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Abiogenesis - Would it be meteors that came crashing down on earth or simply the volcanos, erupting magma/lava that leads to life in its most basic form?

My hunch tells me that it is indeed the lava/magma of the earth itself that may be the cause of abiogenesis. So if one takes this further, may it be that it only takes this sweet, delicate temperature from a nearby star, adding the life giving light, that supports a fair temperature on the surface of any planet, allowing the volcanos to erupt and lead to all the life possible on this actual planet, any planet again, whatsoever?

The onus is on the question that if it's possible for lava/magma to generate life in its basic form, shooting speed by nature's evolution, then this mystery is solved. Is it?

This for now. Cheers!

[Edit: Some better words for the onus-line.]

A meteor hitting a volcano perhaps?

Very nice! Combining the two...

The question is: why the h*ll should civilisation start on a meteor rather than from the magma/lava from underneath the planet's crust itself?

Is there indeed a capacity, inherently, for magma/lava to start life by simply ejecting some magma/lava onto the the planet's surface and then let the atmosphere, whatever this is, do the rest?

Is this the meeting point between physics, chemistry and biology? I think I'm affirmative on all these three!

I've been told there's a difficulty of separating the lowest forms of life versus f.x. mineral structures or mineral kinds of crystals, having a crystalline nature.

Anyone who may have some more information??? Isn't this peculiar? You know, who can we turn to? All the sciences are hiding something! They don't want to reveal their deficiencies in knowledge. Are they Gods/insane?

We have a mystery here, let's solve it... eh... speculate about it!

Possible experiment: lower a container that's impervious to high temperatures of the magma/lava into the magma/lava and get a load of the magma/lava. Have a lid ready to be lowered on top the container, sealing it, relatively, and get the "stuff", magma/lava, poured into a nearby sterile chamber (through sterile pre-chambers) and then add sterile air and see if bacteria develops or if bacteria can be found whatsoever!

If it turns out magma/lava contains bacteria then the volcanos may be the answer to abiogenesis! I guess one can also experiment with types of gases, eg. methane, nitrogen-oxides, all sorts...

You know there can be the existence of one off events. It's called history

I stick to Type and Token events. This instance of a suggested abiogenesis is indeed of the TYpe event.

Aetixintro wrote:Abiogenesis - Would it be meteors that came crashing down on earth or simply the volcanos, erupting magma/lava that leads to life in its most basic form?

My hunch tells me that it is indeed the lava/magma of the earth itself that may be the cause of abiogenesis. So if one takes this further, may it be that it only takes this sweet, delicate temperature from a nearby star, adding the life giving light, that supports a fair temperature on the surface of any planet, allowing the volcanos to erupt and lead to all the life possible on this actual planet, any planet again, whatsoever?

The onus is if it's possible for lava/magma to generate life in its basic form, shooting speed by nature's evolution. Is it?

This for now. Cheers!

Hydrogen bombs being detonated outside volcanoes? :p

No but seriously, while meteoroids, asteroids and comets do contain organic materials, so did the earth, as far as I'm aware. So what could answer the question would be the answer to this question: Were there more organic building blocks of life on the primordial earth before the bombardment than there were contained in the bombardment?

Actually this question may be loaded: Can we even draw a not-so-arbitrary line between "earth formation by collisions and aggregation of dust and rocks" and "earth formed - bombared by asteroids, comets and meteoroids". Perhaps the cutoff point could be the time at which the earth became cool enough to sustain organic molecules.

Aetixintro wrote: Anyone who may have some more information??? Isn't this peculiar? You know, who can we turn to? All the sciences are hiding something! They don't want to reveal their deficiencies in knowledge. Are they Gods/insane?

Huh? Science only exists BECAUSE there are still deficiencies in knowledge.

Yes, the bombardment... Am I supposed to laugh?

Yes. I don't deny the deficiencies, but you need to investigate a good deal before you uncover them. I think scientists should be more open on what they don't know in addition to what they can tell.

Aetixintro wrote:Abiogenesis - Would it be meteors that came crashing down on earth or simply the volcanos, erupting magma/lava that leads to life in its most basic form?

My hunch tells me that it is indeed the lava/magma of the earth itself that may be the cause of abiogenesis. So if one takes this further, may it be that it only takes this sweet, delicate temperature from a nearby star, adding the life giving light, that supports a fair temperature on the surface of any planet, allowing the volcanos to erupt and lead to all the life possible on this actual planet, any planet again, whatsoever?

The onus is if it's possible for lava/magma to generate life in its basic form, shooting speed by nature's evolution. Is it?

This for now. Cheers!

The experiment that produced amino acids in a test tube filled with a simulated ancient earth atmosphere was completed in the 1950s for the first time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment

There is nothing in meteors that is not already present on the earth.
So there is no reason why we should consider this question important, as there is no complex molecules on meteors.
This may be nothing more than a way of making study of the asteroid belt, and near earth objects slightly more 'sexy' to get funds for research.