Free Will Mix

[SpheresOfBalance]

First, I have to wonder why you feel inclined to interject as you have, I can only come up with one probability, and it doesn't impress me, as a matter of fact it's kind of small minded. Care to explain?

There you go again. If I interject, it has to be about me, personally, right?

Second, I seriously doubt you have been following this as you state, such that you can effectively make a fair assessment, because it's been going on now since sometime around Nov 2011 and has spanned 'several' threads. Your points above seem to be misplaced, as if you've plucked them from thin air. So what were you saying?

I haven't read all of your posts, no. I just checked in on this Free Will Mix topic to see if there was something about free will added lately, and I read a few pages of your sorry exchange and kind of took pity, since I've seen it all before. But of course I should leave you two to it.

If you feel the need to suck on someones teat, that's your business, but don't fool yourself into believing that there's necessarily any substance of any significance to it, of course cowards shall always find safety in numbers, have at it!

I'm not jumpin in on Arising's side here. I'm exposing him to you. He needs no help.

And one more thing, I don't see this as a game, and feel sorry for those that do.

Neither do I. That's why I usually don't take part once a discussion has turned into one. If you get back to discussing philosophy, I might join in. This was just me trying to act referee in order to save you from further humiliation.

Oh and P.S. That he is a she, in one way or another.

Fine. Get pummeled by a girl then, if that makes you feel better. But now I'm adding insult to injury, which, honestly, wasn't my intention. What you have here is not a debate, it's a game. And you are losing.

You're a fucking idiot, move along little boy!

[Notvacka]

You're a fucking idiot, move along little boy!

You are proving my point. And I sure won't stick around.

He's all yours, Arising.

[SpheresOfBalance]

You're a fucking idiot, move along little boy!

You are proving my point. And I sure won't stick around.

He's all yours, Arising.

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I get it, you don't like me every since I stood up to you in that argument we had, so what. I'm 54, gonna die soon, I don't give a damn how your sorry ass sees me! Capiche? You jumped in here for your ego's sake, pure and simple, FOAD!

[Notvacka]

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I get it, you don't like me every since I stood up to you in that argument we had, so what. I'm 54, gonna die soon, I don't give a damn how your sorry ass sees me! Capiche? You jumped in here for your ego's sake, pure and simple, FOAD!

No, I do like you. Really. But I don't like the way you take everything personal, like you just did. And you only "stood up to me" in your imagination, because I was never trying to take you down. Somebody not agreeing with your opinion is not an attack; a discussion is not a contest between egos, unless you make it that way. But I'm out of here. I just don't want to leave on a sour note. Cheers!

[SpheresOfBalance]

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I get it, you don't like me every since I stood up to you in that argument we had, so what. I'm 54, gonna die soon, I don't give a damn how your sorry ass sees me! Capiche? You jumped in here for your ego's sake, pure and simple, FOAD!

No, I do like you. Really. But I don't like the way you take everything personal, like you just did. And you only "stood up to me" in your imagination, because I was never trying to take you down. Somebody not agreeing with your opinion is not an attack; a discussion is not a contest between egos, unless you make it that way. But I'm out of here. I just don't want to leave on a sour note. Cheers!

Well if you think it's so damn difficult to simply see me taking everything so damn personal, Imagine what kind of hell I've been going through all my life believing that I have to constantly defend my self against the onslaught of people always trying to take things from me and never giving me anything, I mean a kind word. No you couldn't possibly imagine that, because with respect to that you were born with a silver spoon, well some of us aren't that lucky, and got shit on all the time by one that was supposed to love them, their father. You should just look at my sorry ass, and think, thank god I don't feel that I have a need to constantly hold myself up against an onslaught of attacks, because that's got to be pretty lonely, tiring place to live. Instead you hold me accountable as if it's really that hard on you, If only I were so lucky!

[Notvacka]

Imagine what kind of hell I've been going through all my life believing that I have to constantly defend my self against the onslaught of people always trying to take things from me and never giving me anything, I mean a kind word.

I'm sorry for you, then. But self pity is a dead end. I've been there. In order to move forward, you must leave things behind.

No you couldn't possibly imagine that, because with respect to that you were born with a silver spoon,

You are jumping to conclusions about my background. What do you know about the trouble I've seen?

