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Worst Philosophy in the History of Mankind






Me personally, I’ve always looked at philosophy as being one of the most important positive aspects of my adult life, possibly THE most important aspect of my adult life.

Well, now is the time I must admit the anti-thesis of this tremendously positive feeling I have developed towards all things philosophical.

Today I must admit, and attempt to verbalize The worst Philosophy in the History of Mankind.

Today I must confront philosophy as being the worst overall influence put upon me from outside.

This blackest of all black philosophy that I'm referring to affects ALL people on earth. And for 99%, of us, yes for a full 6 Billion people, this philosophy is now crushing us. Crushing our bodies and stealing our souls.

Each day, the world turns, only to discover she is entering a new gate of hell. An ever more darker and deeper gate of hell on earth.

And you will sell your soul... And you will sell your soul. Just to be here.

Because we have lost all our belief. We have sold our belief. We have bought a ticket to hell.

Philosophy. Oh philosophy, the god of wisdom, is now the darkest enemy man has ever faced. And there is no apparent way out. No end in sight. Not now.


What is this philosophy that I speak of?

What is by far the worst scourge of all scourges in the history of mankind?

It is the philosophy of conservatism.


I do not know where it started and I cannot foresee an end but I will share the point at which the world visibly took note.

It was back in August of 1981 in America. Ronald Reagan, the 40 President of the United States did Beelzebub's bidding as he destroyed the Air Traffic Controllers Union ability to bargain effectively.

In short, he put profit before people. He said it was for national interest and national security. Thirty years later, the world witnesses that on that day, August 1, 1981 the United States of America sacrificed both. The United States of America betrayed her own people, and the world's corporate headquarters took note.

The air traffic controllers’ strike was a major union movement in America. It proved the importance of worker’s rights and liberties. The strike proved that unions could make a difference in a society based on capitalism.

As they say, the rest is history.

The philosophy of profit was put before people.

The philosophy that government is the problem was openly accepted by the leader of the world's largest government and, at the time, the most successful society the world has ever known.

Upside-down. On our heads. Nothing anymore made sense.

And for the next thirty years the daily headlines of all major newspapers reflected that theme at an ever increasingly bold pace.

And then it eventually became all the media outlets of all media, and the paid announcers, writers, and performers...

This hell. This all encompassing hell on earth.

The economic and emotional race to the bottom that all countries, all peoples must participate in.

The race to hell.


Fast track forward to today. We are the dying fruit of this horrible disease. We are the end.



Philosophy, this philosophy of the night undoes all the apparent good that any school or mode of philosophy has ever accomplished.


You and I are now witnessing, you and I are a part of this dark night of the soul.

And when they look back and say, why didn't someone do something? Why didn't someone stop this?


Because we couldn’t. We, the dust in the wind. We couldn’t.




As you finish reading this post are you able to accept the fact that philosophy, namely the philosophical lie that is conservatism, has ruined your life?


I will state that here on this site philosophy is THE most important aspect of our adult life.

The only thing I would add is that philosophy has become the most overall negative aspect in our lives.





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Bill "What is by far the worst scourge of all scourges in the history of mankind?

It is the philosophy of conservatism.

I do not know where it started and I cannot foresee an end but I will share the point at which the world visibly took note.

It was back in August of 1981 in America. Ronald Reagan, the 40 President of the United States did Beelzebub's bidding as he destroyed the Air Traffic Controllers Union ability to bargain effectively.

In short, he put profit before people. He said it was for national interest and national security. Thirty years later, the world witnesses that on that day, August 1, 1981 the United States of America sacrificed both. The United States of America betrayed her own people, and the world's corporate headquarters took note.

