Free Will Mix

[SpheresOfBalance]

FOAD Bitch! You fucking MORON!

What are you burbling on about sweetie?

But LMAO at "Bitch", this from the man who professes to love women.

Burbling to a lying little post menopausal whack job of a ****!

[Arising_uk]

Burbling to a lying little post menopausal whack job of a ****!

There now, feel better? Still no clearer what "FOAD" means?

Still its got to be better than a middle-aged p**** living out his mid-life crisis by warbling cassandra like pronouncements about the world and spewing his psychological issues out in a philosophy forum. Who gives a shit about your past mate? Its what you are now that counts and what you are is a twat with no will. Read the philosophers, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and Kierkegaard for what ails you. Then you might actually have something to say, philosophically that is.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Burbling to a lying little post menopausal whack job of a ****!

There now, feel better? Still no clearer what "FOAD" means?

Still its got to be better than a middle-aged p**** living out his mid-life crisis by warbling cassandra like pronouncements about the world and spewing his psychological issues out in a philosophy forum. Who gives a shit about your past mate? Its what you are now that counts and what you are is a twat with no will. Read the philosophers, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and Kierkegaard for what ails you. Then you might actually have something to say, philosophically that is.

The words of a post menopausal whack job of a ****, named KIM!!!!! Did I mention in self denial? Fearful of your own shadow, are you?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Who gives a shit about your past mate?

Speak for yourself dip shit, oh yeah I forgot, you fear what that is don't you?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Its what you are now that counts and what you are is a twat with no will. Read the philosophers, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and Kierkegaard for what ails you. Then you might actually have something to say, philosophically that is.

That's a good point, how does it feel to simply be a depository.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Find a good NLP therapist who will get you to state what you want in the positive and then help you achieve it. Rather than being a therapist junkie and wallowing in all the things you can't do.

This coming from a post menopausal whack job that believes in 'magic' like a little girl, Is that what menopause did to you sweetie, cause you to revert back to your childhood? Magic what a fucking fool! That kind of title only appeals to children.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Burbling to a lying little post menopausal whack job of a ****!

There now, feel better? Still no clearer what "FOAD" means?

I've already bested you with respect to Computer Language, a part of your profession no less, are you a glutton for punishment, you lying ****!

[SpheresOfBalance]

"Bigot", of course, I'm British. We pretty much define ourselves by bigotry but we're about the most tolerant bigots you'll find anywhere in the world.

Oh is that why you jump at every chance to wave you fucking colorful rag, with the prophet no less, do you know how childish that is, in the eyes of a true philosopher? You wouldn't know true philosophy if it bit you on the ass. You've always believed you were nothing, and decided to parrot all kinds of material to prove to the world that you're not. But in the end you're just a fucking depository, that has a problem with circular logic! Kimmy want a cracker?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Well if you think it's so damn difficult to simply see me taking everything so damn personal, Imagine what kind of hell I've been going through all my life believing that I have to constantly defend my self against the onslaught of people always trying to take things from me and never giving me anything, I mean a kind word. No you couldn't possibly imagine that, because with respect to that you were born with a silver spoon, well some of us aren't that lucky, and got shit on all the time by one that was supposed to love them, their father. You should just look at my sorry ass, and think, thank god I don't feel that I have a need to constantly hold myself up against an onslaught of attacks, because that's got to be pretty lonely, tiring place to live. Instead you hold me accountable as if it's really that hard on you, If only I were so lucky!

Aww! Fucking Boo-Hoo.

You're actually dumb enough to think you can actually hurt me with what I've put out there, as if I would be dumb enough to provide you with ammo? You forget that it's you, that fears what you are, so as to hide behind Foghorn Leghorn, a cartoon character, that probably believes in magic, the magic of animation. You project your concerns and fears upon me, which is what I've been trying to tell you from the start, you seem to argue with yourself.

[reasonvemotion]

This is very upsetting, to read the damage that is being thrown back and forth in these posts.


