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Ironically, whoever thought up the idea of a spiritual world to explain our place in the natural world, this person or people were the original scientists, the ones with curiosity and a sense of wonder. Unfortunately that meme turned viral and became a destructive force in humans, creating havoc and holding us back. Religion wasn’t born out of a ‘deep spiritual need’, it was born out of scientific curiosity. Now we have real science to explain our place in the universe, but we are left with the superstitious debris of that early desire to know ourselves i.e. those who remain satisfied with the earliest 'explanations' that our ancient ancestors came up with. These relics of fledgling humanity suppress the natural scientific curiosity that we all have. They are easily manipulated by unscrupulous and self-seeking religious leaders who want to hang on to their power base and keep their flock ignorant and superstitious. Our brains have evolved. Morality has never come from religion, we gave our concept of morality to religion. Religion has long since passed its 'use by' date. Humankind needs to get over it so we can all move forward.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Ironically, whoever thought up the idea of a spiritual world to explain our place in the natural world, this person or people were the original scientists, the ones with curiosity and a sense of wonder. Unfortunately that meme turned viral and became a destructive force in humans, creating havoc and holding us back. Religion wasn’t born out of a ‘deep spiritual need’, it was born out of scientific curiosity. Now we have real science to explain our place in the universe, but we are left with the superstitious debris of that early desire to know ourselves i.e. those who remain satisfied with the earliest 'explanations' that our ancient ancestors came up with. These relics of fledgling humanity suppress the natural scientific curiosity that we all have. They are easily manipulated by unscrupulous and self-seeking religious leaders who want to hang on to their power base and keep their flock ignorant and superstitious. Our brains have evolved. Morality has never come from religion, we gave our concept of morality to religion. Religion has long since passed its used-by date. Humankind needs to get over it so we can all move forward.

Religion caused virgins to be sacrificed. The waste of a perfectly good virgin made religion obsolete centuries ago.

SecularCauses wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Ironically, whoever thought up the idea of a spiritual world to explain our place in the natural world, this person or people were the original scientists, the ones with curiosity and a sense of wonder. Unfortunately that meme turned viral and became a destructive force in humans, creating havoc and holding us back. Religion wasn’t born out of a ‘deep spiritual need’, it was born out of scientific curiosity. Now we have real science to explain our place in the universe, but we are left with the superstitious debris of that early desire to know ourselves i.e. those who remain satisfied with the earliest 'explanations' that our ancient ancestors came up with. These relics of fledgling humanity suppress the natural scientific curiosity that we all have. They are easily manipulated by unscrupulous and self-seeking religious leaders who want to hang on to their power base and keep their flock ignorant and superstitious. Our brains have evolved. Morality has never come from religion, we gave our concept of morality to religion. Religion has long since passed its used-by date. Humankind needs to get over it so we can all move forward.

Religion caused virgins to be sacrificed. The waste of a perfectly good virgin made religion obsolete centuries ago.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Ironically, whoever thought up the idea of a spiritual world to explain our place in the natural world, this person or people were the original scientists, the ones with curiosity and a sense of wonder. Unfortunately that meme turned viral and became a destructive force in humans, creating havoc and holding us back. Religion wasn’t born out of a ‘deep spiritual need’, it was born out of scientific curiosity. Now we have real science to explain our place in the universe, but we are left with the superstitious debris of that early desire to know ourselves i.e. those who remain satisfied with the earliest 'explanations' that our ancient ancestors came up with. These relics of fledgling humanity suppress the natural scientific curiosity that we all have. They are easily manipulated by unscrupulous and self-seeking religious leaders who want to hang on to their power base and keep their flock ignorant and superstitious. Our brains have evolved. Morality has never come from religion, we gave our concept of morality to religion. Religion has long since passed its used-by date. Humankind needs to get over it so we can all move forward.

Arrogant intolerant scientism.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scientism

tbieter wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Ironically, whoever thought up the idea of a spiritual world to explain our place in the natural world, this person or people were the original scientists, the ones with curiosity and a sense of wonder. Unfortunately that meme turned viral and became a destructive force in humans, creating havoc and holding us back. Religion wasn’t born out of a ‘deep spiritual need’, it was born out of scientific curiosity. Now we have real science to explain our place in the universe, but we are left with the superstitious debris of that early desire to know ourselves i.e. those who remain satisfied with the earliest 'explanations' that our ancient ancestors came up with. These relics of fledgling humanity suppress the natural scientific curiosity that we all have. They are easily manipulated by unscrupulous and self-seeking religious leaders who want to hang on to their power base and keep their flock ignorant and superstitious. Our brains have evolved. Morality has never come from religion, we gave our concept of morality to religion. Religion has long since passed its used-by date. Humankind needs to get over it so we can all move forward.

