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I could really do with some consultation here

This is mainly to do with reality , being , awareness and meaning for humans.

Can we agree reality is one thing and our awareness of what reality is another(- so that is almost a seperate reality as we know it)?

Im having a mental block at the moment so ill just give my best shot:

Can beauty be awareness itself , can beauty be the inifinity (meaning everything that is reality) so that when we say beauty is in the eye of the beholder(.i.e an idea we create) -this is a false observation(perhaps not even an observation of reality) - or at least to some extent (all depending on how much of reality we are aware of)

- so if you we were not here to percieve reality - nature, animals, the land, physics etc are beautiful by their own nature, completely seperate to oursleves, or our awareness of reality to some extent(.i.e not completely just as much as we are a aware of)

This all really comes down to awareness and what we see reality as, so it can be very difficult to grasp the correct meaning of what Im trying to convey.

I could only describe it metaphorically as being blind and then seeing(yet that is still very far from the truth of the meaning)

Other examples I can give of why I believe/sense this awareness opposite to other humans is how people treat other beings - animals etc (e.g. hunting animals just for fashion, for theirs skins, farming, caging them and many other rediculous things) Also changing landscapes, claiming ownership of that land, claiming the right to do as people wish to the land and also to other humans. Having sex as a past time- something to do when your bord etc , eating as much food as you want - eat all food with the same meaning that its is a dessert ( .i.e only for taste)

Basically what this means to me is that what other people think, is that all these other aspects of existence around man humans essentially mean absolutely - well that how i see it as i feel/ am aware differently and thats the key - AWARENESS



AWARENESS(reality) changes the MEANING of EVERYTHING - by its NATURE and DEFINITION and EXISTENCE



please help me with this

YOURS FAITHFULLY - REALITY

finite1 wrote:I could really do with some consultation here

This is mainly to do with reality , being , awareness and meaning for humans.

Can we agree reality is one thing and our awareness of what reality is another(- so that is almost a seperate reality as we know it)?

Im having a mental block at the moment so ill just give my best shot:

Can beauty be awareness itself , can beauty be the inifinity (meaning everything that is reality) so that when we say beauty is in the eye of the beholder(.i.e an idea we create) -this is a false observation(perhaps not even an observation of reality) - or at least to some extent (all depending on how much of reality we are aware of)

Well, you're kind of all over the place here, so I'm going to start with what I consider to be the case, in relation to these first couple of points that you mention, and we can go from there.

Our awareness of reality is, in fact, an aspect of reality. It exists after all, right? Reality by definition is everything that exists...

From there, unless you're using an unconventional definition of the word "beauty", I don't see how awareness and beauty are the same thing (although I think awareness is a beautiful thing! ). Beauty is a subjective value judgment - it isn't inherent in the things we consider to be beautiful. We observe aspects of our environment, and we classify them in regards to each other. We apply a standard in making these comparisons, one of which is what we would refer to as beauty.

I was taught in class that "reality" is different for everybody.

puto wrote:I was taught in class that "reality" is different for everybody.

You can be taught the converse.

For me it only makes sense to say that reality can only be conceived by the individual and that will always be incomplete and partial.
You can take reality to mean a thing that exists beside us, but we can only see some of it. That would make the definition of reality as a thing that is whole. ANd thus reality is the same for everyone, but we just can't understand it all.

It's all a question of definition.

Do you understand what you just said?

puto wrote:Do you understand what you just said?

YES.

Here it is again, with subtitles, for the hard of thinking.

You can be taught the opposite (that reality in the same for everyone).

For me it only makes sense to say that reality can only be conceived by the individual and that will always be incomplete and partial.
I agreed with what YOU said, but think you can never know ALL of reality.

You can take reality to mean a thing that exists beside us, but we can only see some of it.
Reality might be not what you said. Reality might be what we all look at.
That would make the definition of reality as a thing that is whole. ANd thus reality is the same for everyone, but we just can't understand it all.

Reality is out there, but we only see our bit of it. So it is different for everyone.

It's all a question of definition.
The problem is not with reality, but with how you DEFINE reality.

puto wrote:I was taught in class that "reality" is different for everybody.

So? What does that mean other than that "reality" is perceived differently by everybody? There is no contradiction here.

Chaz, just more slave mentality.

puto wrote:Chaz, just more slave mentality.

Yes, a Person that says "I was taught..." has not moved passed their teaching to think for themselves.
I suggest you shrug off your chains and THINK!

Sapere Aude!!!!

Chaz, what do you understand?

puto wrote:Chaz, what do you understand?

I understand many things; what's on your mind here? (if anything)

e.g. I understand you repeat things that you have not thought about and you have no understanding of.

"When one argues with an idiot then there are two."

puto wrote:"When one argues with an idiot then there are two."

If you had an ounce of sense you would know how stupid you sound.