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Perspective...
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 1:16 pm
by Bill Wiltrack
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Re: Perspective...
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 12:25 am
by chaz wyman
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GREAT - what a brilliant find!!
Re: Perspective...
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 7:16 pm
by Kayla
this is stupid
nowhere are women required to wear bikinis
Re: Perspective...
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:11 pm
by chaz wyman
Kayla wrote:this is stupid
nowhere are women required to wear bikinis
Clearly you have never heard of peer pressure.
This is exactly the same sort of pressure that many women feel that make them wear burkhas.
Maybe be you can make a list of countries where women are forced to wear burkhas?
Re: Perspective...
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:16 pm
by John
The joke doesn't even require you to believe that each of the women is dressing in a manner dictated to them by men only that each thinks the other is.
I thought it was funny anyway.
Re: Perspective...
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:39 pm
by Arising_uk
Saudi and Afghanistan under the Taliban, plus the current southern warlords require the burka. Can't think of anywhere else.
Can't find anywhere enforcing the bikini.
Re: Perspective...
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:57 pm
by chaz wyman
Arising_uk wrote:Saudi and Afghanistan under the Taliban, plus the current southern warlords require the burka. Can't think of anywhere else.
Can't find anywhere enforcing the bikini.
There is an attempt by the Taliban warlords - but they are not a legislative authority in Afghanistan.
Can you cite a reference for Saudi Arabia to the affect that they enforce the burkha?
Oh look - no burkha.
Re: Perspective...
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:37 pm
by Bill Wiltrack
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Re: Perspective...
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 11:54 am
by chaz wyman
A black cat crossing your path signifies that the animal is going somewhere.
Groucho Marx
A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
Groucho Marx
A hospital bed is a parked taxi with the meter running.
Groucho Marx
A man's only as old as the woman he feels.
Groucho Marx
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
Groucho Marx
Alimony is like buying hay for a dead horse.
Groucho Marx
All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats.
Groucho Marx
Anyone who says he can see through women is missing a lot.
Groucho Marx
Before I speak, I have something important to say.
Groucho Marx
Behind every successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife.
Groucho Marx
Re: Perspective...
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 4:03 pm
by Kayla
so you are saying women can walk around dressed however they want in saudi and anything contrary is a lie
Re: Perspective...
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 4:07 pm
by Kayla
chaz wyman wrote:Kayla wrote:this is stupid
nowhere are women required to wear bikinis
Clearly you have never heard of peer pressure.
This is exactly the same sort of pressure that many women feel that make them wear burkhas.
Maybe be you can make a list of countries where women are forced to wear burkhas?
maybe you can provide a list of places where there is powerful social pressure to wear bikinis
obviously none of the men here have actually talked to a woman or a girl from an islamic country
if you did you would know that in many cases its a lot more than peer pressure
of course men do not need to talk to women to have opinion on womens issues women dont know anything anyway
there is no worse hypocrite than a feminist man
Re: Perspective...
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 11:22 pm
by Bill Wiltrack
Re: Perspective...
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:55 am
by chaz wyman
Kayla wrote:so you are saying women can walk around dressed however they want in saudi and anything contrary is a lie
I am saying that some women do not wear the burkha in Saudi Arabia.
DO you have any evidence that there are laws that are actually enforced in this issue?
Wearing clothes has more to do with social propriety and peer pressure than it does with legislation. This is 90% voluntary.
In 1960 it was not possible in the West to wear a mini-skirt. There was no law against it but you would get arrested for being a prostitute.
Re: Perspective...
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:59 am
by chaz wyman
Kayla wrote:chaz wyman wrote:Kayla wrote:this is stupid
nowhere are women required to wear bikinis
Clearly you have never heard of peer pressure.
This is exactly the same sort of pressure that many women feel that make them wear burkhas.
Maybe be you can make a list of countries where women are forced to wear burkhas?
maybe you can provide a list of places where there is powerful social pressure to wear bikinis
obviously none of the men here have actually talked to a woman or a girl from an islamic country
if you did you would know that in many cases its a lot more than peer pressure
I think it would be worth looking at some evidence on this. Do you have any.
It is fashionable in the West that we like to think about Islamic countries in this way, but few actually conform to our stereotype of them.
Taken as a whole there are a tiny minority across the length and breath of Islam that participate in this practice, and we tend to ignore our own pressure to conform to dress code in our own culture.
DO you really think I want to wear a tie and a suit? Do you thin it is fair that I can't get a normal job unless I comply with this ridiculous custom?
of course men do not need to talk to women to have opinion on womens issues women dont know anything anyway
there is no worse hypocrite than a feminist man
Do you think you are advancing your feminist case with this ridiculous sexist nonsense?
Re: Perspective...
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:02 am
by Kayla
chaz wyman wrote:Kayla wrote:so you are saying women can walk around dressed however they want in saudi and anything contrary is a lie
I am saying that some women do not wear the burkha in Saudi Arabia.
DO you have any evidence that there are laws that are actually enforced in this issue?
yes you are correct women have to wear tentlike clothing and cover their hair but exposing their faces is ok unless their husband or father objects
in many islamic countries there are no laws covering clothing that must be worn but if a womans father or husband decides to use violence to force his own views on the subject the police will certainly not intervene
how many women from islamic countries have you actually talked to about this at a guess id say zero