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Evolving ourselves

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:43 am
by AustinGJones
The brain is an organ which sole process is to make sense of the environment around it. Through evolution the human brain has evolved 5 senses that we know of, a cycle to recharge it, a storing space for memory, emotions, and probably more we do not know about. The truth is we really don't know much about the brain or even why we do things like dream. If something works for the brain it is still used, passed on through DNA. For example, apes get greedy of other males then angry so they act out in aggression to fight off the other male. People are past this and if anything the general population will just get a little jealous over mating competition. I have a theory that we can literally speed up the rate our brains evolve. The most valuable time for taking in knowledge in a persons life is at their youngest. If we can Teach our children to overcome things like greed and anger as they get older they wont do it so much. They would be more conscience of their actions, emotions, and thoughts. With their brains producing less of the chemical that makes you angry, their brain will need less synapses for such emotion since it is happening less. We only use so much of our brain, i believe our brain comprehends more than it allows us access too. With valuing children's education far more than we do now, every generation would bring us more access to what our brain absorbs on top of evolving the way we want it too.

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:03 pm
by Cerveny
Brain is equipped with other possibilities yet. The possibilities, that are commonly hidden for untrained people. It is a subliminal perception/communication with the other live organism, it is a touching the super-system, it is a touching the future… They are deep, nature possibilities that are recognizable in, say, dog’s behavior. Modern people do not have silence enough to hear it, to logged in it ... as dogs have :)

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:53 am
by chaz wyman
AustinGJones wrote:The brain is an organ which sole process is to make sense of the environment around it. Through evolution the human brain has evolved 5 senses that we know of, a cycle to recharge it, a storing space for memory, emotions, and probably more we do not know about. The truth is we really don't know much about the brain or even why we do things like dream. If something works for the brain it is still used, passed on through DNA. For example, apes get greedy of other males then angry so they act out in aggression to fight off the other male. People are past this and if anything the general population will just get a little jealous over mating competition. I have a theory that we can literally speed up the rate our brains evolve. The most valuable time for taking in knowledge in a persons life is at their youngest. If we can Teach our children to overcome things like greed and anger as they get older they wont do it so much. They would be more conscience of their actions, emotions, and thoughts. With their brains producing less of the chemical that makes you angry, their brain will need less synapses for such emotion since it is happening less. We only use so much of our brain, i believe our brain comprehends more than it allows us access too. With valuing children's education far more than we do now, every generation would bring us more access to what our brain absorbs on top of evolving the way we want it too.
The idea that there are only five senses, is one of the most persistent myths given us by Aristotle.
None of the five can explain:
Sense of direction
Knowing where parts of your body are when your eyes are closed. Proprioception
Sense of temperature
Pain.
Balance
Sense of acceleration.
Pulmonary stretch receptors are found in the lungs and control the respiratory rate.
Sense of hunger
There are also a range of other senses related to bodily funstion such as when excretion is necessary; vomiting and other reflexes; gag reflux; oxygen debt to increase breathing etc.

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:52 am
by Thundril
Plus:
Sense of humour
Sense of Place
Common sense
Sense of Resposibility
Sense and Sensibilty
Pride and Prejudice
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:16 pm
by Notvacka
AustinGJones wrote:The most valuable time for taking in knowledge in a persons life is at their youngest. If we can Teach our children to overcome things like greed and anger as they get older they wont do it so much. They would be more conscience of their actions, emotions, and thoughts.
And how would you go about doing that? "Utopian" novel Walden Twoby B. F. Skinner comes to mind here, and it's not pleasant.

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:30 pm
by chaz wyman
Thundril wrote:Plus:
Sense of humour Not even funny,
Sense of Place What? Socially?
Common sense WHich is what you seem to lack
Sense of Resposibility Not really a sense in the way we mean buddy
Sense and Sensibilty Now you are getting funny
Pride and Prejudice Dum didum
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:18 pm
by AustinGJones
You all did see that i wrote " 5 senses that WE KNOW OF. " I'm open to the concept of their being senses we are unaware of. I'm willing to bet their are dormant senses in our subconscious that we barley know about because we haven't needed them for a while, so we have evolved away. If any of you haven't seen Through the wormhole with Morgan Freeman, i recommend you watch it. Really interesting show, one topic was about the possibilities of other senses.

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:38 pm
by Thundril
chaz wyman wrote:
Thundril wrote:Plus:
Sense of humour Not even funny,
Sense of Place What? Socially?
Common sense WHich is what you seem to lack
Sense of Resposibility Not really a sense in the way we mean buddy
Sense and Sensibilty Now you are getting funny
Pride and Prejudice Dum didum
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
Afternoon, Chaz! How are we today?
Love the red pen. Your mum get you that?

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:32 am
by chaz wyman
Thundril wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
Thundril wrote:Plus:
Sense of humour Not even funny,
Sense of Place What? Socially?
Common sense WHich is what you seem to lack
Sense of Resposibility Not really a sense in the way we mean buddy
Sense and Sensibilty Now you are getting funny
Pride and Prejudice Dum didum
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
Afternoon, Chaz! How are we today?
Love the red pen. Your mum get you that?
Once a teacher always a teacher!

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:36 am
by chaz wyman
AustinGJones wrote:You all did see that i wrote " 5 senses that WE KNOW OF. "

Indeed and I was putting you onto the others that WE KNOW OF, because we know more than five. Aristotle was limited.


I'm open to the concept of their being senses we are unaware of.

I'm not. That would be contradiction in terms. a SENSE is the bodily access to the outside world, such a thing would be useless if we were to be unaware of it.
Think about it!

