Science , Fiction or Fact

[chaz wyman]

But religion really has no power today like it did. The experts agree that it lost it in the latter 1800's. The 1900's and beyond, thus far, know no religious superiority, and I can't honestly see it regaining it's dominance. It's a has been, so why keep beating a dead horse?

It would seem you have a hard-on for religion, so I ask, were you once an alter-boy of a victim of a would be priest?

Religion has never been stronger than it is now in the US, where it is political suicide to suggest you might be an agnostic or an atheist. This is paradoxical in a state that supposedly keeps the church separate.

[Godfree]

Religion has never been stronger than it is now in the US, where it is political suicide to suggest you might be an agnostic or an atheist. This is paradoxical in a state that supposedly keeps the church separate.
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The pioneers set up western society for the christians,
the charitable trust scam is how they continue to fund religion ,
despite being a "secular society"
Maori had there own religion , but that didn't qualify ,
white man insisted it had to be christian based ,
so Maori came up with the Ratana Church , and joined in the game ,
So heres how it's happening ,
The church being very powerful and now days political ,
will put pressure on various politicians to bower to religious pressure ,
the politicians will play the game , they want to get elected ,
the new migrants are often old world old time religion ,
we have it here in NZ , the people from the pacific ,
are often religious and looking for that same church based politics ,
when they come to NZ ,
so the western world is becoming more religious not less ,
because the government will ensure this is the case by continually ,
letting more and more religion in the front door ,
don't think this is all by accident , they set it up this way ,
Nz has the american style of politics just starting over here now ,
big budget personality politics about who looks the best ,
or who has the most money , no longer about the politics ,
in case you didn't notice , the church has no opposition ,
even in NZ there is no Atheist representation in parliament ,
despite the fact that we have parties and people who are ,
openly christian and promoting christian values,
there is nobody representing Atheism ,
the western governments had a plan all along ,
get rid of Atheist groups , and only fund religious ones ,
they fund Islam and Hindu etc , by accident ,
they couldn't work out legislation that would deny them without it seeming to be discrimination ,,!!!
so religion is growing from the funds the government gives them,
and Atheism can't even get other Atheists ,,Chaz ,,,
to join forces and present a united front ,
so we will be stuck in this madness forever ,
because Chaz is too stupid to realize he is doing,
religions job for it ,!!!

[chaz wyman]

Religion has never been stronger than it is now in the US, where it is political suicide to suggest you might be an agnostic or an atheist. This is paradoxical in a state that supposedly keeps the church separate.

The pioneers set up western society for the christians,
the charitable trust scam is how they continue to fund religion ,
despite being a "secular society"
Maori had there own religion , but that didn't qualify ,
white man insisted it had to be christian based ,
so Maori came up with the Ratana Church , and joined in the game ,
So heres how it's happening ,
The church being very powerful and now days political ,
will put pressure on various politicians to bower to religious pressure ,
the politicians will play the game , they want to get elected ,
the new migrants are often old world old time religion ,
we have it here in NZ , the people from the pacific ,
are often religious and looking for that same church based politics ,
when they come to NZ ,
so the western world is becoming more religious not less ,
because the government will ensure this is the case by continually ,
letting more and more religion in the front door ,
don't think this is all by accident , they set it up this way ,
Nz has the american style of politics just starting over here now ,
big budget personality politics about who looks the best ,
or who has the most money , no longer about the politics ,
in case you didn't notice , the church has no opposition ,
even in NZ there is no Atheist representation in parliament ,
despite the fact that we have parties and people who are ,
openly christian and promoting christian values,
there is nobody representing Atheism ,
the western governments had a plan all along ,
get rid of Atheist groups , and only fund religious ones ,
they fund Islam and Hindu etc , by accident ,
they couldn't work out legislation that would deny them without it seeming to be discrimination ,,!!!
so religion is growing from the funds the government gives them,
and Atheism can't even get other Atheists ,,Chaz ,,,
to join forces and present a united front ,
so we will be stuck in this madness forever ,
because Chaz is too stupid to realize he is doing,
religions job for it ,!!![/quote]

You will not get anywhere by making false claims.
You cannot disprove god.
What are you actually doing to 'fight'?

