Science , Fiction or Fact

[attofishpi]

because you failed to come up with a specific ,
I had nothing to disprove ,
religion on the other hand can and does come up with specifics ,
creation is a common specific , most religions imagine god created us ,
and this I can disprove ,, evolution has been proved over and over again ,
while you may argue proving creation is not how we came to be ,
does not disprove god , it removes the reason it was invented ,
to explain how we came to be ,
we can also disprove other claims of religion such as eternity ,
if the bbt is correct , nothing existed before the bang ,,ie , no god ,
and we can go on to disprove most of the claims religion will make ,
Noahs ark , two by two , wrong ,, impossible ,
any farmer can tell you , 100 animals of each species would be required to restart a healthy population , the DNA just proves it again ,,!!!
so after we have dis-proven all the claims of religion ,
you would say god is still not dis-proven ,,???
so I still have to ask Chaz ,
what would you consider proof ,,????
it appears no amount of proof will be enough for Chaz ,
but you deny seeing god as possible ,,,????
so it's not impossible , and it's not possible ,
you seem to be trying to have it both ways ,
refuse to admit you see god as possible ,
and refuse to see god is impossible,
admit it Chaz , you just like being difficult ,,,!!!

And you are still a moron. Everything you have mentioned DOES NOT disprove God.

Noahs Ark...do you really think an intelligent Theist would even consider the notion? Godfree...200 years ago you would have been a preacher telling the masses how the animals went two by two, cos you are too inept to think outside of the metaphorical box.

[John]

Noahs ark , two by two , wrong ,, impossible ,
any farmer can tell you , 100 animals of each species would be required to restart a healthy population , the DNA just proves it again ,,!!!

Oh dear god I laughed at this. You're not honestly putting this forward as part of a "proof" of the non-existence of God are you?

You don't need to ask a farmer about DNA to dismiss the ark story as literally true You could prove everything in the Bible was untrue and it wouldn't advance your case.

[artisticsolution]

Noahs ark , two by two , wrong ,, impossible ,
any farmer can tell you , 100 animals of each species would be required to restart a healthy population , the DNA just proves it again ,,!!!

Oh dear god I laughed at this. You're not honestly putting this forward as part of a "proof" of the non-existence of God are you?

You don't need to ask a farmer about DNA to dismiss the ark story as literally true You could prove everything in the Bible was untrue and it wouldn't advance your case.

John is absolutely right here. "Godbotherers" don't need earthly truths or facts to prove God's existence. Remember, God is Omnipotent. He can perform miracles. There is no logic to it...only faith.

[SpheresOfBalance]

because you failed to come up with a specific ,
I had nothing to disprove ,
religion on the other hand can and does come up with specifics ,
creation is a common specific , most religions imagine god created us ,
and this I can disprove ,, evolution has been proved over and over again ,
while you may argue proving creation is not how we came to be ,
does not disprove god , it removes the reason it was invented ,
to explain how we came to be ,
we can also disprove other claims of religion such as eternity ,
if the bbt is correct , nothing existed before the bang ,,ie , no god ,
and we can go on to disprove most of the claims religion will make ,
Noahs ark , two by two , wrong ,, impossible ,
any farmer can tell you , 100 animals of each species would be required to restart a healthy population , the DNA just proves it again ,,!!!
so after we have dis-proven all the claims of religion ,
you would say god is still not dis-proven ,,???
so I still have to ask Chaz ,
what would you consider proof ,,????
it appears no amount of proof will be enough for Chaz ,
but you deny seeing god as possible ,,,????
so it's not impossible , and it's not possible ,
you seem to be trying to have it both ways ,
refuse to admit you see god as possible ,
and refuse to see god is impossible,
admit it Chaz , you just like being difficult ,,,!!!

And you are still a moron.
An aberration of self stroking.

Everything you have mentioned DOES NOT disprove God.

Noahs Ark...do you really think an intelligent Theist would even consider the notion? Godfree...200 years ago you would have been a preacher telling the masses how the animals went two by two, cos you are too inept to think outside of the metaphorical box.

You should have dropped the first sentence if you really intended to be taken seriously.
Elitists and their self sucking is hilarious! How old are you, of course I mean mentally?

[chaz wyman]

Chaz, you don't know Philosophy. All you have is an opinion. Go away now.

I'm here everyday. I think you need to be the one to fuck off.

[chaz wyman]

Chaz, you don't know Philosophy. All you have is an opinion. Go away now.

Chaz has this little problem, he's a megalomaniac.

I bested him in the, "what's stopping us from seeing the truth" thread.

I think not. You are the one that ran away with your tail between your leg and couldn't put me on IGNORE quick enough.


We had been arguing and he stated that his was a skeptical point of view, at which point I asked him 'when is a skeptic not a skeptic' and at the same time answered, 'when he's not skeptical of his skepticism' at which, he could only muster, 'one can't be skeptical of everything.' In addition another stated that I'd never get Chaz to admit defeat, ever. At which time I realized that he's a megalomaniac, he suffers of delusions of his grandeur. His type is commonly called a 'Mr. know-it-all.'