You should just look at my sorry ass, and think, thank god I don't feel that I have a need to constantly hold myself up against an onslaught of attacks, because that's got to be pretty lonely, tiring place to live. Instead you hold me accountable as if it's really that hard on you, If only I were so lucky!

I don't hold you accountable. I don't believe in free will, you know. We are all products of our past. And we can dwell on the past or leave it behind. (Not that I think it's all that easy.) We are reimagining ourselves each day, usually in the same old mold. You don't have to bring your ego along, or drag other people's egos into every discussion.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Imagine what kind of hell I've been going through all my life believing that I have to constantly defend my self against the onslaught of people always trying to take things from me and never giving me anything, I mean a kind word.

I'm sorry for you, then. But self pity is a dead end. I've been there. In order to move forward, you must leave things behind.
But it's not self pity, well maybe a little, I'm talking about someone that really believes that they are inconsequential, because it was drummed into their head from birth, that's what gives rise to someone always taking things personal and then it gets worse, because in school, you learn of those that are conceited and they are never nice to you so you say to yourself, god, I never want to be like them, conceited, which just further forces you down the black hole of loneliness and being the victim. Sure at that point you're humble as hell, but alone, which you seem to be forced to take comfort in. Then one day you find yourself overcompensating, because you finally start saying to yourself, I'm getting to old to give a damn about those cock sucking takers, fuck them.

What I'm saying is that psychologically there are many things that feed one another, that support a particular condition, and that only, once you've gathered them all together in one group, so that you can see the dynamics involved, can you finally put them in their proper place. And I guess at 54 I'm still finding them all. But it's FREE WILL that allows me to do this. I think you people are sadly mistaken, FREE WILL has absolutely NOTHING to do with TIME!!!!!!!!

No you couldn't possibly imagine that, because with respect to that you were born with a silver spoon,

You are jumping to conclusions about my background. What do you know about the trouble I've seen?
Touché! I bow to you and beg forgiveness! I had no right! But it would seem so, from your seemingly lack, of being able to identify with me, on that particular issue.

You should just look at my sorry ass, and think, thank god I don't feel that I have a need to constantly hold myself up against an onslaught of attacks, because that's got to be pretty lonely, tiring place to live. Instead you hold me accountable as if it's really that hard on you, If only I were so lucky!

I don't hold you accountable. I don't believe in free will, you know. We are all products of our past. And we can dwell on the past or leave it behind. (Not that I think it's all that easy.) We are reimagining ourselves each day, usually in the same old mold. You don't have to bring your ego along, or drag other people's egos into every discussion.
To say that it's not easy is a huge understatement. And what you fail to understand is that the ego is what's damaged in this particular case. It's currently somewhat in over-compensatory mode to extend that extreme of the dichotomy, to hopefully find a sound median in the end, though I may be dead before it's realized. Again FREE WILL is not bound by TIME! It is not INSTANTANEOUS! It requires much WORK! But this does not negate it's existence as a viable resource, in affecting change.

[SpheresOfBalance]

For Notvacka, NOT Kim: As to free Will, I had said:

It's a ridiculous assertion, as all reasons are your choice. The scales have been calibrated by you and therefore you can tweak the scales at any time and in any direction you choose. Of course we are bound by our humanity, in that one cannot choose to fly to the moon "on the Silent wings of Freedom."

So human free will does exist, within the bounds of what it is in being human.

AND:

What some of you seem to forget, is that your subconscious is you.

Since you were conceived/born you have been building it as per the environmental stimulus of your exposure, for the first 5 years, especially the first year. This is why I see the importance that absolutely 'no' extraordinarily harsh situations are experienced during this time period. The first year should be nothing but love, soft and sweet as in touch, sound, smell, taste and finally sight, nurture is the buzzword. Anything that is extreme, shall taint the formation of the subconscious psyche, and destroy the full potential of that life. This includes a slap on the ass and circumcision, birth is traumatic in and of itself. At no point should we experience shock no matter how slight during that first year. During the next four it should be held to the bare minimum, but there is a little room for an ever so slightly more harsh environment.

This is the method to ensure you have the freest mind of purity that shall be more capable to weather the storms of adulthood, as their foundation, in their dealings, shall be free and calm, with singular resolve.