[Godfree]

No Chaz , I was never a alter-boy , I was never stupid enough to want ,
to play that game ,
Try and see it from my point of view Chaz ,
I'm an Atheist trying to connect with other Atheists to,
get the concept of Atheism out into society and being debated ,
like news/publicity any news is better than no news ,
cos no news simply means people aren't thinking about it ,
and you come along Chaz ,
do you help my attempt to give Atheism some credibility ,,??? NO
do you offer any support or encouragement to a fellow Atheist ,,NO ,
you are more of a spanner in the works than the religious amongst us ,,???
I think you are wrong Chaz , this can't prove god doesn't exist ,
I think you are wrong ,and I have tried to get you to see ,
one mans proof is another mans here-say ,
things we have proven don't exist ,
Nessy
Yeti
Aliens
There are many ways we can prove/disprove things
do you imagine there is a proof that the whole world will agree on,,???
proof to who's satisfaction ,,?????
who decides whether a thing is proven or not , you Chaz ,
is it like reality and up to the individual to determine what is proof ,,??
how many people have to agree before you consider it proven,???
for me ,, one ,, me ,, I have to consider it proven ,
proven to my satisfaction , to who's satisfaction are your things proven ,,???
do you claim to be representing earth , the human species ,
exactly who do you claim to be representing here ,
how many "experts" does it take to prove something ,,????????

[chaz wyman]

No Chaz , I was never a alter-boy , I was never stupid enough to want ,
to play that game ,
Try and see it from my point of view Chaz ,
I'm an Atheist trying to connect with other Atheists to,
get the concept of Atheism out into society and being debated ,
like news/publicity any news is better than no news ,
cos no news simply means people aren't thinking about it ,
and you come along Chaz ,
do you help my attempt to give Atheism some credibility ,,??? NO
do you offer any support or encouragement to a fellow Atheist ,,NO ,
you are more of a spanner in the works than the religious amongst us ,,???
I think you are wrong Chaz , this can't prove god doesn't exist ,
I think you are wrong ,and I have tried to get you to see ,
one mans proof is another mans here-say ,
things we have proven don't exist ,
Nessy
Yeti
Aliens
There are many ways we can prove/disprove things
do you imagine there is a proof that the whole world will agree on,,???
proof to who's satisfaction ,,?????
who decides whether a thing is proven or not , you Chaz ,
is it like reality and up to the individual to determine what is proof ,,??
how many people have to agree before you consider it proven,???
for me ,, one ,, me ,, I have to consider it proven ,
proven to my satisfaction , to who's satisfaction are your things proven ,,???
do you claim to be representing earth , the human species ,
exactly who do you claim to be representing here ,
how many "experts" does it take to prove something ,,????????

No one has proven any of the above.
If you want to be taken seriously you have to stop thinking like a theist.
Rejecting god and religion cannot include disprove. It is a dead end street.
No one has proven aliens not to exist. You are mad. THere are possibly millions of earth like planets in the universe - though it is unlikely that they will ever visit, only a COMPLETE FUCKING MORON would ever suggest that there i sno extraterrestrial life, and only A COMPLETE **** would suggest we had DISPROVEN they exist. we will NEVER be able to do that because we could never visit every planet in the universe.
I getting a bit fed up with your ridiculous claims! Can you tell? I have been patient on this topic, across two threads, for well over a week now.

No let's here how you disprove god of fuck off.

[Godfree]

No one has proven any of the above.
If you want to be taken seriously you have to stop thinking like a theist.
Rejecting god and religion cannot include disprove. It is a dead end street.
No one has proven aliens not to exist. You are mad. THere are possibly millions of earth like planets in the universe - though it is unlikely that they will ever visit, only a COMPLETE FUCKING MORON would ever suggest that there i sno extraterrestrial life, and only A COMPLETE **** would suggest we had DISPROVEN they exist. we will NEVER be able to do that because we could never visit every planet in the universe.
I getting a bit fed up with your ridiculous claims! Can you tell? I have been patient on this topic, across two threads, for well over a week now.

