The Antichrist

[reasonemotion]

"What makes philosophy so garrulous is not the profundity of philosophers, but their lack of art. " the Project Gutenberg. The Antichrist is written eloquently, but in the year 2012, it is outdated and his passion and intensity regarding Christianity today, for me, is of no consquence. So what! Christ, Antichrist, I fear this man was on the verge of obsession and insanity.

TO SOB

Spending time isolated, you have more than enough time to ponder on your ailments. At this point from your posts, you need to see a doctor, if only to retain a sense of balance in your mind. My ex husband found himself in your position, stressing about symptons. We went together to see his doctor and the problem was resolved. Maybe your wife can accompany you. As CW said, a book and exercise are not the answers. You need a medical opinion on this. Sometimes symptons may seem ominous when they are benign. Please make the effort and get answers to your questions from a doctor of medicine.

[chaz wyman]

This is all you need to read about the Gerson Therapy:

"Gerson Therapy: History". National Cancer Institute. February 26, 2010.
"Gerson Therapy". American Cancer Society. April 22, 2009.

[lancek4]

If you are going to dismiss the validity of anyone's contribution because they were getting intoxicated, you'll have to write off 90% of human history.
It is redivulous to judge peoples input because of particular preferences for intoxication. It is a reverse arguing. Should I say someone has no valid opinion on family because they drink alcohol? No. But of course if one of their 5 children becomes a prostitute. I can blame it on the parents drinking.

[SpheresOfBalance]

This is all you need to read about the Gerson Therapy:

"Gerson Therapy: History". National Cancer Institute. February 26, 2010.
"Gerson Therapy". American Cancer Society. Retrieved April 22, 2009.

Chaz where are these two resources located?

But to be honest with you Chaz, it won't make any difference what they say, because like I said, I've been researching it for several years now. I don't do research simply by reading an opponents words, because of course they're going to promote their side due to their conflict of interests, instead I look for parallel information from multiple unaffiliated sources, if I see a pattern of support emerge, then I see that as the most logical indicator of truth. If on the other hand I find many parallel facts from unrelated sources to the negative, then I pass it by. I have found many things to support the Gerson Therapy. Also there have been many testimonials of their patients. And as far as your assertion of people only "thinking" they have cancer goes, that's all hog wash. The Gerson institute absolutely refuses to diagnose any patients cancer, and instead insists that they shall only accept patients, that have gone to their regular allopathic doctors and already been diagnosed. Only then will they accept a patient. Many of the Gerson patients that 'recovered' had been told by their allopathic doctors that there was nothing more that could be done to save them, and to get their affairs in order prior to their impending death. After weighing all the evidence I know that the Gerson Therapy is the only cure that actually addresses the causal's of the disease itself and not just it's effects. There's nothing I hate worse than allopathic doctors merely treating a disease's symptoms. But no worries the allopathic doctors are good for something, as mentioned above. Yesterday, Wednesday, the 2nd of May I went to see one, he felt the growth, that I've been tracking for four months now, and decided that he didn't think it was cancer, but he couldn't be sure via palpitation, so he scheduled an ultrasound for sometime in the near future, he said it could be up to a month from now. And I said, "So it can get bigger, that's nice." That really pissed him off! Obviously I'm going to start working the Gerson therapy right now just in case, It's pretty strict, and to be honest I won't initially be toeing the line, but shall instead, slowly increase my compliance over time.

Hey, thanks for your time! You prickly old codger you!

[SpheresOfBalance]

"What makes philosophy so garrulous is not the profundity of philosophers, but their lack of art. " the Project Gutenberg. The Antichrist is written eloquently, but in the year 2012, it is outdated and his passion and intensity regarding Christianity today, for me, is of no consquence. So what! Christ, Antichrist, I fear this man was on the verge of obsession and insanity.

TO SOB

Spending time isolated, you have more than enough time to ponder on your ailments. At this point from your posts, you need to see a doctor, if only to retain a sense of balance in your mind. My ex husband found himself in your position, stressing about symptons. We went together to see his doctor and the problem was resolved. Maybe your wife can accompany you. As CW said, a book and exercise are not the answers. You need a medical opinion on this. Sometimes symptons may seem ominous when they are benign. Please make the effort and get answers to your questions from a doctor of medicine.