Arising always ready to pierce a heart or mind

and Spheres always ready to wear his heart on his sleeve

Realise this both of you and tread carefully.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Kim, I understand now, so I'm sorry for verbally abusing you, It all makes sense now. You're getting older and feel inadequate, you despise yourself and don't want anyone to know of those things that you despise in you, being a female, your age and such. Because if you knew those things about someone else, instead of caring for them and having sympathy for them, you'd use that information to abuse them, as you've tried to do to me. So it's a matter of your projection, that you've tried to abuse me. I'm just sorry that you feel that way about yourself, and wonder who did this to you. Again, I'm sorry, I just didn't realize the full nature of you neuroses before. From now on I shall allow you to abuse me how ever you want, without retaliation, knowing that you can't help yourself, but I highly suggest you seek a psychologist well versed in Jung's theory on neurosis, he seems to be an authority on the subject, because I'm sorry to say that NLP and that Magic book has seriously failed you. Just trying to be helpful.

with Love,

Spheres of Balance

[marjoramblues]

For Notvacka, NOT Kim: As to free Will, I had said:

Thanks for this summary SOB and whoever/whatever prompted it - like some others, I haven't been following the thread from the start, so I appreciate it. I'll try to respond and hope that it hasn't been addressed before.

It's a ridiculous assertion, as all reasons are your choice. The scales have been calibrated by you and therefore you can tweak the scales at any time and in any direction you choose. Of course we are bound by our humanity, in that one cannot choose to fly to the moon "on the Silent wings of Freedom."

I'm not sure what the assertion was, so I'm not sure that I understand 'all reasons are your choice'. What 'scales' are you talking about?

So human free will does exist, within the bounds of what it is in being human.

AND:

What some of you seem to forget, is that your subconscious is you.

I agree that we have free will up to a point; with many restrictions either externally or internally imposed.
Don't know enough about the subconscious; but would have thought that the idea of 'self' would include all physical and mental aspects.


Since you were conceived/born you have been building it as per the environmental stimulus of your exposure, for the first 5 years, especially the first year.

This suggests that we actively build our own subconscious; I thought that it would be more of a passive thing.

This is why I see the importance that absolutely 'no' extraordinarily harsh situations are experienced during this time period. The first year should be nothing but love, soft and sweet as in touch, sound, smell, taste and finally sight, nurture is the buzzword. Anything that is extreme, shall taint the formation of the subconscious psyche, and destroy the full potential of that life. This includes a slap on the ass and circumcision, birth is traumatic in and of itself. At no point should we experience shock no matter how slight during that first year. During the next four it should be held to the bare minimum, but there is a little room for an ever so slightly more harsh environment.

I agree that the early years of nurture are important in our formation. However, if there is 'nothing but love' then this too is 'extreme' and it could be argued that this is as likely to 'taint' the formation in only providing the 'good'. This would lead to being less aware of any 'bad' and poor preparation for what is to come. What might be provided as 'loving in sight' might prove traumatic - thinking of big bearded Santa Claus - or the masked clown.

This is the method to ensure you have the freest mind of purity that shall be more capable to weather the storms of adulthood, as their foundation, in their dealings, shall be free and calm, with singular resolve.

I don't think that any such method will ensure anything.

In the other extreme the subconscious is a swirling mass of confusion born of internal conflict in response to negative, conflicting external stimuli, that thwarts the freedom of will that would have been a pure self supporting system, otherwise.

I don't understand this; could you please explain, thanks.

The argument of subconscious versus conscious, in a balanced life, as I've indicated above, is a moot point, as they are both one in the same, at least as much as possible, because a calm, clear and free life is what we all want,

I'm not sure that you can state what we all want; some love to argue and love the buzz of chaos. It would be pretty boring if we were calm all the time and pretty much dangerous if everyone had a 'free life' to do as they pleased. Also, can't see the connection here to the 'argument of subconscious v conscious', whatever that is ?

and it all starts from day one, if the parents understand and implement this clearly loving, positive and consistent method, of psyche formation.

AND:

I believe that the free will issue is kind of BS.

I'm tempted to agree with you here; but then again, I'm not sure. I think that all sorts of philo issues are BS and we should move on and deal with what is important in our world right now. Can't we just presume that everyone just knows what is right ?

Of course we have free will, there is no doubt. But it's also true the our lives are a product of the legacies handed down from generation to generation, and that within these various legacies, various people pay particular attention to these various differing lessons and find their own various particular concerns.

It would be nice if we were powerful enough to contain all of the knowledge of mankind within our brains, but we can't. If we could, then no doubt we'd all choose the same things, and you could then see where free will would illuminate the best choices very clearly. Thus we all have varyingly different tool boxes, we all choose varyingly different tools, some invent varyingly new toolboxes and tools, or we could throw them all away. The choice is always ours and ours alone, we just choose to make those choices that wherein we see the greatest value, are easiest, provide what we want, are a product of tradition, etc.