No let's here how you disprove god of fuck off.[/quote]

Yes I presume like a lot of people that the chances of life being out there are fairly good , but I was meaning here on earth , aliens have never been here ,
so while we can presume they must exist somewhere ,
like god and Nessy , there is zero proof for their existence , here , earth .
I have just visited a site you might like Chaz
Godisimaginary .com or whydoesn'tgodhealamputees.com
there they claim 50 proofs there is no god ,
so I'm not the only one Chaz like you would suggest ,
So do you imagine we have proved the earth is round , not flat ,
cos we still have a flat earth society ,
have we proven homeopathy is water , they still take the crap ,
give me one thing we have proven Chaz ,
and I will find you a bunch of people who disagree ,
so man up Chaz , find some testosterone , and tell me what is your proof ,
what would you consider proof ,
if you can't imagine what the proof looks or sounds like ,
how would you know it was the proof ,,???
or not as the case may be ,
I think your showing your lack of knowledge on the subject ,
your lack of understanding in regards to what constitutes proof ,
and your lack of testosterone to face the world with the proof ,,!!!
the pressure must be getting to you Chaz ,I presume your last line should be
Now lets hear how you disprove god or fuck off ,,,!!!

[chaz wyman]

No one has proven any of the above.
If you want to be taken seriously you have to stop thinking like a theist.
Rejecting god and religion cannot include disprove. It is a dead end street.
No one has proven aliens not to exist. You are mad. THere are possibly millions of earth like planets in the universe - though it is unlikely that they will ever visit, only a COMPLETE FUCKING MORON would ever suggest that there i sno extraterrestrial life, and only A COMPLETE **** would suggest we had DISPROVEN they exist. we will NEVER be able to do that because we could never visit every planet in the universe.
I getting a bit fed up with your ridiculous claims! Can you tell? I have been patient on this topic, across two threads, for well over a week now.

No let's here how you disprove god of fuck off.

Yes I presume like a lot of people that the chances of life being out there are fairly good , but I was meaning here on earth , aliens have never been here ,
so while we can presume they must exist somewhere ,
like god and Nessy , there is zero proof for their existence , here , earth .

'There is no Proof', is not the same as ' I have disproved.'
Now bugger off!

I have just visited a site you might like Chaz
Godisimaginary .com or whydoesn'tgodhealamputees.com
there they claim 50 proofs there is no god ,
so I'm not the only one Chaz like you would suggest ,
So do you imagine we have proved the earth is round , not flat ,
cos we still have a flat earth society ,
have we proven homeopathy is water , they still take the crap ,
give me one thing we have proven Chaz ,
and I will find you a bunch of people who disagree ,
so man up Chaz , find some testosterone , and tell me what is your proof ,
what would you consider proof ,
if you can't imagine what the proof looks or sounds like ,
how would you know it was the proof ,,???
or not as the case may be ,
I think your showing your lack of knowledge on the subject ,
your lack of understanding in regards to what constitutes proof ,
and your lack of testosterone to face the world with the proof ,,!!!
the pressure must be getting to you Chaz ,I presume your last line should be
Now lets hear how you disprove god or fuck off ,,,!!![/quote]

[Godfree]

Chaz the fundamentalist ,
you are a fundamentalist Chaz , you take the written word literally ,
there is nothing free about your thinking ,
you are as trapped in your fundamentalism , as a christian is in theirs ,
Professor Matt McCormick from Sacramento California ,
has a web site called ,"Atheism: Proving The Negative"
do I have to do all your thinking for you Chaz ,??

[chaz wyman]

Chaz the fundamentalist ,
you are a fundamentalist Chaz , you take the written word literally ,

Take the written word literally?? Are you a moron?

there is nothing free about your thinking ,
you are as trapped in your fundamentalism , as a christian is in theirs ,

Spoken like a true beleiver.
Classic transference, from a fundamentalist.
To you I am a heretic.

Professor Matt McCormick from Sacramento California ,
has a web site called ,"Atheism: Proving The Negative"
do I have to do all your thinking for you Chaz ,??

I've see the website and he agrees with me in all respects.

If you were not such a donkey you would have read past the title of the website.