The air traffic controllers’ strike was a major union movement in America. It proved the importance of worker’s rights and liberties. The strike proved that unions could make a difference in a society based on capitalism."
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I distinctly remember the conflict. Bill, however, has conveniently forgotten that the PATCO strike was clearly illegal:

"On August 3, 1981 the union declared a strike, seeking better working conditions, better pay and a 32-hour workweek. In addition, PATCO no longer wanted to be included within the civil service clauses that had haunted it for decades. In doing so, the union violated a law {5 U.S.C. (Supp. III 1956) 118p.} that banned strikes by government unions. Ronald Reagan declared the PATCO strike a "peril to national safety" and ordered them back to work under the terms of the Taft-Hartley Act of 1947."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession ... ion_(1968)

The union, PATCO, was sold out by its charsmatic president, Robert Poli, http://www.123people.com/ext/frm?ti=per ... allery.htm who loved the limelight.

Poli thought that his union owned President Reagan because of their relationship during the 1980 election:

"In the 1980 presidential election, PATCO (along with the Teamsters and the Air Line Pilots Association) refused to back President Jimmy Carter, instead endorsing Republican Party candidate Ronald Reagan. PATCO's refusal to endorse the Democratic Party stemmed in large part from poor labor relations with the FAA (the employer of PATCO members) under the Carter administration and Ronald Reagan's endorsement of the union and its struggle for better conditions during the 1980 election campaign.[4][5]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession ... ion_(1968)

Poli sold out his union for a temporary celebrity status. I used to watch his arrogance on TV every night during the conflict. That the striking PATCO members would be fired was clearly forseeable to anyone who knew anything about President Reagan.

Reagan's role model was President Calvin Coolidge, who supported the firing of the illegally striking Boston police officers:

"Coolidge dismissed the Commissioner's behavior as irrelevant, because no provocation could justify the police walkout. His terse summation created his reputation on the national scene: "There is no right to strike against the public safety, anywhere, anytime."[25] He said he would continue to "defend the sovereignty of Massachusetts."[26]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Police_Strike

In firing the striking PATCO members, Reagan was acting based on precedent, upon principle, and in accordance with the rule of law.

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thieter, I'm not sure what happened to your reply.

The first two links are useless to the point of unrelated.

You may want to go back and check them or correct them if you got mixed up.

The third link you provided only supports my position.

If you would just go back and read the first two sentences of that link you provided.

Wait a minute, I give to you;

In the Boston Police Strike, the Boston police rank and file went out on strike on September 9, 1919 in order to achieve recognition for their trade union and improvements in wages and working conditions. They faced an implacable opponent in Police Commissioner Edwin Upton Curtis who denied that police officers had any right to form a union, much less one affiliated with a larger organization like the American Federation of Labor.



There, this way you never have to actually visit the site you linked to, just assume that no one will check your references.




Your last two links are probably the most telling. You are spamming a Richard Baron book in one link and then again spamming, this time an article by a Thomas Bieter.

Oddly enough Bieter's first sentence is, Attorneys rarely consider moral values, norms, and reasoning as legitimate resources that can be used in argument.

Like yourself, Bieter goes on to support his claim.





I must say, you are consistent.


Conservatism is the philosophy of lies.

Liars lie.


I don't think I want to go where you are.


Thank you for responding to this thread.

More importantly, thank you for showing yourself to me.


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The crucial fact is that the PATCO strike was illegal and you failed to mention it. And you failed to address your omission in your reply. Instead, you attacked me personally and offended the concept of relevance.

Often, organized labor acts like organized thuggery.

That probably explains, in part, why the percentage of organized labor continues to decline in the U.S.

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Again, thank you thieter for responding to this thread.

More importantly, thank you for showing yourself to me.



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While I do not and would not agree with the everything said in/by the OP, the general sentiment is almost on target. Here's a quick... very quick... mind-dump.

The opposition has mentioned a fact, at least up until very recent history that is. The fact being that organized labor has had steadily decreasing member numbers. That is a consequence(dare I say intentional) of the ongoing media propoganda against unions. It has been, even in this thread, portrayed as "thuggery" - the term union has been made into a bad word - Orwellian style. Unions have been made a scapegoat. Hollywood-style. The Art of War... divide and conquer. While it is true that organized crime gained a foothold within some union movements in the 20th century, that and that alone does not warrant all of the falsehoods that have immersed the media and subsequently skewed American perspective regarding them.