Yes, I want it all; I wanted to know everything yesterday - what a good person I would be, not ! I'd cut out the best choice for me, and to hell with everyone else. Yes, I'd know that my best value - 3 for 2 - would provide exactly what I want. But would it be what I needed for growth ? My free will to choose does not necessarily 'illuminate the best choice'. And we wouldn't all choose the same things...

Just because they are a part of the current construct, that is the current state of human kind, doesn't necessarily mean there is no free will. It's just that, at the time an individual chooses, it's from their correspondent connections to their particular world, that seems like the most logical or emotional choice, given the presented variables. Those that see us not having free will, see the things where we agree more readily. Those that see us as having free will, see the things where we disagree more readily.

I don't understand the last 2 sentences.

So we each have free will, only to the extent of our own bubbles of knowledge and understanding, within the realm of possibilities, as presented by the reality of existence.

This makes sense to me.

Sure we are all programmed, but unlike a computer we can choose to alter the code once we understand the code. I don't see our hardware as static as a computers.

What code are you talking about ?

At least that's how I see it!

AND:

Funny, I've never been to a day of church in my life, and I believe in free will, within it's container, of course, which is shaped by it's individual owner.

What has you not ever being 'to a day of church' go to do with your believing in free will ?
Definition follows:
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free will
noun
1. free and independent choice; voluntary decision: You took on the responsibility of your own free will.
2. Philosophy . the doctrine that the conduct of human beings expresses personal choice and is not simply determined by physical or divine forces.
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Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2012.

All the rest is Kim and I arguing about our inabilities to effectively communicate with one another.

I'm not inclined to check back, but I would hope that there were some other positive contributions.

[marjoramblues]

LMFAO!

You actually trolled my posts to find the ones where I used to use my name!!

And from this you've used your AMAZING deductive powers to deduce that your STUNNING intution concerning gender has been confirmed!!

You have without a doubt now proved to me that you are your fathers son and are a typical Yank who resides in a patriarchal misogynistic cultural box, safe and secure in the delusion blanket that comforts you when faced with critique of your thoughts. Wake-up and smell the coffee numbnuts. You have serious issues that you need to address and a psychology not a philosophy site is where you belong.

Let me guess your name, no don't tell me! Billy-Bob or Zeke is my guess.

And so it goes...unleash the tirade, yet again...this is serial; but the ratings are fantastic...stay glued...

Nothing to say about SOB's summary, then ?

[reasonvemotion]

In the other extreme the subconscious is a swirling mass of confusion born of internal conflict in response to negative, conflicting external stimuli, that thwarts the freedom of will that would have been a pure self supporting system, otherwise.

Yes, I understand. The freewill is caged, somewhere way back in the annals of your mind. If it were free as it should be, you would be a whole person, but as long as you remain in this state you remain in fetters. SoB you break my heart.

[marjoramblues]

Well if you think it's so damn difficult to simply see me taking everything so damn personal, Imagine what kind of hell I've been going through all my life believing that I have to constantly defend my self against the onslaught of people always trying to take things from me and never giving me anything, I mean a kind word. No you couldn't possibly imagine that, because with respect to that you were born with a silver spoon, well some of us aren't that lucky, and got shit on all the time by one that was supposed to love them, their father. You should just look at my sorry ass, and think, thank god I don't feel that I have a need to constantly hold myself up against an onslaught of attacks, because that's got to be pretty lonely, tiring place to live. Instead you hold me accountable as if it's really that hard on you, If only I were so lucky!

Aww! Fucking Boo-Hoo.

Try using that free-will you say we have and stop being determined by your past.

Find a good NLP therapist who will get you to state what you want in the positive and then help you achieve it. Rather than being a therapist junkie and wallowing in all the things you can't do.
p.s.
For someone who says we shouldn't make assumptions about others you sure are making a lot about Notvacka.

You lying little, post menopausal ****!

Couldn't this kind of person-to-person stuff be taken elsewhere ? Off thread - taken to a 'Rant Room' ? Kinda like a 'see you outside and remove your glasses' kinda thing ?
Or is it being set up as some kind of an example...