Arrogant intolerant scientism.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scientism

Can you at least stick to sacrificing ugly virgins?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: . Religion has long since passed its 'use by' date. Humankind needs to get over it so we can all move forward.

You want to abandon religion, what are your thoughts on Buddhism?

SecularCauses wrote: Can you at least stick to sacrificing ugly virgins?

I thought we were saving them for you, ugly virgins need love too.

Irony
A bunch of extremely religious Judeo-Christian zealots, like the Jewish "SecularCauses" and the Christian "Vegetariantaxidermy", preaching the "end of religion". While, unknowingly, they practice and preach the exact same Jewish and Christian values as from a millennium ago, using a new language, and a few new terms to hide their true meanings.
Some things never change.
The new name for Judaism is "secularism". The new name for Christianity is "humanism". Put them together, what do you get?

While these liars and zealots do all in their power to hide and cover up their true nature, and their true beliefs, denoting their underlying dogma and metaphysical views, their nature does not or cannot change. They only adapt to changes in language, not changes in thought or philosophy or even science. Their dogma defines them.
A stupid **** will preach how "against" Christianity and Christian values she is while practicing those very values throughout her life. Doesn't this remind you of anybody?
However, fortunately, a human cannot hide his or her true, underlying dogma, her underlying adulation and subservience to her genealogical morality, her metaphysical belief system. A Christian, or Jew, is identified genetically, and once this is properly understood and accepted, then the memetic appearance, and reappearance of these dogmas, makes complete sense.
And it is common sense. This memetic theory can even be applied to evolutionary theory, to explain the appearance of dominant cultural means, and their spread, by genetic populations. It can even be applied to democracy, vote, and rule by genetic majority of a population. Once this is accepted, then democracy must appear as an illegitimate method of governance, since those in power must maintain power by eugenics, and the forceful manipulation of who can have access to sex, and who cannot.

thedoc wrote:

SecularCauses wrote: Can you at least stick to sacrificing ugly virgins?

I thought we were saving them for you, ugly virgins need love too.

No, actually I was thinking the sexually dysfunctional anti-semites may be able to get their lives back on track with an ugly virgin or two.

Atthet wrote:Irony
A bunch of extremely religious Judeo-Christian zealots, like the Jewish "SecularCauses" and the Christian "Vegetariantaxidermy", preaching the "end of religion". While, unknowingly, they practice and preach the exact same Jewish and Christian values as from a millennium ago, using a new language, and a few new terms to hide their true meanings.
Some things never change.
The new name for Judaism is "secularism". The new name for Christianity is "humanism". Put them together, what do you get?

While these liars and zealots do all in their power to hide and cover up their true nature, and their true beliefs, denoting their underlying dogma and metaphysical views, their nature does not or cannot change. They only adapt to changes in language, not changes in thought or philosophy or even science. Their dogma defines them.
A stupid **** will preach how "against" Christianity and Christian values she is while practicing those very values throughout her life. Doesn't this remind you of anybody?
However, fortunately, a human cannot hide his or her true, underlying dogma, her underlying adulation and subservience to her genealogical morality, her metaphysical belief system. A Christian, or Jew, is identified genetically, and once this is properly understood and accepted, then the memetic appearance, and reappearance of these dogmas, makes complete sense.
And it is common sense. This memetic theory can even be applied to evolutionary theory, to explain the appearance of dominant cultural means, and their spread, by genetic populations. It can even be applied to democracy, vote, and rule by genetic majority of a population. Once this is accepted, then democracy must appear as an illegitimate method of governance, since those in power must maintain power by eugenics, and the forceful manipulation of who can have access to sex, and who cannot.

Jew-hating scum is defined as subhuman scum. Have you ever seen the people who march in neo-nazi parades? Toothless wonders who have never been laid in their lives.