[Godfree]

Chaz the fundamentalist ,
you are a fundamentalist Chaz , you take the written word literally ,

Take the written word literally?? Are you a moron?

there is nothing free about your thinking ,
you are as trapped in your fundamentalism , as a christian is in theirs ,

Spoken like a true beleiver.
Classic transference, from a fundamentalist.
To you I am a heretic.

Professor Matt McCormick from Sacramento California ,
has a web site called ,"Atheism: Proving The Negative"
do I have to do all your thinking for you Chaz ,??

I've see the website and he agrees with me in all respects.

If you were not such a donkey you would have read past the title of the website.

Good , I'm glad you had a look , strange how we can both agree with Matt ,
just not each other ,
I presume then you agree Atheists don't just argue the existence or not of god,
but also feel the need to defend science and reason , and the need for evidence based knowledge , isn't that what my Atheism is ,,???
and proof Chaz , proven as best as can be ,
if you may recall I was going on about you requiring 100% certainty,
but Matt doesn't he's happy with nearly proven ,proven as best as can be,
and I tried to get you to accept we can prove god doesn't exist ,
feel free to ad as proven as it can be ,
I don't recall claiming 100% certainty, that was you Chaz,
you were the one insisting on 100% , have you now changed your mind ,
will you accept Matts definition of proof ,,???

[chaz wyman]

Chaz the fundamentalist ,
you are a fundamentalist Chaz , you take the written word literally ,

Take the written word literally?? Are you a moron?

there is nothing free about your thinking ,
you are as trapped in your fundamentalism , as a christian is in theirs ,

Spoken like a true beleiver.
Classic transference, from a fundamentalist.
To you I am a heretic.

Professor Matt McCormick from Sacramento California ,
has a web site called ,"Atheism: Proving The Negative"
do I have to do all your thinking for you Chaz ,??

I've see the website and he agrees with me in all respects.

If you were not such a donkey you would have read past the title of the website.

Good , I'm glad you had a look , strange how we can both agree with Matt ,
just not each other ,
I presume then you agree Atheists don't just argue the existence or not of god,
but also feel the need to defend science and reason , and the need for evidence based knowledge , isn't that what my Atheism is ,,???
and proof Chaz , proven as best as can be ,
if you may recall I was going on about you requiring 100% certainty,
but Matt doesn't he's happy with nearly proven ,proven as best as can be,
and I tried to get you to accept we can prove god doesn't exist ,
feel free to ad as proven as it can be ,
I don't recall claiming 100% certainty, that was you Chaz,
you were the one insisting on 100% , have you now changed your mind ,
will you accept Matts definition of proof ,,???

Proof is proof.
You haven't got the first idea of where to begin in your claim to disprove God.

[Godfree]

Take the written word literally?? Are you a moron?
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there is nothing free about your thinking ,
you are as trapped in your fundamentalism , as a christian is in theirs ,

Spoken like a true beleiver.
Classic transference, from a fundamentalist.
To you I am a heretic.

Professor Matt McCormick from Sacramento California ,
has a web site called ,"Atheism: Proving The Negative"
do I have to do all your thinking for you Chaz ,??[/quote]

I've see the website and he agrees with me in all respects.

If you were not such a donkey you would have read past the title of the website.[/quote]
Good , I'm glad you had a look , strange how we can both agree with Matt ,
just not each other ,
I presume then you agree Atheists don't just argue the existence or not of god,
but also feel the need to defend science and reason , and the need for evidence based knowledge , isn't that what my Atheism is ,,???
and proof Chaz , proven as best as can be ,
if you may recall I was going on about you requiring 100% certainty,
but Matt doesn't he's happy with nearly proven ,proven as best as can be,
and I tried to get you to accept we can prove god doesn't exist ,
feel free to ad as proven as it can be ,
I don't recall claiming 100% certainty, that was you Chaz,
you were the one insisting on 100% , have you now changed your mind ,
will you accept Matts definition of proof ,,???[/quote]