I'm no fool, I was never going to diagnose myself, just treat myself after the diagnosis. But hey, I do soooo appreciate you taking your time to share a few words of caution with me. I'm going to take care of it, no worries, mate!

Thanks!

[SpheresOfBalance]

If you are going to dismiss the validity of anyone's contribution because they were getting intoxicated, you'll have to write off 90% of human history.
It is redivulous to judge peoples input because of particular preferences for intoxication. It is a reverse arguing. Should I say someone has no valid opinion on family because they drink alcohol? No. But of course if one of their 5 children becomes a prostitute. I can blame it on the parents drinking.

Lance, you should know me somewhat by now, I like making points to consider, I do believe they're worth considering, don't you. I mean how does anyone really know the truth of N, he has been dead for quite some time. And I do consider the type of intoxicant to be pertinent, as it may reflect on clarity of thought.

[reasonemotion]

"lancek4"
If you are going to dismiss the validity of anyone's contribution because they were getting intoxicated, you'll have to write off 90% of human history.
It is redivulous to judge peoples input because of particular preferences for intoxication. It is a reverse arguing. Should I say someone has no valid opinion on family because they drink alcohol? No. But of course if one of their 5 children becomes a prostitute. I can blame it on the parents drinking."


My reason for rejecting The AntiChrist, is although there is no doubt he was highly intelligent, he still could not prove a final conclusion. How could he? Yes, I noted at the end of my criticism my observation that I thought he was suffering some sort of mental illness, but that was not a criticism of his literary work, that was more an aside. You have successfully taken it out of context.

[reasonemotion]

Yesterday, Wednesday, the 2nd of May I went to see one, he felt the growth, that I've been tracking for four months now, and decided that he didn't think it was cancer,


You did it......you had your examination. If your doctor was certain it was cancer you would be having an ultra scan pronto, not in the distant future.
I feel so happy and I dont even know you.

Nutrition
It is important for everyone to eat foods from the five major food groups each and every day. The five food groups identified by the USDA include grains, vegetables, fruits, milk and dairy and meat and beans. Each of these food groups contains specific nutrients, so it is important to eat a combination of these foods to ensure proper levels of nutrition

Peace of mind.
Inner peace ultimately leads to external peace. By creating peace in our inner world, we bring it into the external world, affecting other people.

[marjoramblues]

reasonemotion on the subject of Nutrition
It is important for everyone to eat foods from the five major food groups each and every day. The five food groups identified by the USDA include grains, vegetables, fruits, milk and dairy and meat and beans. Each of these food groups contains specific nutrients, so it is important to eat a combination of these foods to ensure proper levels of nutrition

This I think is worthy of its own thread - perhaps in the Lounge where we could chew it over or smash it down into a smoothie. Perhaps even a recipe section ? Or Applied ethics ? Counselling ? Physical well-being helps clear thoughts -the ill produce sick thoughts; unbalanced thoughts create ill health ?

I read the excellent PN article by Howard Darmstadter on Peter Singer and speciesism whereby it is deemed wrong to eat meat. I eat meat so apparently I am a 'speciesist', the moral equivalent of a racist or sexist, and therefore a bad person.

Not everyone can eat all the foods identified as important. Nor can they afford to be philosophically picky.

[SpheresOfBalance]

reasonemotion on the subject of Nutrition
It is important for everyone to eat foods from the five major food groups each and every day. The five food groups identified by the USDA include grains, vegetables, fruits, milk and dairy and meat and beans. Each of these food groups contains specific nutrients, so it is important to eat a combination of these foods to ensure proper levels of nutrition

This I think is worthy of its own thread - perhaps in the Lounge where we could chew it over or smash it down into a smoothie. Perhaps even a recipe section ? Or Applied ethics ? Counselling ? Physical well-being helps clear thoughts -the ill produce sick thoughts; unbalanced thoughts create ill health ?

I read the excellent PN article by Howard Darmstadter on Peter Singer and speciesism whereby it is deemed wrong to eat meat. I eat meat so apparently I am a 'speciesist', the moral equivalent of a racist or sexist, and therefore a bad person.