Once again you shoot yourself in the foot. That was the point when you ran away, because you could not accept that a person could justifiably be skeptical of some things but not everything. That makes YOU the megalomaniac. Indeed you show it with your myth of absolute truth which you cling to like a drowning man clutching at a straw in fear.



So I then placed him on my foe list effectively ignoring his childish nature of name calling when he's frustrated.

And showed your self to be the coward that you are.
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[chaz wyman]

You are beginning to sound like a paranoiac.
I have nothing against you as such, just the idiotic assertion that you can disprove God.
Now that you have demonstrated that you , indeed, cannot do that, we can, hopefully get back on track with some other arguments.
But I doubt you will be big enough to admit to your error.

Because you failed to come up with a specific ,
I had nothing to disprove ,

You have nothing that you CAN disprove you moron.

religion on the other hand can and does come up with specifics ,
creation is a common specific , most religions imagine god created us ,
That is another matter.
and this I can disprove ,, evolution has been proved over and over again ,
That is another matter
while you may argue proving creation is not how we came to be ,
does not disprove god , it removes the reason it was invented ,
to explain how we came to be ,
we can also disprove other claims of religion such as eternity ,
Idiot - go on then. You keep saying these things as if they are true but you cannot.
if the bbt is correct , nothing existed before the bang ,,ie , no god ,
But you don't even accept that, you are so stupid.
and we can go on to disprove most of the claims religion will make ,
Noahs ark , two by two , wrong ,, impossible ,

That is another matter
any farmer can tell you , 100 animals of each species would be required to restart a healthy population , the DNA just proves it again ,,!!!
so after we have dis-proven all the claims of religion ,
you would say god is still not dis-proven ,,???

That is another matter
so I still have to ask Chaz ,
what would you consider proof ,,????
I told you 10000 times, idiot
it appears no amount of proof will be enough for Chaz ,
WHy don't you start?
but you deny seeing god as possible ,,,????
so it's not impossible , and it's not possible ,
you seem to be trying to have it both ways ,
refuse to admit you see god as possible ,
and refuse to see god is impossible,
admit it Chaz , you just like being difficult ,,,!!!

Arguing with you is not difficult.
You make claims and say nothing. Let's face it you can't even reply without fucking up the "quote" function.
You have nothing to say, except claims you cannot support.
You have even admitted you are wrong by showing me exactly what I said was true, but you are too dull and stupid to see it!

[attofishpi]

because you failed to come up with a specific ,
I had nothing to disprove ,
religion on the other hand can and does come up with specifics ,
creation is a common specific , most religions imagine god created us ,
and this I can disprove ,, evolution has been proved over and over again ,
while you may argue proving creation is not how we came to be ,
does not disprove god , it removes the reason it was invented ,
to explain how we came to be ,
we can also disprove other claims of religion such as eternity ,
if the bbt is correct , nothing existed before the bang ,,ie , no god ,
and we can go on to disprove most of the claims religion will make ,
Noahs ark , two by two , wrong ,, impossible ,
any farmer can tell you , 100 animals of each species would be required to restart a healthy population , the DNA just proves it again ,,!!!
so after we have dis-proven all the claims of religion ,
you would say god is still not dis-proven ,,???
so I still have to ask Chaz ,
what would you consider proof ,,????
it appears no amount of proof will be enough for Chaz ,
but you deny seeing god as possible ,,,????
so it's not impossible , and it's not possible ,
you seem to be trying to have it both ways ,
refuse to admit you see god as possible ,
and refuse to see god is impossible,
admit it Chaz , you just like being difficult ,,,!!!

And you are still a moron.
An aberration of self stroking.

Everything you have mentioned DOES NOT disprove God.

Noahs Ark...do you really think an intelligent Theist would even consider the notion? Godfree...200 years ago you would have been a preacher telling the masses how the animals went two by two, cos you are too inept to think outside of the metaphorical box.

You should have dropped the first sentence if you really intended to be taken seriously.
Elitists and their self sucking is hilarious! How old are you, of course I mean mentally?

I agree, condescension is rather immature...
I apologise whole heartedly to Godfree...

[chaz wyman]

Noahs ark , two by two , wrong ,, impossible ,
any farmer can tell you , 100 animals of each species would be required to restart a healthy population , the DNA just proves it again ,,!!!

Oh dear god I laughed at this. You're not honestly putting this forward as part of a "proof" of the non-existence of God are you?

You don't need to ask a farmer about DNA to dismiss the ark story as literally true You could prove everything in the Bible was untrue and it wouldn't advance your case.

He can't make a simple distinction between scripture, god and religion.