Proof is proof.
You haven't got the first idea of where to begin in your claim to disprove God.[/quote]
Well as usual you just refuse to see my points ,
proof , how many times did I ask you to define for you what constitutes proof,
and you never do ,,,you attack me for not coming up with the proof ,
but you don't know what that is ,
the methodology if you like for disproving god is to demonstrate ,
why it isn't possible to exist and do the god thing , without ,
coming up with a mechanism by which it could exist ,
in other words , if you can't come up with how ,
then it is until that point impossible ,
so we look at god as a part of the science , the known universe ,
it doesn't fit , there is no such thing in the known universe ,
god doesn't exist , because , we can't explain how such a thing could be possible ,
just like Chaz can't explain what proof is ,,
if you are going to say we can fantasize and invent a god ,
then I don't have to disprove a fantasy ,
so disprove what again Chaz , can you be exact , explain this god and how it exists please ,,,????

[chaz wyman]

Well as usual you just refuse to see my points ,
proof , how many times did I ask you to define for you what constitutes proof,
and you never do ,,,you attack me for not coming up with the proof ,

You have no made ANY points. NOT ONE.

but you don't know what that is ,
the methodology if you like for disproving god is to demonstrate ,
why it isn't possible to exist and do the god thing , without ,
coming up with a mechanism by which it could exist ,
in other words , if you can't come up with how ,
then it is until that point impossible ,
so we look at god as a part of the science , the known universe ,
it doesn't fit , there is no such thing in the known universe ,
god doesn't exist , because , we can't explain how such a thing could be possible ,
just like Chaz can't explain what proof is ,,

I told you that I was willing to accept your criteria - but you don't have any because you are a thick donkey.


if you are going to say we can fantasize and invent a god ,
then I don't have to disprove a fantasy ,
so disprove what again Chaz , can you be exact , explain this god and how it exists please ,,,????

I have never said that god was possible to prove moron.

[Godfree]

Chaz ,, you poor old blind horse , Points,
Matt like me thinks Atheism is more than just no god ,,,do you????
when Matt goes on about the proof and proven , he finishes with ,
proven as can be ,, still described as proven , still talks of the proof ,
for you to say I have not made one point ,
suggests your not just blind Chaz but you also either very stupid ,
or you think I will consider that funny , was that another attempt at humour,??
but such obviously incorrect statements only discredit you Chaz ,
it's a bit like a fundamentalist claiming evolution isn't real ,
Last point again ,
if you can't describe the thing I am to disprove , then there is nothing to disprove , it is up to you to make the claims as to what this god does ,
you ask me to prove god doesn't exist ,
well I have to ask you to be specific ,
what can this god do , what are you claiming it's powers are ,
describe the things it can do , that couldn't happen naturally ,??
just the word god isn't enough , I need to know which god and what are it's supernatural powers ,
Your happy to use my criteria , well it's good to see your are funny sometimes,
you can't stand a single thing about my criteria ,
you just don't want to expose any of your workings ,
I see you as the snotty nosed kid at the Zoo and you have a stick that you poke the animals with to make them react,,!!

[chaz wyman]

Chaz ,, you poor old blind horse , Points,
Matt like me thinks Atheism is more than just no god ,,,do you????
when Matt goes on about the proof and proven , he finishes with ,
proven as can be ,, still described as proven , still talks of the proof ,
for you to say I have not made one point ,
suggests your not just blind Chaz but you also either very stupid ,
or you think I will consider that funny , was that another attempt at humour,??
but such obviously incorrect statements only discredit you Chaz ,
it's a bit like a fundamentalist claiming evolution isn't real ,
Last point again ,
if you can't describe the thing I am to disprove , then there is nothing to disprove , it is up to you to make the claims as to what this god does ,
you ask me to prove god doesn't exist ,
well I have to ask you to be specific ,
what can this god do , what are you claiming it's powers are ,
describe the things it can do , that couldn't happen naturally ,??
just the word god isn't enough , I need to know which god and what are it's supernatural powers ,
Your happy to use my criteria , well it's good to see your are funny sometimes,
you can't stand a single thing about my criteria ,
you just don't want to expose any of your workings ,
I see you as the snotty nosed kid at the Zoo and you have a stick that you poke the animals with to make them react,,!!

All you ever type is bullshit.
You are a disgrace to all atheists.
WHere are your points?

You are a fuckwit.