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Walgekaaren wrote:I read the last question of the month in Philosophy now and it gave me many insights and thoughts. It still resonates to make it short with the story of Adam and Eve being in the garden of Eden happily ever after till knoledge of self appeared that they are naked. - Thus an animal had to die to offer some fur for first clothes.

Today we are making the same thing with happiness - its like dyeing something to suppress its rotten stench to hide something what we are ashamed of - like the rost of the car we want to sell with a higher price or our own nakedness.

Why cant we live like we wanted to?

Here is where your text breaks down.
Who are 'we' and what makes you think that such a construction can be caricatured by a single desire?
It what way do you think "we" (whoever that is) wanted to live like?


Maslow created the pyramid of want leaving religion out as unnescescary and second-stage after food and shelter is provided. This opinion is short-sighted due to the inter and overlapping of desires and needs. Believing in your life to be happy and meaningfull gives much in being happy and meaningfull. Only the really strong of heart and mind can be happy and meaningfull without the sustenance of reassurance from the crowd.

How does this relate to the above discourse on nakedness and desire?


A king is only then a great king then he has something to govern and some grate warspoils to offer. Without them he is but a man and nothing else.

He is always just a man.

Having something you believe in like to get a good job you can only aquire through a scolarship in Harvard, you might be ready to suffer more and call it pleasure, than you usually would. Living in the castle or having a Bentley means something though a hut and a bysicle may do the work also, but wont have that 'good faith' or eudaimonia in it that you are living good and meaningfull.

Going the oposite confronts us with the pride of being poor what is also not wanted and happiness creating. Casuistics is always a bad thing to happen.

Jesus let himself be crusified in the name of faith that man deserves another chance.

He was not given a choice according to the Book. "God why hast thou forsaken me?"

Even after his own kind didnt understand him; his own family and disciples. What was happiness to Jesus? - Is to be found in the conversation with a Samaritan woman on a well.

None of which is relevant to the above.

Happyness is always outside of conventions and rules to abide them. Then you grab for the corn while it is Saturday the Sabbathday, while healing the sick outside of your official times. Allowing to heal and get pure again outside of byrocracy and institution.

Whilst you dwell on Christian ethics you will never be happy. There is no scope for it in the Book.
It promises happiness AFTER you are dead (which is impossible).

We always strive out of Eden and back again to win the freedom but loose the pain. While having pain, is what describes our happiness.

I do not see anyone striving for Eden, especially not Christians.

An american soldier, who is a Christian is more eager to die for his country as his atheist counterpart who doesnt believe atall in God and country (many atheists still believe in god and country, it just isnt Jesus but democrasy or the american way of life) and has all the knoledge about his gothernement and how nations have lied to theyr subjects. Not knowing is always the key to true happiness, like the three monkeys in china who didnt say; hear and see wrong. This is the reason why muslim countries; hinduist countries and china a confucian-taoist-communist country are getting better, while america and the free world are not.

This bit seems completely confused.

Not knowing is the key to have something you dont have - immortality - and be happy of it.

Arent the greecs the worst teachers of all saying gnothi seauton? For our knoledge has made our hells. Even Pilat asked before Jesus: "What is the truth?"

Has it not occurred to you that Jesus did not even know the answer to that question.
Pilate was god's pawn, as was Jesus. The puppets of an evil god.
Why the hell do you follow this tyrant that makes of you a slave?


So being happy is being godlike, being inhuman... for humans suffer and die thus ending theyr pleasure and happiness. Isnt our wants and needs the wery reasons why we hate and suffer and despair? We create environments that can only exist through consuming others like a virus. What is the solution in this? Not to live like the budhist way? Live as a hermit in a hut? While not all can live like Bill Gates for the earth cannot sustain that much our species cannot sustain so many hermits living in huts.

Happiness is always out-there behind the corner, after we achieved something else, like Harry Potter infront of the erised-mirror who got the philosophers stone because he sought it and didnt want to use it. For eating the cake and having the cake is considered different. You cant have both or can you?