Not everyone can eat all the foods identified as important. Nor can they afford to be philosophically picky.

Yes Marjoramblues, the topic has been slightly derailed, but as you'll soon notice that tends to happen around here during the course of conversation, at least that's what I've noticed, since I've been here. And yes in this particular instance, I was the culprit, should I be drawn and quartered? My humble apologies, I forgot for a second what was truly important in life.

P.S. What's the big deal anyway? Are you a chef, I mean couldn't you have used Thyme or Basil as a substitute, maybe Oregano?

But as to "The Anti-Christ," I may try and read it one day, for now I see it as an obtuse way of getting a point across, I think that he would have faired better if he had used the tone he used as examples, as an additional means to clarify, because as it stands it sounds way to abrasive, and downright evil at times! It's no wonder that Hitler used it, the way it's written.

And to be completely honest with you all, if your view of him is correct, I believe he would have written it differently if he'd seen the truths of today, that of Hitler and especially the Hydrogen Bomb, (that of MAD), he would have toned it down quite a bit, I'm sure!

[marjoramblues]

SOB: Yes Marjoramblues, the topic has been slightly derailed, but as you'll soon notice that tends to happen around here during the course of conversation, at least that's what I've noticed, since I've been here. And yes in this particular instance, I was the culprit, should I be drawn and quartered? My humble apologies, I forgot for a second what was truly important in life.

P.S. What's the big deal anyway? Are you a chef, I mean couldn't you have used Thyme or Basil as a substitute, maybe Oregano?

No biggie, balls person.

[chaz wyman]

This is all you need to read about the Gerson Therapy:

"Gerson Therapy: History". National Cancer Institute. February 26, 2010.
"Gerson Therapy". American Cancer Society. April 22, 2009.

Chaz where are these two resources located?

From these institutions own Journals.

But to be honest with you Chaz, it won't make any difference what they say, because like I said, I've been researching it for several years now.

Oh wow!! Then you are the expert! WIth your PhD in Oncology and your years' of experience in the medical profession we can all ask you for your advice!!!
Oh hang on - but you don't even know where to get hold of the peer reviewed academic journals???

I don't do research simply by reading an opponents words, because of course they're going to promote their side due to their conflict of interests, instead I look for parallel information from multiple unaffiliated sources, if I see a pattern of support emerge, then I see that as the most logical indicator of truth. If on the other hand I find many parallel facts from unrelated sources to the negative, then I pass it by.
Blah, blah.
I have found many things to support the Gerson Therapy.
And those who support the KKK, Flat earth society, UFOs, Faith healing, Homeopathy ad nauseam...
Also there have been many testimonials of their patients. And as far as your assertion of people only "thinking" they have cancer goes, that's all hog wash. The Gerson institute absolutely refuses to diagnose any patients cancer, and instead insists that they shall only accept patients, that have gone to their regular allopathic doctors and already been diagnosed. Only then will they accept a patient. Many of the Gerson patients that 'recovered' had been told by their allopathic doctors that there was nothing more that could be done to save them, and to get their affairs in order prior to their impending death. After weighing all the evidence I know that the Gerson Therapy is the only cure that actually addresses the causal's of the disease itself and not just it's effects. There's nothing I hate worse than allopathic doctors merely treating a disease's symptoms. But no worries the allopathic doctors are good for something, as mentioned above. Yesterday, Wednesday, the 2nd of May I went to see one, he felt the growth, that I've been tracking for four months now, and decided that he didn't think it was cancer, but he couldn't be sure via palpitation, so he scheduled an ultrasound for sometime in the near future, he said it could be up to a month from now. And I said, "So it can get bigger, that's nice." That really pissed him off! Obviously I'm going to start working the Gerson therapy right now just in case, It's pretty strict, and to be honest I won't initially be toeing the line, but shall instead, slowly increase my compliance over time.

Do you think that morons deserve to die of ignorance and stupidity?
Maybe you are just too mean to pay for proper medicine?


Hey, thanks for your time! You prickly old codger you!

Take some good advice and visit a proper doctor - then at least you will have a choice!

~But absolutely do not follow the Gerson advice to imbibe hydrogen peroxide, or raw liver!!! You will fuck yourself up.