In the other extreme the subconscious is a swirling mass of confusion born of internal conflict in response to negative, conflicting external stimuli, that thwarts the freedom of will that would have been a pure self supporting system, otherwise.

The argument of subconscious versus conscious, in a balanced life, as I've indicated above, is a moot point, as they are both one in the same, at least as much as possible, because a calm, clear and free life is what we all want, and it all starts from day one, if the parents understand and implement this clearly loving, positive and consistent method, of psyche formation.

AND:

I believe that the free will issue is kind of BS. Of course we have free will, there is no doubt. But it's also true the our lives are a product of the legacies handed down from generation to generation, and that within these various legacies, various people pay particular attention to these various differing lessons and find their own various particular concerns.

It would be nice if we were powerful enough to contain all of the knowledge of mankind within our brains, but we can't. If we could, then no doubt we'd all choose the same things, and you could then see where free will would illuminate the best choices very clearly. Thus we all have varyingly different tool boxes, we all choose varyingly different tools, some invent varyingly new toolboxes and tools, or we could throw them all away. The choice is always ours and ours alone, we just choose to make those choices that wherein we see the greatest value, are easiest, provide what we want, are a product of tradition, etc.

Just because they are a part of the current construct, that is the current state of human kind, doesn't necessarily mean there is no free will. It's just that, at the time an individual chooses, it's from their correspondent connections to their particular world, that seems like the most logical or emotional choice, given the presented variables. Those that see us not having free will, see the things where we agree more readily. Those that see us as having free will, see the things where we disagree more readily.

So we each have free will, only to the extent of our own bubbles of knowledge and understanding, within the realm of possibilities, as presented by the reality of existence.

Sure we are all programmed, but unlike a computer we can choose to alter the code once we understand the code. I don't see our hardware as static as a computers.

At least that's how I see it!

AND:

Funny, I've never been to a day of church in my life, and I believe in free will, within it's container, of course, which is shaped by it's individual owner.

Definition follows:
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free will
noun
1. free and independent choice; voluntary decision: You took on the responsibility of your own free will.
2. Philosophy . the doctrine that the conduct of human beings expresses personal choice and is not simply determined by physical or divine forces.
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Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2012.

All the rest is Kim and I arguing about our inabilities to effectively communicate with one another.

[Arising_uk]

LMFAO!

You actually trolled my posts to find the ones where I used to use my name!!

And from this you've used your AMAZING deductive powers to deduce that your STUNNING intution concerning gender has been confirmed!!

You have without a doubt now proved to me that you are your fathers son and are a typical Yank who resides in a patriarchal misogynistic cultural box, safe and secure in the delusion blanket that comforts you when faced with critique of your thoughts. Wake-up and smell the coffee numbnuts. You have serious issues that you need to address and a psychology not a philosophy site is where you belong.

Let me guess your name, no don't tell me! Billy-Bob or Zeke is my guess.

[Arising_uk]

I don't like your attitude, you're an egomaniac, selfish to the bone. You're a bigot, as well, and I hate bigots. You'll always be like that of an immature ill-mannered little girl, to me. You don't deserve my time, because of it. F.O.A.D. Did you like that? That's all you'll ever get from me, until you grow up and mind your manners!

Fuck-off twat! When will you get it through your thick-head that I wish to discuss your statement that its obvious that we have free-will and these distractions are just your pathetic psyche that feels threatened by others questioning your words.

"Bigot", of course, I'm British. We pretty much define ourselves by bigotry but we're about the most tolerant bigots you'll find anywhere in the world.

That you think your time, with respect to philosophy, has any value at all so far, just shows who's the egomaniac here and your need to understand me as a female so you can then patronise me from some mythical patriarchal moral high ground also shows how far from the adult you claim to be.

"F.O.A.D", no eyed-deer what you are wittering on about?

[Arising_uk]

Well if you think it's so damn difficult to simply see me taking everything so damn personal, Imagine what kind of hell I've been going through all my life believing that I have to constantly defend my self against the onslaught of people always trying to take things from me and never giving me anything, I mean a kind word. No you couldn't possibly imagine that, because with respect to that you were born with a silver spoon, well some of us aren't that lucky, and got shit on all the time by one that was supposed to love them, their father. You should just look at my sorry ass, and think, thank god I don't feel that I have a need to constantly hold myself up against an onslaught of attacks, because that's got to be pretty lonely, tiring place to live. Instead you hold me accountable as if it's really that hard on you, If only I were so lucky!