I think this will all become clear to you the moment you abandon this ancient middle eastern myth that we call Christianity.
The human race has moved on 2000 years. You are looking for answers from a dead Book that never had the answers in the first place.

Is the world a better place then all the nations become democratic? If all the world starts looking after the environment an abiding the Kyoto protocolls?

The Book has nothing whatever to say about these issues and never can.

- Many corporations and workplaces would cease to exist for they are built on hot steam. On the assumption that peoples needs and wants can be raised through commercials. - If all live the right way, there would McDonalds be? Or Microsoft? If we only have what we need, there would be no room for knoledge and invention for they make the life comlicated and thus take away happiness. Every windows owner knows what I mean that Win95 was easier to use than win7 You didnt have to worry about so many viruses or spam backthen, than now.

You are rambling.

We are like Neo in Matrix who is confronted with the truth: "There is no spoon" and tries to be the saviour despite the fact that he himself doesnt believe but Morpheus. In the end he just wants to be alive, to have meaning to have the spoon he is supposed to not have.

Where is your spoon?

There never was a spoon, you need to get off your arse and get your own spoon.
Take the RED pill man!
You are still clinging to the Blue Pill's fallacy that there is an organised and purposeful universe.
Take the RED pill and get yourself a life before you die.
You time is nearly up.

Thundril wrote:Key to Happiness:
At times when things are going well, BE AWARE OF THAT.

That's happiness. What's the difficulty?

Walgekaaren wrote:Wow such passion chaz You got much faith in you...

chaz wyman wrote:

Walgekaaren wrote:Wow such passion chaz You got much faith in you...

I do not thrive of Faith.
Faith is for the takers of the Blue Pill.
That is the resort of the hard of thinking.
Faith is pursued by those that are cerebrally challenged.

Walgekaaren wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:

Walgekaaren wrote:Wow such passion chaz You got much faith in you...

I do not thrive on Faith.
Faith is for the takers of the Blue Pill.
That is the resort of the hard of thinking.
Faith is pursued by those that are cerebrally challenged.

If you translate 'faith' into religion i.e Christianity or Buddism then you would be right that sometimes it restricts free thinking, but not always. Like in other movements and organisations there are those who are able to think and those who are not, like in the Termo-nuclear reaction you have to exclude the bad uranium isotops what doesnt aid in making the reaction in favor of the good more rich isotops.

Capitalism is also a 'faith' - the faith of the free market system you are into. I just mentioned that you defend your beliefs with inner passion, that doesnt mean you are stupid or not able to think

Have you not read what I wrote? I am not "into" capitalism!
You need to go back and read what I said.
When I told you that there was a logic to throwing away food - i was NOT recommending it!
I was reporting on facts.


You should free your mind from thinking in the box e.g believers versus philosofers...
And by the way I am really happy being a Christian thanks for asking.

That is a shame, because you are now trapping is system of thinking from which it will be very difficult to extricate yourself. You have already shown hints that it affects the free flow of your thinking. You are too ready to assume things that are not true - that is a factor of most religions.


Without faith, no knoledge or wisdom can survive in the depths of singularity there all the facts have the same value.

Not true. Faith is the mind killer. It demands belief in that which cannot be true.
You are demonstrating this damaging truth. You have faith in faith- that makes you believe that faith is useful - it is not.



Like you cannot see all with you eyes lest go crazy for you have a limited viewrange you also cannot accept or believe or speak about all. Every man has its own range what is called 'my viewpoint' or 'my opinion'

It is true that you cannot know everything. The truth is to accept that. With Faith you can believe any shit you want. it is only people with Faith that do not accept the limitations of human cognition.

Thundril wrote:Key to Happiness:
At times when things are going well, BE AWARE OF THAT.

That's happiness. What's the difficulty?

Walgekaaren wrote:I read the last question of the month in Philosophy now and it gave me many insights and thoughts. It still resonates to make it short with the story of Adam and Eve being in the garden of Eden happily ever after till knoledge of self appeared that they are naked. - Thus an animal had to die to offer some fur for first clothes.

