Falling in love at first sight

[chaz wyman]

the only way to be happy is to love and until you do your life will flash by

Being in Love can make life pass very quickly too.

[reasonemotion]

show me the stats to prove it.....

[chaz wyman]

show me the stats to prove it.....

I could ask you the same. What makes you think not being in live will make your life "FLASH BY"?

Clearly its experiential!

[reasonemotion]

The problems with incest are staggeringly over exaggerated.

Please go no further. Take the time to view "Savage Grace" brilliantly acted true story.

Julianne Moore is Barbara Daly and Eddie Redmayne plays the beautiful son Tony.
It is a sensational, lurid story: erotic and repulsive by overlapping turn. And it's pulp fact. Barbara Daly was the would-be actress, artist and social alpinist who in postwar New York married wealthy Brooks Baekeland, a travel writer and heir to the Bakelite fortune. Her drinking, her propensity for making a scene in public, and her weakness for pseudo-bohemian adulterous flings evidently made the marriage a living hell. She could find a smothering intimacy only with her gay son, Tony Daly. Mother, father and son created a dysfunctional love triangle which ended in violence and bloodshed.

[chaz wyman]

The problems with incest are staggeringly over exaggerated.

Please go no further. Take the time to view "Savage Grace" brilliantly acted true story.

Julianne Moore is Barbara Daly and Eddie Redmayne plays the beautiful son Tony.
It is a sensational, lurid story: erotic and repulsive by overlapping turn. And it's pulp fact. Barbara Daly was the would-be actress, artist and social alpinist who in postwar New York married wealthy Brooks Baekeland, a travel writer and heir to the Bakelite fortune. Her drinking, her propensity for making a scene in public, and her weakness for pseudo-bohemian adulterous flings evidently made the marriage a living hell. She could find a smothering intimacy only with her gay son, Tony Daly. Mother, father and son created a dysfunctional love triangle which ended in violence and bloodshed.

3points.
1) Mother and a homsexual son relationship has nothing to do with the genetic problems of "incest"
2) This film has nothing to do with incest - unless they fucked.
3) This is one of two films that I actually got out of my seat and left the cinema before the end.

Do you even bother to read other people's posts before you comment on them. I have not forgotten your confusion of Martin Luther with his namesake Dr. King.

PS. When we quote from a source it is polite not to pretend that it is your own and give credit where it is due - in this case the Guardian Newspaper.

[reasonemotion]

3points.
1) Mother and a homsexual son relationship has nothing to do with the genetic problems of "incest"
2) This film has nothing to do with incest - unless they fucked.
3) This is one of two films that I actually got out of my seat and left the cinema before the end.

Since, you left the cinema before the end you are not qualified to give an educated opinion.

The mother and son did have a sexual relationship. I do know what incest means, and I wonder why you resort to crude descriptions when you are feeling "superior". The description of the film I inserted was far more articulate than I could have given, as the film affected me so much, I chose that review and it was word for word and easily traced, which you did. I had no intention of disguising that fact. The seriousness of your statement was my main objective to quell the casual attitude you adopted towards incest. CW, you are like a tiger in the trees now ready to leap out (quote from The Joy Luck Club (1993) You are a man, no more no less. Get used to it and stop thinking you are omnipotent.

[chaz wyman]

3points.
1) Mother and a homsexual son relationship has nothing to do with the genetic problems of "incest"
2) This film has nothing to do with incest - unless they fucked.
3) This is one of two films that I actually got out of my seat and left the cinema before the end.

Since, you left the cinema before the end you are not qualified to give an educated opinion.

No so. I don't have to sit through the whole film to know it was not relevant to the point that you rebutted.

The mother and son did have a sexual relationship.

And what of the child they produced?

I do know what incest means, and I wonder why you resort to crude descriptions when you are feeling "superior".
The description of the film I inserted was far more articulate than I could have given, as the film affected me so much, I chose that review and it was word for word and easily traced, which you did. I had no intention of disguising that fact. The seriousness of your statement was my main objective to quell the casual attitude you adopted towards incest.

I took a scientific stance not a casual one.

CW, you are like a tiger in the trees now ready to leap out (quote from The Joy Luck Club (1993) You are a man, no more no less. Get used to it and stop thinking you are omnipotent.

Methinks she doth protest too much. You still have not pointed out from your one paultry anecdote why you think any of this is relevant.

[reasonemotion]

The mother and son did have a sexual relationship.

And what of the child they produced?


Huh?

Are we talking about the same film. At what point did you leave the cinema and may I ask why you did? I am beginning to have serious doubts that you did in fact see the film.

[chaz wyman]

The mother and son did have a sexual relationship.

And what of the child they produced?


Huh?

Are we talking about the same film. At what point did you leave the cinema and may I ask why you did? I am beginning to have serious doubts that you did in fact see the film.

Yes what about the child???? So you are saying that they did not make a child!

My comment was this:

The problems with incest are staggeringly over exaggerated.
Anthropologically the prohibition on incest is to do with exogamy, and nothing to do with genetic abnormalities.
99%+ of brother sister couplings produce sound progeny. Problems, where present, can emerge if this is done too much. But the actual mating of close relatives does not of itself introduce faulty genes.

The problems suffered by the Mother and son in this film have nothing to do with my comments on incest.

Further you do not have an argument here against incest in any sense - their problems were extreme but sadly not restricted to incestuous relationships at all. Many exogamous relationships can have the same problems. So basically you are just blowing hot air, by taking a particular example and blowing it to a generalisation - that is a classic fallacy.

[reasonemotion]

I took a scientific stance


and, I took a humanistic approach, in this instance because I see the scientific only stance as dehumanizing and ill equiped to capture the abusive nature of the experience.

Yes what about the child???? So you are saying that they did not make a child!


In the film Savage Grace and from what I have read, there was no child produced from the incestuous relationship between mother (Barbara Daly Baekeland) and son (Tony). If you have information to the contrary why are you not producing it? It is of no consequence in this instance as my objection is primarily directed towards the act of incest, not the possible repercusions of it.

[chaz wyman]

[quote="reasonemotion"]I took a scientific stance


and, I took a humanistic approach, in this instance because I see the scientific only stance as dehumanizing and ill equiped to capture the abusive nature of the experience.


You have no right to judge all incest on one film

You have no right to tell me to "go no further". I was SPECIFICALLY talking about genetics.
Many relationships are dysfucntional, not all incestuous ones are, and not all "normal" ones are happy.
You are just blowing hot air.



/quote]

[reasonemotion]

This is one of two films that I actually got out of my seat and left the cinema before the end.


I rest my case.

[chaz wyman]

This is one of two films that I actually got out of my seat and left the cinema before the end.


I rest my case.

Pathetic.
Unlike you I base my knowledge of incest on more than one poorly acted film.

[The Voice of Time]

Pathetic.
Unlike you I base my knowledge of incest on more than one poorly acted film.

What do we call this? oh, Flame Alert! Flame Alert! Flame Alert!

[SpheresOfBalance]

Actually, It's falling in lust at first sight, as most sex therapists agree that the initial attraction between human male and female is purely sexual in nature. After the two start talking there is a chance that this 'crazy little thing called love,' can actually spark.