SecularCauses wrote:Jew-hating scum is defined as subhuman scum. Have you ever seen the people who march in neo-nazi parades? Toothless wonders who have never been laid in their lives.

Christians and Muslims are enemies too, not just you, foggy. Christians, Muslims, and Jews are all enemies of pagans and paganism. If you desire to call this "anti-semitism", then that is acceptable. I will do all in my power to destroy your ideology, and your dogma, while promoting paganism as the ideology that can contend against, and subvert, your disgusting religion.
You are a zionistic, religious zealot. You are a fanatic, no different than any imam preaching in Saudi Arabia.

Atthet wrote:

SecularCauses wrote:Jew-hating scum is defined as subhuman scum. Have you ever seen the people who march in neo-nazi parades? Toothless wonders who have never been laid in their lives.

Christians and Muslims are enemies too, not just you, foggy. Christians, Muslims, and Jews are all enemies of pagans and paganism. If you desire to call this "anti-semitism", then that is acceptable. I will do all in my power to destroy your ideology, and your dogma, while promoting paganism as the ideology that can contend against, and subvert, your disgusting religion.
You are a zionistic, religious zealot. You are a fanatic, no different than any imam preaching in Saudi Arabia.

"Foggy"? Not even close. Paganism? That's just make-believe religion on steroids. See an apple, then make-up an "apple god." See a dog, then make up a "doggie god." Go on a trip and make up a travel guide god. Paganism is just religious delusion run amok. No wonder you are so lame.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Ironically, whoever thought up the idea of a spiritual world to explain our place in the natural world, this person or people were the original scientists, the ones with curiosity and a sense of wonder. Unfortunately that meme turned viral and became a destructive force in humans, creating havoc and holding us back. Religion wasn’t born out of a ‘deep spiritual need’, it was born out of scientific curiosity. Now we have real science to explain our place in the universe, but we are left with the superstitious debris of that early desire to know ourselves i.e. those who remain satisfied with the earliest 'explanations' that our ancient ancestors came up with. These relics of fledgling humanity suppress the natural scientific curiosity that we all have. They are easily manipulated by unscrupulous and self-seeking religious leaders who want to hang on to their power base and keep their flock ignorant and superstitious. Our brains have evolved. Morality has never come from religion, we gave our concept of morality to religion. Religion has long since passed its 'use by' date. Humankind needs to get over it so we can all move forward.

So I am a drishtantoist.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Ironically, whoever thought up the idea of a spiritual world to explain our place in the natural world, this person or people were the original scientists, the ones with curiosity and a sense of wonder. Unfortunately that meme turned viral and became a destructive force in humans, creating havoc and holding us back. Religion wasn’t born out of a ‘deep spiritual need’, it was born out of scientific curiosity. Now we have real science to explain our place in the universe, but we are left with the superstitious debris of that early desire to know ourselves i.e. those who remain satisfied with the earliest 'explanations' that our ancient ancestors came up with. These relics of fledgling humanity suppress the natural scientific curiosity that we all have. They are easily manipulated by unscrupulous and self-seeking religious leaders who want to hang on to their power base and keep their flock ignorant and superstitious. Our brains have evolved. Morality has never come from religion, we gave our concept of morality to religion. Religion has long since passed its 'use by' date. Humankind needs to get over it so we can all move forward.

I could not agree more!

tbieter wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Ironically, whoever thought up the idea of a spiritual world to explain our place in the natural world, this person or people were the original scientists, the ones with curiosity and a sense of wonder. Unfortunately that meme turned viral and became a destructive force in humans, creating havoc and holding us back. Religion wasn’t born out of a ‘deep spiritual need’, it was born out of scientific curiosity. Now we have real science to explain our place in the universe, but we are left with the superstitious debris of that early desire to know ourselves i.e. those who remain satisfied with the earliest 'explanations' that our ancient ancestors came up with. These relics of fledgling humanity suppress the natural scientific curiosity that we all have. They are easily manipulated by unscrupulous and self-seeking religious leaders who want to hang on to their power base and keep their flock ignorant and superstitious. Our brains have evolved. Morality has never come from religion, we gave our concept of morality to religion. Religion has long since passed its used-by date. Humankind needs to get over it so we can all move forward.

Arrogant intolerant scientism.

Childish name calling!
Not much of an argument though is it?