Today we are making the same thing with happiness - its like dyeing something to suppress its rotten stench to hide something what we are ashamed of - like the rost of the car we want to sell with a higher price or our own nakedness.

Why cant we live like we wanted to?

Maslow created the pyramid of want leaving religion out as unnescescary and second-stage after food and shelter is provided. This opinion is short-sighted due to the inter and overlapping of desires and needs. Believing in your life to be happy and meaningfull gives much in being happy and meaningfull. Only the really strong of heart and mind can be happy and meaningfull without the sustenance of reassurance from the crowd.

A king is only then a great king then he has something to govern and some grate warspoils to offer. Without them he is but a man and nothing else.

Having something you believe in like to get a good job you can only aquire through a scolarship in Harvard, you might be ready to suffer more and call it pleasure, than you usually would. Living in the castle or having a Bentley means something though a hut and a bysicle may do the work also, but wont have that 'good faith' or eudaimonia in it that you are living good and meaningfull.

Going the oposite confronts us with the pride of being poor what is also not wanted and happiness creating. Casuistics is always a bad thing to happen.

Jesus let himself be crusified in the name of faith that man deserves another chance. Even after his own kind didnt understand him; his own family and disciples. What was happiness to Jesus? - Is to be found in the conversation with a Samaritan woman on a well.

Happyness is always outside of conventions and rules to abide them. Then you grab for the corn while it is Saturday the Sabbathday, while healing the sick outside of your official times. Allowing to heal and get pure again outside of byrocracy and institution.

We always strive out of Eden and back again to win the freedom but loose the pain. While having pain, is what describes our happiness.

An american soldier, who is a Christian is more eager to die for his country as his atheist counterpart who doesnt believe atall in God and country (many atheists still believe in god and country, it just isnt Jesus but democrasy or the american way of life) and has all the knoledge about his gothernement and how nations have lied to theyr subjects. Not knowing is always the key to true happiness, like the three monkeys in china who didnt say; hear and see wrong. This is the reason why muslim countries; hinduist countries and china a confucian-taoist-communist country are getting better, while america and the free world are not.

Not knowing is the key to have something you dont have - immortality - and be happy of it.

Arent the greecs the worst teachers of all saying gnothi seauton? For our knoledge has made our hells. Even Pilat asked before Jesus: "What is the truth?"

So being happy is being godlike, being inhuman... for humans suffer and die thus ending theyr pleasure and happiness. Isnt our wants and needs the wery reasons why we hate and suffer and despair? We create environments that can only exist through consuming others like a virus. What is the solution in this? Not to live like the budhist way? Live as a hermit in a hut? While not all can live like Bill Gates for the earth cannot sustain that much our species cannot sustain so many hermits living in huts.

Happiness is always out-there behind the corner, after we achieved something else, like Harry Potter infront of the erised-mirror who got the philosophers stone because he sought it and didnt want to use it. For eating the cake and having the cake is considered different. You cant have both or can you?

Is the world a better place then all the nations become democratic? If all the world starts looking after the environment an abiding the Kyoto protocolls? - Many corporations and workplaces would cease to exist for they are built on hot steam. On the assumption that peoples needs and wants can be raised through commercials. - If all live the right way, there would McDonalds be? Or Microsoft? If we only have what we need, there would be no room for knoledge and invention for they make the life comlicated and thus take away happiness. Every windows owner knows what I mean that Win95 was easier to use than win7 You didnt have to worry about so many viruses or spam backthen, than now.

We are like Neo in Matrix who is confronted with the truth: "There is no spoon" and tries to be the saviour despite the fact that he himself doesnt believe but Morpheus. In the end he just wants to be alive, to have meaning to have the spoon he is supposed to not have.

Where is your spoon?

GeorgeRex wrote:What's the point of happiness?

It can't buy you money.

chaz wyman wrote:You can get through life happily with no money, more easily than you can get through life unhappily with lots of money.

Obviously money can give you temporary happiness, but it is unsubstantial. Gimcracks and shiny things might make you smile for a minute, but there is a limit to how many of these things you can have. All inanimate objects or bought people are ultimately unsatisfying.