the mentally ill person he is above the average bloke who is content with thinking happy thoughts. Not only that...but to point a finger at the happy person and call him stupid or naive, for obviously, only a stupid person would put blinders on to love this wretched world! It is brainwashing in a very irresponsible way.

I could go on and on....but one thing is for sure...it is the epitome of lying to say that the mentally ill person is more knowledgeable and/or wise (or whatever is the opposite of naive) than the sane person. It sets a dangerous precedent. One that errs on the side of making it desirable to be mentall ill...for which one would any one rather be....A genius to have come up with a way to cope with mental illness in a derogatory way or one who was too stupid to know they were mentally ill and so they were happy? To me the whole mentality is just absurd.

LOL...I am hijacking my own thread but what the hell....if ya can't beat em, join em!

Anyway...a little comic relief can be a good thing!

[SpheresOfBalance]

That he needs to assign gender to someone who challenges his thoughts so that he can consider those thoughts beneath him just shows what a patriarchal misogynistic twit he is.

I don't think sob is misogynistic or a twit...although I am not sure the exact meaning of twit. I would say that he is patriarchal though...but maybe not in a gender related way...only in an authoritative type of way...meaning if Sigmund Freud would have been a woman, sob would still have held his/her psychology in high esteem as well.

But the reason I question the 'truth' of psychological findings is there is no empirical evidence of any real truth to it....unlike math for example. You can cross check math at least to see if your answer to a problem is correct. With psychology, however, the answer to a certain problem could be flawed due to the mental health of the 'problem solver' in this case sigmund freud.

I just think it was a mistake for society to have held his opinion in such high esteem when clearly most of his ideas where firmly guided by his own misguided thoughts and negative view of humanity. A view which may not be wrong...but certainly...statistically speaking....not right in all cases. And certainly, not correct when it comes to helping people out of the darkness of mental illness.

On the contrary....I think he made it so that mental illness is to be a thing to be prized. He made it 'special' or 'superior' to be mentally ill...by having a scapegoat for all of our 'bad' behavior and at the same time giving us a certain 'status' in that "achievement' that our minds can create by being mentally ill...i.e. "How miraculous is the human mind? Just look what it does when it has too much stress...it goes on to create multiple personalities, etc.Simply genius!" In other words....Freud made us actually like our mental illnesses...and more than that...he made it so we try to out compete the other in a game of...who is the most mentally ill...must also be the most intelligent of us all.

It's this topsy turvy idea that I find absurd. I believe it makes it impossible to ever get well...because the whole idea of psychology is based in the lifting up of esteem at all costs...even if it is a lie...even if it means telling the mentally ill person he is above the average bloke who is content with thinking happy thoughts. Not only that...but to point a finger at the happy person and call him stupid or naive, for obviously, only a stupid person would put blinders on to love this wretched world! It is brainwashing in a very irresponsible way.

I could go on and on....but one thing is for sure...it is the epitome of lying to say that the mentally ill person is more knowledgeable and/or wise (or whatever is the opposite of naive) than the sane person. It sets a dangerous precedent. One that errs on the side of making it desirable to be mentall ill...for which one would any one rather be....A genius to have come up with a way to cope with mental illness in a derogatory way or one who was too stupid to know they were mentally ill and so they were happy? To me the whole mentality is just absurd.

LOL...I am hijacking my own thread but what the hell....if ya can't beat em, join em!

Anyway...a little comic relief can be a good thing!

It really doesn't matter whether Arising is a male of female anyway, the bottom line is that all the rest is true, the quote above is enough to prove it's a liar as 100% of it is not a reflection of me, but rather It's own projections upon me. Because it's stupid enough to attribute it's reasons, for things I've said, when in fact all that I've said to it, was aimed at it, and no one else, just it! But instead would rather use my aim at it, as a ploy of support from others, what a pathetic little looser it is. You can twist and turn and squirm, but it was you and only you, in my frying pan bitch! Call for help, call for help, quick, quick, I can't do this on my own, arising screams! I prefer mob rule as alone I'm nothing, let me appeal to all groups for support. I'm surprised it doesn't try and elicit support from blacks, Serbs, Russians, police, god! Cry out if you will, but your all on your own, it's just you and I.

