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i think smoking laws have gone to far when they say you cannot smoke in your own home.

Perhaps, if they said that. However, to my knowledge no law exists which prevents such activity. If it did then it would be an unjust law. Smoking can be restricted in any public space but not in private areas.

You do know he's almost certainly a bot?

It could be some kind of religious law, but I am not sure which religion.

John wrote:You do know he's almost certainly a bot?

Perhaps not. There are places where smoking in the home is banned:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/us/27belmont.html

and some hellfire preachers will not rest until tobacco is driven from the land: http://ash.org/

This anti-smoking activity is economically crazy. Smoking is a major weapon against the pensions crisis.

john215 wrote: i think smoking laws have gone to far when they say you cannot smoke in your own home.

WHo is saying that?

Richard Baron wrote:

John wrote:You do know he's almost certainly a bot?

Perhaps not. There are places where smoking in the home is banned:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/us/27belmont.html

and some hellfire preachers will not rest until tobacco is driven from the land: http://ash.org/

This anti-smoking activity is economically crazy. Smoking is a major weapon against the pensions crisis.

Interesting but irrelevant. I hardly think this is likely to be a law that is enforceable.

The pensions crisis is not resolved by smoking-related diseases.
These diseases are not lethal, they make you a cripple to be cared for by the community.
A so-called Raucherbein is just one example.

To solve the pensions crisis we have to consider pensions as a nice supplement to a normal salary. Everyone should work until they die, keep himself in good shape by walking long distances every day in free nature, praying and fasting.

"If smoking is good for you, then smoke" croaked a cocky genius from Spain and sounded convincing.
His name was Juan Antonio.
He was the highlight of my day.

duszek wrote:The pensions crisis is not resolved by smoking-related diseases. These diseases are not lethal, they make you a cripple to be cared for by the community.

I think that smoking does shorten life expectancy, and that if you impose a reasonable tax on tobacco, you can easily cover the healthcare costs.

duszek wrote:To solve the pensions crisis we have to consider pensions as a nice supplement to a normal salary. Everyone should work until they die, keep himself in good shape by walking long distances every day in free nature, praying and fasting.

I agree with that. It is what I do or intend to do, except that a park in London is not quite free nature, and I do not pray (weil ich weder gläubig, noch abergläubisch, bin) or fast. But I would only recommend it. I would not make it compulsory, or even preach at people who ignore the advice. So we need some confidence that people will act as recommended.

Richard Baron wrote:I think that smoking does shorten life expectancy, and that if you impose a reasonable tax on tobacco, you can easily cover the healthcare costs.

In the UK I thought the smokers actually pay above and beyond their healthcare costs through tobacco tax, they are probably subsidising the healthy.

duszek wrote:To solve the pensions crisis we have to consider pensions as a nice supplement to a normal salary. Everyone should work until they die, keep himself in good shape by walking long distances every day in free nature, praying and fasting.

Nice for the pen-pushers but the labourer looks forward too retirement.

Richard


Of course nobody should be forced to do anything. A friendly suggestion can be followed or not.
I am going to sing mantras at the end of the month, just to see how my soul relaxes by it.
I would be just as willing to try to sing Gregorian chorals but the churches in my city do not offer it.

Mr. Arising

A partly retired labourer can sell tickets in a cinema and see something interesting and feel alive.
I once read about a Japanese woman who retired at the age of 80 and soon went back to work because she was too bored at home all day. She worked in a cafeteria and she resumed her old job.

I used to be good in maths but how can you possibly calculate the costs caused by smokers ?
Have you checked the calculations yourself ? Can you develop ?
I admit that I am doubtful.

Fasting is also done when one sleeps.
Or when you have a migraine and do not eat then you fast.
Or when you are sick (having drunk too much alcohol for example) and wait for getting better.

duszek wrote:Mr. Arising
A partly retired labourer can sell tickets in a cinema and see something interesting and feel alive.
I once read about a Japanese woman who retired at the age of 80 and soon went back to work because she was too bored at home all day. She worked in a cafeteria and she resumed her old job.

Its a fair point duszek and I think one should have the choice. Many have to find part-time work because their pensions are not enough. Do you think if they had enough they'd go back to work rather than do all those hobbies they'd always wished too do but couldn't due to having to work all the time.

I used to be good in maths but how can you possibly calculate the costs caused by smokers ? Have you checked the calculations yourself ? Can you develop ? I admit that I am doubtful.

What do you mean by "the costs caused by smokers", apart from their ill-health? From my position I'd assume that we could work-out the tax take by the revenue upon cigarettes, then the cost to the health-service of smoking-related deaths and illness, and see if this covers any extra costs that the smoker incurs over and above the national-insurance(NI) and tax they already pay.
I'm not standing hard and fast upon this idea, its just that I remember a few decades back a discussion where a tax-man said if we stopped everyone smoking it would not be an overall saving as we'd have to put up NI.