lancek4 wrote:How do You, sob, distinguish what is good from what You want?
If what one 'wants' does absolutely no harm to any other living thing, then it is good and is in keeping with the absolute truth. The absolute truth I'm looking at here, is that of life's unfolding. Remember we are not talking about what one needs.
What each human needs is: Air, Water, Food and Cover/Shelter from the elements. Everything beyond these are wants and are considered luxury's.
As long as no damage is done, to what the Absolute truth has allowed to be, then you're good. The Absolute Truth I'm referring to in this instance is that of the creation of our planet via the chance of the Absolutely True forces that be, i.e., gravity, matter, electromagnetic energy, etc.
This is not to say that we cannot grow in technology, it's to say that part of its growth, is the conservation of all living things, simultaneously.
You see, I see it like this, humans (all life), are an extension of the absolute truth of the universe, as we were born of it. The chaos of the universe has reached a point of temporary balance, that has allowed life to flourish. Life can only exist during these periods of balance. We should be able to see this, if not sooner, then at least, as of our understanding of the theory, of a mass extinction of the dinosaurs, due to an asteroid. This should paint an all too clear picture, that should be etched in all our minds, that is the fragility of our life's balance, which necessitates caution, when viewing our path, within this window of opportunity (period of balance). It's only wise to make the 'most' use of this time of balance that the universe has allowed, as it could cease at any moment. The leading animal of planet earth, humans, has the responsibility of seeing the need/value of this fragile balance, in the face of the potential imbalance that chaos affords, and for life's sake, ensure it's maintained, through our actions. This should not be an exploitative venture that stomps on other life forms, for other than needs, as the symbiosis shows us that we are them, and they are we. It's seen in the rain forests for instance. And then of course I would also argue that they have their own right to life, independent of our needs. Just because we have the ability to kill them off, doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do. And we have to dispense with this archaic gold colored rock worship, for the purpose of dominating another (selfishness), as it's responsible for most, if not all of the damage, and is synonymous with a club, and I thought we were supposed to be civilized. Yeah, right!
"...The whole wide world, an endless universe, yet we keep looking through
the eyeglass in reverse.
Don't feed the people, but we feed the machines, can't really feel what international means.
In different circles, we keep holding our ground, indifferent circles, we keep spinning round and round and round.
We see so many tribes - overrun and undermined, while their invaders dream of lands they've left behind..." --Peart--
With his words of the truth of humanity, I sense their psychosis.
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If you have and have thus come to certain truths, have you stopped there? What of those truths? Are not you simpoly maintaining that which grants you the criteria or quality of truth in order to discern what is true from your initial doubting?
So really you have not questioned your truth but merely reorganized your truth upon different terms so that it appears that you have questiioned your trths. And you can thus be satisfied and justified in yourself against others because you, for them, can have the appearance of critical thinking.
And the exact same thing can be said about you, and yours!
I believe the significant point sob misses is, it is not so much as, for example, 'how do we allow dictatorships and oppressive regimes'. But 'what is it about my knowledge of such that informs me of my existance'.
lancek4 wrote:How do You, sob, distinguish what is good from what You want?
If what one 'wants' does absolutely no harm to any other living thing, then it is good and is in keeping with the absolute truth. The absolute truth I'm looking at here, is that of life's unfolding. Remember we are not talking about what one needs.
Denying the lion his kill is absolutely NOT good, and is not in keeping with any kind of truth.
What each human needs is: Air, Water, Food and Cover/Shelter from the elements.And Steak! Everything beyond these are wants and are considered luxury's.
All of which do harm to other things in the acquisition
As long as no damage is done, to what the Absolute truth has allowed to be, then you're good. The Absolute Truth I'm referring to in this instance is that of the creation of our planet via the chance of the Absolutely True forces that be, i.e., gravity, matter, electromagnetic energy, etc.
Blah, blah... What a funny person
This is not to say that we cannot grow in technology, it's to say that part of its growth, is the conservation of all living things, simultaneously.