Aww! Fucking Boo-Hoo.

Try using that free-will you say we have and stop being determined by your past.

Find a good NLP therapist who will get you to state what you want in the positive and then help you achieve it. Rather than being a therapist junkie and wallowing in all the things you can't do.
p.s.
For someone who says we shouldn't make assumptions about others you sure are making a lot about Notvacka.

[SpheresOfBalance]

LMFAO!

You actually trolled my posts to find the ones where I used to use my name!!

And from this you've used your AMAZING deductive powers to deduce that your STUNNING intution concerning gender has been confirmed!!

You have without a doubt now proved to me that you are your fathers son and are a typical Yank who resides in a patriarchal misogynistic cultural box, safe and secure in the delusion blanket that comforts you when faced with critique of your thoughts. Wake-up and smell the coffee numbnuts. You have serious issues that you need to address and a psychology not a philosophy site is where you belong.

Let me guess your name, no don't tell me! Billy-Bob or Zeke is my guess.

FOAD Bitch! You fucking MORON!

[Arising_uk]

FOAD Bitch! You fucking MORON!

What are you burbling on about sweetie?

But LMAO at "Bitch", this from the man who professes to love women.

[SpheresOfBalance]

I don't like your attitude, you're an egomaniac, selfish to the bone. You're a bigot, as well, and I hate bigots. You'll always be like that of an immature ill-mannered little girl, to me. You don't deserve my time, because of it. F.O.A.D. Did you like that? That's all you'll ever get from me, until you grow up and mind your manners!

Fuck-off twat! When will you get it through your thick-head that I wish to discuss your statement that its obvious that we have free-will and these distractions are just your pathetic psyche that feels threatened by others questioning your words.

"Bigot", of course, I'm British. We pretty much define ourselves by bigotry but we're about the most tolerant bigots you'll find anywhere in the world.

That you think your time, with respect to philosophy, has any value at all so far, just shows who's the egomaniac here and your need to understand me as a female so you can then patronise me from some mythical patriarchal moral high ground also shows how far from the adult you claim to be.

"F.O.A.D", no eyed-deer what you are wittering on about?

Arising_UK: 'This is a philosophy forum, don't you know.' 'Some one in a philosophy forum would expect this' and on and on and on about this being a philosophy forum and then:

philosophy [fi-los-uh-fee]
phi·los·o·phy /fɪˈlɒsəfi/ [fi-los-uh-fee]
noun, plural phi·los·o·phies.
1. the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.

being fearful of the TRUTH that she's a female, denying her own self for the sake of a lie of perception, YOU? PHILOSOPHY? No fucking way little GIRLEY! You may dear are NOTHING but LIES from head to toe. I on the other hand TELL EVERYTHING ABOUT MYSELF even the SENSITIVE stuff, I FEAR NO TRUTH.

You wouldn't know philosophy if it bit you in the ass, little girl! You're nothing but a fucking LIAR!

[SpheresOfBalance]

Well if you think it's so damn difficult to simply see me taking everything so damn personal, Imagine what kind of hell I've been going through all my life believing that I have to constantly defend my self against the onslaught of people always trying to take things from me and never giving me anything, I mean a kind word. No you couldn't possibly imagine that, because with respect to that you were born with a silver spoon, well some of us aren't that lucky, and got shit on all the time by one that was supposed to love them, their father. You should just look at my sorry ass, and think, thank god I don't feel that I have a need to constantly hold myself up against an onslaught of attacks, because that's got to be pretty lonely, tiring place to live. Instead you hold me accountable as if it's really that hard on you, If only I were so lucky!

Aww! Fucking Boo-Hoo.

Try using that free-will you say we have and stop being determined by your past.

Find a good NLP therapist who will get you to state what you want in the positive and then help you achieve it. Rather than being a therapist junkie and wallowing in all the things you can't do.
p.s.
For someone who says we shouldn't make assumptions about others you sure are making a lot about Notvacka.

You lying little, post menopausal ****!