[SpheresOfBalance]

SOB reads N at face value. And is probably the main example of what N is overtly speaking against: pity.
How was your child born, Lance? What if she was born mentally impaired? Where's your pity, would you flush her down the toilet in the name of Power?

SOB asserts a type of humanistic moral of kindness,
of 'concern for things one would not otherwise be concerned about'.
If you believe you speak of norms, what does this say of humanity.

His defence stems from a 'goodness' that involves all of humanity, as if humanity in all its forms arise against education or intelligence where those who are 'bad' are more or less ignorant and so are deserving of pity.
It's good to see that you believe that you can actually speak for me, put words in my mouth, as if you are in fact me; a fools parade! Your bit about education and intelligence is unclear. They are ignorant and deserve pity, not for their 'badness' but rather, what it was, that they experienced, that gave way to their 'badness,' they are impoverished, both as to understanding, and usually means. But of course this is intellectually speaking, emotionally speaking, I'm like you lance, as we have discussed, and would be hard pressed not to kill he who killed my family. The forever that is death is my only quagmire of emotional entanglement.

Humanity is one great tender life that deserves pity by those who have the intelligence to know what is good for all of humanity.
It doesn't require much intelligence whatsoever, your life if the only one that you have dominion over, pure and simple, as you are the only one that has to answer for it, as in the end, only you are standing at the gates of infinity.
N's buzz words are offensive. 'Power' and 'weak' arouse suspicion in that these words derive from SOB's moral ideology of power.
All wrong, mine is not that of power, mine is that of right! Yours and his is that of concerning yourself with the running of the lives of others, mine is only concerning oneself with oneself. If everyone saw this truth, there would be no 'bad' whatsoever, as everyone would only concentrate on their lives, unless of course they saw the needs of themselves in the eyes of their neighbor, at which time they could extend a hand and pull themselves from the abyss of their neighbors folly, help being the cry of need.

...while SOB with the 'christian'. And this is a logical correspondance.
I see any correspondence in the bits and the label christian as that of many terabytes; that any particular bits are not the definitive christian and actually that, of which I speak, of humanity. Thus the word christian in this case is misused, merely as a means of slander, and thus a result of ignorance.

Yet they will not communicate. this is to say, that even if Chaz does have a comprhension of N, he is utterly unable to get SOB to understand it, for SOB does understand it, in that he understands what he understand, what he is able to understand, just as likewise Chaz understands how he is able. The over-man premise fails.
Not objective! It is loaded, with the bias of previous and similar interests, and serves only in the shadow of mob rule, as if the majority are necessarily correct, ideologically, of a superior nature. It's illusory and strokes both self and a perceived relative colleague. While the end result attests to equality, the verbiage attests to what I've said above.

All can understand, all are able, one only sees it otherwise as a means to elevate self above others, the true test of a weak mind, and we must help them to perish.


This is my understaning of N:
Correct, 'your' understanding!

I see Chaz and SOB discussion as concerning the truth of the Object, and the truth of the object is always located in a moral scheme of knowledge. N would have us relieve ourselves of such idolitry, of discussion of truth. For the real power comes - and I refer to the 3rd section of AC (I believe) -- in the unwilled. the exception that arouses fear and reprisal because his actions are not based in an 'evolution' or a 'progress'. He actions are fundamentally non-moral: they are entirely assertive of power: the Will of Power. But this is not power in the typical Christian moralistic 'we should have pity on all the ill-informed souls', but power that enacts due to its basis in existance, it is power that is unjustified activity as existance, and thus is totally justified at all times -- that is except by those who see such power as offensive to them, as it arouses resentment, and thus a further moralistic assertion of righteousness and ideological power.

Now, here is the clincher: niether will you understand what I am saying, or rather, if indeed you do, there is not getting beyond (as K) The Universal: and so the over-man is lost.
As if you can, above another, and is the crux of the disparity between peoples. That of selfish pride is lost. Only the humble can truly understand the truth of everyone, as they allow for all experience of all time and all position, as the unknown as it is, to each and every one of us, as we only truly know that we don't know, through the eyes of another, and thus our own.

thus I see K as the more 'considerate' of philosophers, but both were proposing the same situation; the situation that can only be relieved by an 'unwilling', or a 'teleological suspension of the ethical'.
For you, this is true, there is no doubt.

