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God has all attributes including evil iniquity.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Ephesians 3:8-10 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

God created the attribute of iniquity and placed that capability in Satan. The above quote seems to show iniquity as capable of negating perfection yet scriptures show that perfection is never ending. If it could end, then even God’s perfection would be at risk and this condition is one that God would never create
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All concepts were created for God’s pleasure.

What pleasure do you think God gets from iniquity?

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

I'm the only person on Earth who understands the book of Revelation, and it's got nothing to do with what you're talking about.

bobevenson wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

I'm the only person on Earth who understands the book of Revelation, and it's got nothing to do with what you're talking about.

Aren't you so special.

Inform away.

Regards
DL

DL - A very good post indeed. I only disagree with one statement:- "God created the attribute of iniquity and placed that capability in Satan."

Greatest I am wrote:

bobevenson wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

I'm the only person on Earth who understands the book of Revelation, and it's got nothing to do with what you're talking about.

Aren't you so special.

Yeah, I guess that does make me special, doesn't it?

attofishpi wrote:DL - A very good post indeed.

Thanks.

I only disagree with one statement:- "God created the attribute of iniquity and placed that capability in Satan."

Not believing in bible God, I do not agree with myself on anything I wrote.

I was just forming an argument.

That is the dogma as I know it though.

Are you saying God did not create iniquity and if so, then who is God's co-creator and the one who created iniquity?

After all, it would found in Satan even before man was created so there are not many options.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:Are you saying God did not create iniquity and if so, then who is God's co-creator and the one who created iniquity?

After all, it would found in Satan even before man was created so there are not many options.

Regards
DL

No. I am saying that satan does not exist...and the bible has more bull than i would want to buy. All the iniquity you speak of is part of God - the Alpha and the Omega.

iniquity
Noun.
1. absence of moral or spiritual values; "the powers of darkness"

2. morally objectionable behaviour

3. an unjust act

attofishpi wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:Are you saying God did not create iniquity and if so, then who is God's co-creator and the one who created iniquity?

After all, it would found in Satan even before man was created so there are not many options.

Regards
DL

No. I am saying that satan does not exist...and the bible has more bull than i would want to buy. All the iniquity you speak of is part of God - the Alpha and the Omega.

iniquity
Noun.
1. absence of moral or spiritual values; "the powers of darkness"

2. morally objectionable behaviour

3. an unjust act

No argument.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:God has all attributes including evil iniquity.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Ephesians 3:8-10 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

God created the attribute of iniquity and placed that capability in Satan. The above quote seems to show iniquity as capable of negating perfection yet scriptures show that perfection is never ending. If it could end, then even God’s perfection would be at risk and this condition is one that God would never create
.
All concepts were created for God’s pleasure.

What pleasure do you think God gets from iniquity?

Regards
DL

Cherry picking from the scriptures?

chaz wyman wrote:[
Cherry picking from the scriptures?

I understand the situation but fail to see the problem.

When was the last time you were in church and heard the preacher quote where God says to murder all the children?

Cherry picking is a religious trait and I get on the level playing field.

You have the problem. Not I.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:[
Cherry picking from the scriptures?

I understand the situation but fail to see the problem.

When was the last time you were in church and heard the preacher quote where God says to murder all the children?

Cherry picking is a religious trait and I get on the level playing field.

You have the problem. Not I.

Regards
DL

The problem with cherry picking is that you can justify just about any crackpot religious theory by being selective, and just about every converse argument.
So your problem is that the Scriptures have no value in making any statement that is not also immediately refutable, except the most banal facts.

Your problem is that you do not have an argument.

For example; God might well have said murder all the children, but Jesus also said suffer the little children to come unto me.
Although God, in numerous placed exhorts the Israelites to cheat, murder, rape, and pillage; he also gives us the story of turn the other cheek and the Good Samaritan.
Your mistake is to give any of it credence. You are no better than any other biblical literalist.

chaz wyman wrote:[
Your mistake is to give any of it credence. .

I use scriptures. I do not give them credence.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:[
Your mistake is to give any of it credence. .

I use scriptures. I do not give them credence.

Regards
DL

Fucking hell!

Why do you use the scriptures at all?

chaz wyman wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:[
Your mistake is to give any of it credence. .

I use scriptures. I do not give them credence.

Regards
DL

Fucking hell!

Why do you use the scriptures at all?

They are handy when speaking of the Abrahamic God.

What else should I use when speaking of Christian dogma and doctrine?

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:

They are handy when speaking of the Abrahamic God.

What else should I use when speaking of Christian dogma and doctrine?

Regards
DL

So you accept what you say is naught but discord?
You do not want anyone to take your conclusions seriously, surely,,,,