The Fabric of Space

[SpheresOfBalance]

If every star is red shifted then only a one way street is being observed, so where are all those stars that are closing? One could look at this and believe that earth is the center of the universe, but it is a falsehood to juxtapose two unknowns and then say they prove one another, those two being the location of the center of the universe and the expansion of the universe as indicated by a red shift. In addition one has to consider supernovas where a stars remains and thus it's shock wave is dispersed omnidirectionally, such that it could be considered curious that we don't see visible light being shifted towards the ultra violet, as surly, a supernova sets things in motion.

And lets not forget that electromagnetic radiation can be either reflected, scattered, or absorbed, and how this might present itself within the theory of dark matter, dark energy and dark flow.[/color]

I think we have to accept that both effects are real ,
Michael Lewis accepts that within a non expanding universe ,
we would still see the doppler effect from the rotation of galaxies ,etc
so both are creating the same effect , which is yet to be determined ,
for any one example ,
I don't think Chaz or anyone else can prove the bbt is any more real ,
than my Cosmic Rainbow model ,
and I suppose that pisses off the old die hards clinging to their precious ,
they worked hard to know what they do ,
how dare I come along and turn it all on it's head , without proof ,,!!![/quote]
Yes I should have added the fact that from our perspective a rotating galaxy, that can be rotating on any variable particular plane should give rise to an ultra violet shift or a variable infrared shift depending upon the supposed universe expansion relative to both our movement and that of the spiral universe being observed.

[SpheresOfBalance]

the process of red shifting is not being challenged ,
the question is whats causing it ,
so even in the expanding Universe model light red shifts then radio waves ,
then I presume according to your theory audio ,
that would be reality , with both models ,
so your theory can't be correct,

What are you saying? That sound waves don't experience the equivalent of red shift?

The Doppler effect is a two way street. With sound waves, there is both a compression and an expansion, and this phenomena is best appreciated, with a closest point of approach (CPA). At the relatively close proximities here on earth this effect is readily discernible.

If every star is red shifted then only a one way street is being observed, so where are all those stars that are closing? One could look at this and believe that earth is the center of the universe, but it is a falsehood to juxtapose two unknowns and then say they prove one another, those two being the location of the center of the universe and the expansion of the universe as indicated by a red shift. In addition one has to consider supernovas where a stars remains and thus it's shock wave is dispersed omnidirectionally, such that it could be considered curious that we don't see visible light being shifted towards the ultra violet, as surly, a supernova sets things in motion.

And lets not forget that electromagnetic radiation can be either reflected, scattered, or absorbed, and how this might present itself within the theory of dark matter, dark energy and dark flow.

Addendum: One also must consider the fact that from our perspective a rotating galaxy, that can be rotating on any variable plane of particular relativity, should give rise to an ultra violet shift or a variable infrared shift relative to the expanding universe, our movement and that of the spiral universe being observed.

[Godfree]

Ultra Violet , indeed , I would assume all the colours are there ,
one of the areas computer software will improve is in higher colour recognition,
reading the cosmos requires exact colour indentification ,
if tired light/the cosmic rainbow is correct ,
distance will be determined by the colour , currently they are saying movement equals colour so the red shift is further out than the blue but doesn't give us a
exact distance , we have to look to other means to prove this ,
so working out the decay rate of light , maths can and has done this ,
then we can use this as a cosmic yardstick,
one day a brave individual will take on the challenge ,
of creating a picture as it is today , not 12 and 13 billion year old out of date images ,no where everything is NOW ,
imagine the maths working that little sucker out,,!!!

[Godfree]

Correction , the web site I mentioned earlier should read,
http://www.bigbangneverhappened.org
and incase you missed it ,
godfrees law of galaxy motion,
"All galaxies are moving towards their nearest galaxy"
that is the observational data , that is what we see ,
clumps of galaxies with big gaps in between ,
not expanding apart , clumping together ,
this everything is expanding away from everything else ,
is nothing but fantasy , and will be exposed for it's stupidity ,
just as I am doing here many others are doing similar ,
the evidence against the bb is growing ,and the facts support,
a non expanding universe