Edit: Punctuation

[SpheresOfBalance]

This is all you need to read about the Gerson Therapy:

"Gerson Therapy: History". National Cancer Institute. February 26, 2010.
"Gerson Therapy". American Cancer Society. April 22, 2009.

Chaz where are these two resources located?

From these institutions own Journals.

But to be honest with you Chaz, it won't make any difference what they say, because like I said, I've been researching it for several years now.

Oh wow!! Then you are the expert! WIth your PhD in Oncology and your years' of experience in the medical profession we can all ask you for your advice!!!
Oh hang on - but you don't even know where to get hold of the peer reviewed academic journals???

I don't do research simply by reading an opponents words, because of course they're going to promote their side due to their conflict of interests, instead I look for parallel information from multiple unaffiliated sources, if I see a pattern of support emerge, then I see that as the most logical indicator of truth. If on the other hand I find many parallel facts from unrelated sources to the negative, then I pass it by.
Blah, blah.
I have found many things to support the Gerson Therapy.
And those who support the KKK, Flat earth society, UFOs, Faith healing, Homeopathy ad nauseam...
Also there have been many testimonials of their patients. And as far as your assertion of people only "thinking" they have cancer goes, that's all hog wash. The Gerson institute absolutely refuses to diagnose any patients cancer, and instead insists that they shall only accept patients, that have gone to their regular allopathic doctors and already been diagnosed. Only then will they accept a patient. Many of the Gerson patients that 'recovered' had been told by their allopathic doctors that there was nothing more that could be done to save them, and to get their affairs in order prior to their impending death. After weighing all the evidence I know that the Gerson Therapy is the only cure that actually addresses the causal's of the disease itself and not just it's effects. There's nothing I hate worse than allopathic doctors merely treating a disease's symptoms. But no worries the allopathic doctors are good for something, as mentioned above. Yesterday, Wednesday, the 2nd of May I went to see one, he felt the growth, that I've been tracking for four months now, and decided that he didn't think it was cancer, but he couldn't be sure via palpitation, so he scheduled an ultrasound for sometime in the near future, he said it could be up to a month from now. And I said, "So it can get bigger, that's nice." That really pissed him off! Obviously I'm going to start working the Gerson therapy right now just in case, It's pretty strict, and to be honest I won't initially be toeing the line, but shall instead, slowly increase my compliance over time.

Do you think that morons deserve to die of ignorance and stupidity?
Maybe you are just too mean to pay for proper medicine?


Hey, thanks for your time! You prickly old codger you!

Take some good advice and visit a proper doctor - then at least you will have a choice!

~But absolutely do not follow the Gerson advice to imbibe hydrogen peroxide, or raw liver!!! You will fuck yourself up.

As to H2O2: 'God' you're a fucking idiot, they specifically say NOT to take it internally, for external application only, which is what it's for in the first place. I'll talk to you no more about this, as to it's knowledge, you're a mental midget! Your ignorance of the Gerson Therapy currently, knows no bounds. Only a fool speaks of things they know absolutely nothing about. Fuck off FREAK! You're a fucking idiot sometimes, do you know that? I have the book in my hands, what, have you searched and found some bullshit source on the internet? What a fucking fool you can be.

And if you're smart enough to believe that your point here says something of N's A-C then I laugh again, as I have that book as well.

You can say that "the cow jumped over the moon," but I know that it's just a nursery rhyme.

[SpheresOfBalance]

SOB: Yes Marjoramblues, the topic has been slightly derailed, but as you'll soon notice that tends to happen around here during the course of conversation, at least that's what I've noticed, since I've been here. And yes in this particular instance, I was the culprit, should I be drawn and quartered? My humble apologies, I forgot for a second what was truly important in life.

P.S. What's the big deal anyway? Are you a chef, I mean couldn't you have used Thyme or Basil as a substitute, maybe Oregano?

No biggie, balls person.

I wasn't making fun or light of your nym, not at all, jut pondering the connection of those two words and how they could have possibly come together, just trying to be humorous. I can't see 'ballsperson' in the same light, care to expound?