The problem is and always has been a matter of property rights. Marx called it long ago, even if he got a few things wrong - namely how a product's value was/is determined.

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DEAD. NUTS. ON!


Thank you creativesoul for being part of this thread.



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BILL:
"What is this philosophy that I speak of?
What is by far the worst scourge of all scourges in the history of mankind?
It is the philosophy of conservatism."
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In conservative sociologist Robert Nisbet's classic, The Quest for Community, he has a remarkable chapter presenting a historical perspective on labor unions. He showed convincingly that unions were initially family-oriented institutions. They served as a mediating institution - supporting the wage earner and his family against the oppressive government or oppressive employer.

However, the role of the union gradually changed. Rather than primarily being a social organization supporting the family, the union became just another competing political organization. And where politics dominates, there is corruption and thuggery.

Nisbet's presentation is the best argument for unions that I have ever read.

http://www.amazon.com/Quest-Community-B ... 984&sr=1-1

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That sounds like an interesting perspective that is close to my own.

Actually, I have been developing a new form of union organizing, a new system of union organizing, that focuses in on those same perspectives that you have mentioned.


Unions have always, and still do, focus on what is best for individuals and their immediate community.

Thank you thieterfor the reference and your understanding of our common ground; the inherent good of Organized Labor.



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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.



That sounds like an interesting perspective that is close to my own.

Actually, I have been developing a new form of union organizing, a new system of union organizing, that focuses in on those same perspectives that you have mentioned.


Unions have always, and still do, focus on what is best for individuals and their immediate community.

Thank you thieterfor the reference and your understanding of our common ground; the inherent good of Organized Labor.



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"the inherent good of Organized Labor" - that was precisely Nisbet's argument.

When I read the book I was practicing with a guy who came from a union family. When I mentioned Nisbet's argument, he agreed and got all excited. He said that the union magazine had changed from a family oriented to a political publication. He said that the annual Labor Day picnic had changed from the most important union social event to an event designed primarily for the benefit of the politicians. He and his dad were really unhappy with the union at that time.

I suspect that the politicization of the labor union is a significant factor in the union movement's declining appeal to the ordinary worker.

tbieter wrote: I suspect that the politicization of the labor union is a significant factor in the union movement's declining appeal to the ordinary worker.

I don't really know that much about the history of the American trade union movement but one difference that seems apparent from your account is that trade union membership was illegal for a long time in Europe and membership of a trade union's could lead to imprisonment, transportation or even execution. In fact, in the UK The Tolpuddle Martyrs were transported to Australia in the 1830s, despite trade unions being legal, on trumped up charges in what was a very political decision. Certainly in the UK, and the rest of Western Europe I suspect, the trade union movement has a long tradition of politicisation.

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Thank you for that insight John.


Great information.



It's ironic how Organized Labor has been portrayed throughout the world.


The main stream media repeatedly draws an implication that Organized Labor is violent and is the aggressor. Actually, in my country, America, the opposite is the truth.

In America Organized Labor has been repeatedly attacked and violently abused throughout it's distinguished history.


Thank you John for being open enough to at least search for truth. Most people who are not directly affiliated with Organized Labor believes the hype that is fed to them. I don't look down on people for not understanding the truth found within the concepts and contracts of Organized Labor. This is the circle of life, the gnashing of teeth.






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..............Big ups for Organized Labor in opposing The Worst Philosophy in the History of Mankind.






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Bill Wiltrack wrote: Thank you John for being open enough to at least search for truth. Most people who are not directly affiliated with Organized Labor believes the hype that is fed to them.

You're welcome Bill. In the interests of transparency though I am a trade union member and a former union representative so I'm highly sympathetic to the ideals of trade unionism.

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Please accept my apologies John.


I had no idea of your background.


I feel very badly about my misunderstanding of your comments in another thread.


Best of luck to you and again, I am sorry for the misunderstandings that I had about you.


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Don't worry about it Bill.