I'm willing to bet their are dormant senses in our subconscious that we barley know about because we haven't needed them for a while, so we have evolved away. If any of you haven't seen Through the wormhole with Morgan Freeman, i recommend you watch it. Really interesting show, one topic was about the possibilities of other senses.
Nope

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:10 pm
by bravox
I have once experienced two senses I didn't know I have. It all happened during an episode of sleep paralysis when I "left my body" and felt that my deceased grandmother was near me at the time.

The so-called out-of-body experience is real, people who report it are not lying. Whether they really left their bodies is another issue, but the sensation is absolutely real. What I realized from it is that we have a sense that tells us where the center of our consciousness is in relation to our body. We don't realize we have that sense until it goes astray. But I also came out of the experience with the suspicion that our sense of being "inside the body" is a rather strange experience itself.

The other sense I discovered is the feeling of a "presence". I didn't see or hear my grandmother, I just "knew" that she was there, in a specific location. I also "knew" what she was doing, thinking, and feeling. This "knowledge" may well be an illusion, but it certainly didn't relate to anything I was doing, thinking, or feeling. In a way or another it was coming from outside my conscious mind, just like any other sense.

I suspect this sense of a presence is something we always have, it may be what makes us feel that people around us are as alive as we are.

Just my two cents anyway.

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:45 pm
by chaz wyman
bravox wrote:I have once experienced two senses I didn't know I have. It all happened during an episode of sleep paralysis when I "left my body" and felt that my deceased grandmother was near me at the time.

The so-called out-of-body experience is real, people who report it are not lying. Whether they really left their bodies is another issue, but the sensation is absolutely real. What I realized from it is that we have a sense that tells us where the center of our consciousness is in relation to our body. We don't realize we have that sense until it goes astray. But I also came out of the experience with the suspicion that our sense of being "inside the body" is a rather strange experience itself.

The other sense I discovered is the feeling of a "presence". I didn't see or hear my grandmother, I just "knew" that she was there, in a specific location. I also "knew" what she was doing, thinking, and feeling. This "knowledge" may well be an illusion, but it certainly didn't relate to anything I was doing, thinking, or feeling. In a way or another it was coming from outside my conscious mind, just like any other sense.

I suspect this sense of a presence is something we always have, it may be what makes us feel that people around us are as alive as we are.

Just my two cents anyway.
Well that is one way to interpret your experience.
But I doubt you were actually experiencing 'two senses you didn't know you had" - seems a bit of a far fetched explanation.
The first is disassociation
The second is another class of the imaginary friend syndrome.
Both common, both usually harmless.

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:26 am
by reasone/emotion
AustinGJones

"I have a theory that we can literally speed up the rate our brains evolve. The most valuable time for taking in knowledge in a persons life is at their youngest. If we can Teach our children to overcome things like greed and anger as they get older they wont do it so much. They would be more conscience of their actions, emotions, and thoughts. With their brains producing less of the chemical that makes you angry, their brain will need less synapses for such emotion since it is happening less. We only use so much of our brain, i believe our brain comprehends more than"



Excerpt from Lord of the Flies

Ralph is unable to understand why the other boys would give in to base instincts of bloodlust and barbarism. The sight of the hunters chanting and dancing is baffling and distasteful to him. As the novel progresses, however, Ralph, like Simon, comes to understand that savagery exists within all the boys. Ralph remains determined not to let this savagery -overwhelm him, and only briefly does he consider joining Jack’s tribe in order to save himself. When Ralph hunts a boar for the first time, however, he experiences the exhilaration and thrill of bloodlust and violence. When he attends Jack’s feast, he is swept away by the frenzy, dances on the edge of the group, and participates in the killing of Simon. This firsthand knowledge of the evil that exists within him, as within all human beings, is tragic for Ralph.

I have often thought as times evolve, humans basically remain the same. It takes a war or an event, such as the example above to remind us with are basically still savages.

Re: Evolving ourselves

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:34 am
by chaz wyman
reasone/emotion wrote:AustinGJones

"I have a theory that we can literally speed up the rate our brains evolve. The most valuable time for taking in knowledge in a persons life is at their youngest. If we can Teach our children to overcome things like greed and anger as they get older they wont do it so much. They would be more conscience of their actions, emotions, and thoughts. With their brains producing less of the chemical that makes you angry, their brain will need less synapses for such emotion since it is happening less. We only use so much of our brain, i believe our brain comprehends more than"

You are confusing learning with evolution.
You are born with the same genes that you die with. Nothing of what you learn in your life is transmitted to the genes. Thus learning does not contribute directly to evolution- we cannot "evolve out brains".


Excerpt from Lord of the Flies

Ralph is unable to understand why the other boys would give in to base instincts of bloodlust and barbarism. The sight of the hunters chanting and dancing is baffling and distasteful to him. As the novel progresses, however, Ralph, like Simon, comes to understand that savagery exists within all the boys. Ralph remains determined not to let this savagery -overwhelm him, and only briefly does he consider joining Jack’s tribe in order to save himself. When Ralph hunts a boar for the first time, however, he experiences the exhilaration and thrill of bloodlust and violence. When he attends Jack’s feast, he is swept away by the frenzy, dances on the edge of the group, and participates in the killing of Simon. This firsthand knowledge of the evil that exists within him, as within all human beings, is tragic for Ralph.

I have often thought as times evolve, humans basically remain the same. It takes a war or an event, such as the example above to remind us with are basically still savages.

Why is this here?