[Arising_uk]

It really doesn't matter whether Arising is a male of female anyway, the bottom line is that all the rest is true, the quote above is enough to prove it's a liar as 100% of it is not a reflection of me, but rather It's own projections upon me.

You wish. "Menopausal ****", "sweetheart", "I put women upon a pedestal", "Ladies v females", 'Kim's a girls name', "Some man must have hurt you", 'What care you for misogyny', etc, etc. Add to that your condescension when you thought I was female and so far I stand by my judgement of your words and thoughts.
p.s.
All the "rest is true" of what?

[chaz wyman]

Kim is a man's name.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kim-DVD-Errol-F ... 332&sr=8-4

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kim-Wordsworth- ... 372&sr=8-1

[SpheresOfBalance]

Kim is a man's name.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kim-DVD-Errol-F ... 332&sr=8-4

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kim-Wordsworth- ... 372&sr=8-1

Incorrect, it's both, fool!

[Arising_uk]

... Because it's stupid enough to attribute it's reasons, for things I've said, when in fact all that I've said to it, was aimed at it, and no one else, just it! But instead would rather use my aim at it, as a ploy of support from others, what a pathetic little looser it is. You can twist and turn and squirm, but it was you and only you, in my frying pan bitch! Call for help, call for help, quick, quick, I can't do this on my own, arising screams! I prefer mob rule as alone I'm nothing, let me appeal to all groups for support. I'm surprised it doesn't try and elicit support from blacks, Serbs, Russians, police, god! Cry out if you will, but your all on your own, it's just you and I.

LMFAO! And I've only ever replied to you!
It wasn't me who used others to judge me, you did. It wasn't me who appealed to the forum to judge me a liar, you did. It wasn't me who talked about how I treat others, you did. It wasn't me who brought my conversations with others into the frame, you did. But now you are saying what you say is not what you think!? All-in-all you are a big emotional girls blouse.

[reasonvemotion]

I have a copy of your actual conversation where you mention your name and the body text is also revealing as to your sex, dipshit! What an imbecile you are.

Mind pasting it? I am interested to see how revealing it is

[artisticsolution]

I have a copy of your actual conversation where you mention your name and the body text is also revealing as to your sex, dipshit! What an imbecile you are.

Mind pasting it? I am interested to see how revealing it is

Or better yet...if arising could take a picture of his junk and post it...I would be forever grateful!

[lancek4]

I'm glad that we have developed a good discussion here but some of the posts are so insanely long, it prohibits me from catching up, being that I dispise reading at length through a computer screen.

Nevertheless, from what I have gleaned -

N reduces existence to an 'unwilled' basis that stems from and reaches 'beyond good and evil ' , beyond morality.
Unwilled is that of stars, planets and asteroids, Man has a computer called a brain and thus it is IMPOSSIBLE for anything he considers to be unwilled, in the considering their is will.

Thus truth, being founded only upon an ethical scheme,
Good and Evil and an ethical scheme are one in the same thing.

his readers should have the fortitude to have made this 'unwilled' move to reàlly understand him.
Incorrect, because it's impossible for any human to do this, everyone brings preconceived ideas to the table, or their will, if you will. he he he!

Thus N is speaking from an unjustified or totally justified position that can only be truely known by one who is not looking for or from the morally informed position that argues the transcending object of truth.
Incorrect, he himself said: "A new conscience for truths that have kept silent until now." as to what his "Anti-Christ" brings to the table.