You see, I see it like this, humans (all life), are an extension of the absolute truth of the universe, as we were born of it. The chaos of the universe has reached a point of temporary balance, that has allowed life to flourish. Life can only exist during these periods of balance. We should be able to see this, if not sooner, then at least, as of our understanding of the theory, of a mass extinction of the dinosaurs, due to an asteroid. This should paint an all too clear picture, that should be etched in all our minds, that is the fragility of our life's balance, which necessitates caution, when viewing our path, within this window of opportunity (period of balance). It's only wise to make the 'most' use of this time of balance that the universe has allowed, as it could cease at any moment. The leading animal of planet earth, humans, has the responsibility of seeing the need/value of this fragile balance, in the face of the potential imbalance that chaos affords, and for life's sake, ensure it's maintained, through our actions. This should not be an exploitative venture that stomps on other life forms, for other than needs, as the symbiosis shows us that we are them, and they are we. It's seen in the rain forests for instance. And then of course I would also argue that they have their own right to life, independent of our needs. Just because we have the ability to kill them off, doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do. And we have to dispense with this archaic gold colored rock worship, for the purpose of dominating another (selfishness), as it's responsible for most, if not all of the damage, and is synonymous with a club, and I thought we were supposed to be civilized. Yeah, right!
"...The whole wide world, an endless universe, yet we keep looking through
the eyeglass in reverse.
Don't feed the people, but we feed the machines, can't really feel what international means.
In different circles, we keep holding our ground, indifferent circles, we keep spinning round and round and round.
We see so many tribes - overrun and undermined, while their invaders dream of lands they've left behind..." --Peart--
With his words of the truth of humanity, I sense their psychosis.
Without reading the previous 100 replies I'm compelled to jump in and say we do see the truth as we see it. We are hopefully talking about reality here and if so I will have to read the other 100 replies to find more answers to that question. I'm sure its all been said before but we all have limitations of perception, nor do we need to know everything. If there was an outside to the universe we wont be there to see it. A more proximal truth might be in front of our nose and there can be many reasons why we wont see it instantly. Without thinking too hard about it or explaining too much, I'd like to think there are great schemes in motion but sometimes its simply the mechanics of life and the universe doing thelr thing. Sure its complicated and sometimes a great exercise in mental or metaphysical gymnastics but its a choice to go there. It took me a long time to realise I'll never know everything and although I dont regard "ignorance as bliss", acceptance of it is sometimes the less painful path. We could argue both ways about the old cliche, "The more you know, the more there is to know" but that will not lead us any closer to the truth either. I'm going back to watch the shadows on the wall of Plato's cave.
I'll probably regret it in the morning and maybe its been said before as well but I had to come back and say, "You can't handle the truth". Not to any one in particular but to all and sundry, as I said previously sometimes we're not ready for the truth about something.
jakaos wrote:I'll probably regret it in the morning and maybe its been said before as well but I had to come back and say, "You can't handle the truth". Not to any one in particular but to all and sundry, as I said previously sometimes we're not ready for the truth about something.
Does that apply to you too?
Is it that you think you can handle the truth?
If so how?
If not - then how on earth would you know?
That of course was just a line out of a movie with no further significance. Great question about recognising the truth though. Personally, I cannot handle the immediate truth let alone the greater truth. Well the greater truth bothers me less for some reason. Thats probably why we spend so much time distracting ourselves. Truth does play a big part in Philosophy I just realised, Plato, Descarte, Nietzschie and the rest all had something to question or doubt. "Truth hath no greater enemy than certainty", maybe so but how little certainty there is. Neither am I talking about Descarte questioning his existence but beyond what we see and touch and experience in our lives what little we know. Whether at a molecular or cosmic level we are really stuck for some real comprehensive answers about anything beyond the norm. I'm ok with that. As curious as I am, these days I dont even wonder let alone worry about some of the things going on around us.
MJA wrote:It is impossible to know the truth about everything,
But possible to know a single truth about One is All.
I've built my castle on this.
Truth,
=
A foolish man builds his castle on the sand, as you have.
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Yeah, right!