[SpheresOfBalance]

because you failed to come up with a specific ,
I had nothing to disprove ,
religion on the other hand can and does come up with specifics ,
creation is a common specific , most religions imagine god created us ,
and this I can disprove ,, evolution has been proved over and over again ,
while you may argue proving creation is not how we came to be ,
does not disprove god , it removes the reason it was invented ,
to explain how we came to be ,
we can also disprove other claims of religion such as eternity ,
if the bbt is correct , nothing existed before the bang ,,ie , no god ,
and we can go on to disprove most of the claims religion will make ,
Noahs ark , two by two , wrong ,, impossible ,
any farmer can tell you , 100 animals of each species would be required to restart a healthy population , the DNA just proves it again ,,!!!
so after we have dis-proven all the claims of religion ,
you would say god is still not dis-proven ,,???
so I still have to ask Chaz ,
what would you consider proof ,,????
it appears no amount of proof will be enough for Chaz ,
but you deny seeing god as possible ,,,????
so it's not impossible , and it's not possible ,
you seem to be trying to have it both ways ,
refuse to admit you see god as possible ,
and refuse to see god is impossible,
admit it Chaz , you just like being difficult ,,,!!!

And you are still a moron.

An aberration of self stroking.

Everything you have mentioned DOES NOT disprove God.

Noahs Ark...do you really think an intelligent Theist would even consider the notion? Godfree...200 years ago you would have been a preacher telling the masses how the animals went two by two, cos you are too inept to think outside of the metaphorical box.

You should have dropped the first sentence if you really intended to be taken seriously.
Elitists and their self sucking is hilarious! How old are you, of course I mean mentally?

I agree, condescension is rather immature...
I apologise whole heartedly to Godfree...

And I'm sorry that I didn't mention it more diplomatically, thus more in keeping with the maturity level of 'us' adults.

Sorry, attofishpi!

[attofishpi]

And I'm sorry that I didn't mention it more diplomatically, thus more in keeping with the maturity level of 'us' adults.

Sorry, attofishpi!

No worries.

[Godfree]

Noahs ark , two by two , wrong ,, impossible ,
any farmer can tell you , 100 animals of each species would be required to restart a healthy population , the DNA just proves it again ,,!!!

Oh dear god I laughed at this. You're not honestly putting this forward as part of a "proof" of the non-existence of God are you?

You don't need to ask a farmer about DNA to dismiss the ark story as literally true You could prove everything in the Bible was untrue and it wouldn't advance your case.

I disagree ,,man invented god for a reason , to explain what they didn't know ,
how did we come to be , god created us ,,
for all the reasons man created god , we can now offer the real explanation ,
you and I may laugh at the story of Noahs Ark ,
but there are millions of fundamentalists out there who believe it,
after we have proven god was not needed in the making of us ,
what do we need god for ,,?? surely there must come a point at which god is redundant , no longer required ,,past it's use by date ,
throw it in the rubbish time ,
so what would you need to hear to feel we are reaching that point ,
what would you consider proof god does not exist ,
lots of you here tell me my proof is no proof at all ,
but none of you have offered what you would consider proof ,
like you know I'm wrong , but you don't know whats right ,???
maybe I should rephrase this ,
the best proof we have ,,??? have you a better proof ,???

[Godfree]

I like to sum things up , and I can explain whats going on here ,
I'm trying to get you lot to find a reason to move on ,,!!!!
but you are all it seems stubbornly sticking to your known universe ,
the world needs to move on , to drop this religion and get real ,
you all seem to be saying , we don't think you have enough evidence ,
we don't want to move on , we want to stay here in the comfort and security of the known universe , what most scientists believe , is the truth ,
most people believe god is real ,
what most people think is no more likely to be real or the truth ,
than my lone opinion ,
is religion sane , not in my opinion , is society sane , most of them are religous , therefore no they are not sane ,
should I trust their opinion , NO,,!!!
I should say not all of you ,just most of you ,,

[John]

I disagree ,,man invented god for a reason , to explain what they didn't know ,
how did we come to be , god created us ,,
for all the reasons man created god , we can now offer the real explanation ,
you and I may laugh at the story of Noahs Ark ,
but there are millions of fundamentalists out there who believe it,

Yes but which god are you trying to disprove? Just the Christian God or all the conceptions of God that exist out there? Where do you go when you think you've disproved the Christian idea of God? You moving on to Hinduism next?

after we have proven god was not needed in the making of us ,
what do we need god for ,,?? surely there must come a point at which god is redundant , no longer required ,,past it's use by date ,

This is what you don't seem to get: it doesn't matter whether you need God or not because that doesn't disprove anything. If you don't need something to explain a phenomena then there's no need to include it in the explanation but that's not the same as disproving it.

what would you consider proof god does not exist ,
lots of you here tell me my proof is no proof at all ,
but none of you have offered what you would consider proof ,

You are chasing shadows.

like you know I'm wrong , but you don't know whats right ,???

Why is it a surprise that I don't "know" whether there's a God? Of course I don't "know" whether there's a God but that doesn't affect what I may believe or what assumptions I may accept as reasonable. I can't "know" whether there's a God because the concept is presented in such a way that there's always a gap he or she could be hiding in.

maybe I should rephrase this ,
the best proof we have ,,??? have you a better proof ,???

You have an argument for the non existence of God based on an ability to understand the world around us without recourse to supernatural intervention. I don't know why you're not happy with that.

What I reasonably believe and what I emphatically know are not the same things.

Incidentally, could you not use more conventional punctuation to make your writing a little more pleasant to read?

[attofishpi]

How does pantheism or panentheism fit into Godfree's annihilation of God, i wonder?