Such a reader has no 'idols', no illusion of objective truth to be gained, for this possibility has been removed in the unwilled move itself.
I have absolutely no idols either yet I find T A-C 2 to be evil, bad, incorrect, ethically wrong, etc. No such thing as an unwilled move, the move itself would be willed, as would every consideration from that willed perspective. Every perspective is willed. "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"

The reason N position is no longer ( if it ever was ) solute is because the object has achieved dominion. The relative equalizing movement of capitalism has eliminated the need for the subject, thus the true object is realized in the common goal of human equality.

This is the same dialectic that K uses to discuss Abraham in 'fear and trembling'. The point is that there Is a teleological suspension, but the move of the transcending true object denies this suspension. So K asks of faith, and asserts that no one had the faith of Abraham; indeed they all have the faith of Issac.

As I have said else where a few times: sob, you and I are like two sides of a coin. The above postings. ( yours and mine) are evidence of this - and are perfect examples of N proposition (ironically). The evidence is consistent with the fact that you do not see this.

You are object oriented, positioned in a world of true objects. Every statement you make reveals this. And the fact that you deny this, the fact that you see the infinite universe reflected or manifest in our potential for knowing, defacto relegated you to the universal in the kierkegaardian sense.

You fail to understand the issue because you have no problem with the true object. It is your faith; the faith of Issac.

[lancek4]

From this day forward anytime she follows me I shall post this to remind people of her nature. Her assertions almost always have been misinformed as she fails to understand, another's points and merely supplies her own in their stead, such as to effectively, merely argue with herself.

Not that I am defending him...but you are totally wrong. I believe it is your background in psychology that makes you feel 'harmed'. And you feel the need to blame your hurt feelings on someone other than yourself.

I have known arising for a while...and yes, some times he mentions things that piss me off a little too...but then, when I look at them through different eyes...I find that most times, what he says is accurate...although not flattering. Can't fault a person for that. Other times he just get's frustrated in the same manner we all do...can't fault him for that as none of us here walk on water.

Also, it has been my experience that he is very approachable. If you ask him what he meant by such and such and that you don't understand what he meant to imply....he is gracious enough to tell you exactly what he meant.. and it has been my experience that the harm I felt over a certain thing he had said was an error in my judgment...meaning...I was the one who took it the wrong way.

Give him the benefit of the doubt. Ask him point blank in a respectful way what he means and he will give you a respectful an honest reply....it is then that you can tell him to fuck off...LOL...kidding. No...I think you will be surprised at how he relies. I think you will be able to see his statements as mere observations ratherY than attacks.

I think I'm in love.

[lancek4]

This whole male female tangent has me loving arising and AS. the mere continuance of the issue has got me reading them in a slightly changing light such that I think I'm falling in love with the idea of them being women. It hardly changed my intellectual approach in consideration of their posts, but the movement of their discourse effects my affections such that my intellect is feeling a type of contrary affinity that resovled in a curious fondness I have have rarely found in my interactions with women before, or rarely encountered it - one singular similar circumstance being who was of a different sort of intellectual.

So if any one if them is a man I have to say that the enigma is quite stimulating to the intellectual dynamic in these threads, and I kinda like not really knowing but having the suspended idea that they are women.

But if they are men then finding this out for sure would be even another interesting twist in the great experience of life - in that I am a man and hardly homosexual.

[lancek4]

And I know two men named Kim.

[lancek4]

So anyways.

I am reading your takes on AntC and I wonder: can some one offer an explanation of the gestalt with out reducing him, the author, to an object of modern psychology? Psychology which adds clauses to his work by scattering footnotes to all his propositions ? footnotes that, if you notice how particularly thorough his introspection is, he would have added himself if that was his intention for meaning.

I suggested earlier that N wishes to close the gap between reader and author, but adding all the footnotes merely aggravate the distance, and so, I feel, contribute to a misreading of him.

[reasonvemotion]

Or better yet...if arising could take a picture of his junk and post it...I would be forever grateful!

I think you want to send me a picture of yours. Get over me bitch.

[reasonvemotion]

SOB, I know which post you are referring to. Yep, you are right. Gender intuition spot on!