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Here's an idea that will probably resonate for some people here...

Let's NOT allow any female on the planet (or within a desired territory) to prevent a reproducing organism from using her body as an incubating host. Rather, we'll WELCOME (at any cost) the millions of fetuses to fully develop to be birthed into babies every year, and then we can speed the demise of this beautiful planet due to absurdly ignorant over-population.

Is that what some of you want -- to be absurdly ignorant?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 2:06 am Here's an idea that will probably resonate for some people here...

Let's NOT allow any female on the planet (or within a desired territory) to prevent a reproducing organism from using her body as an incubating host. Rather, we'll WELCOME (at any cost) the millions of fetuses to fully develop to be birthed into babies every year, and then we can speed the demise of this beautiful planet due to absurdly ignorant over-population.

Is that what some of you want -- to be absurdly ignorant?

That's an ignorant solution.
Did you mean to post in the joke forum?

The solution is to end unwanted pregnancies.
viewtopic.php?p=811646#p811646

How that's done is the issue.
Obviously, scientific birth control ain't cuttin' the mustard.

Obviously, it needs to begin with the mind, not the hoo-ha.

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 8:55 am The solution is to end unwanted pregnancies.

How that's done is the issue.

Obviously, it needs to begin with the mind, not the hoo-ha.

What should be done in the meantime while we wait for some grand evolution of minds?

well, if ignorance is bliss...

and if humans need more space to fill, they'll eventually find it

-Imp

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 11:31 am

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 8:55 am The solution is to end unwanted pregnancies.

How that's done is the issue.

Obviously, it needs to begin with the mind, not the hoo-ha.

What should be done in the meantime while we wait for some grand evolution of minds?

So, apparently you do agree with the clarification of the abortion issue.
The issue actually is not abortion.

The issue is unwanted pregnancy.
The issue is that unwanted pregnancy is not a problem.
Just get an abortion.

Greatly reduce unwanted pregnancies and abortions are greatly reduced.
In some cults, abortion has become the rule and not the rare exception.

When unwanted pregnancy becomes a problem,
Unwanted pregnancies will decrease,
Without all the killing of humans in that stage of development.

Has your mind evolved to recognize this?

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 3:44 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 11:31 am

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 8:55 am The solution is to end unwanted pregnancies.

How that's done is the issue.

Obviously, it needs to begin with the mind, not the hoo-ha.

What should be done in the meantime while we wait for some grand evolution of minds?

So, apparently...

It's almost painful reading your convoluted redirect. (No, you do not understand my position, and I do not care if you ever do.)

Based on your statements quoted above, are you unable to answer the question: What should be done in the meantime while we wait for some grand evolution of minds? Could be a while. Not any other alternative is there? Birth babies or abort fetuses. Then does your position support the absurdly ignorant Fetus Invasion plan after all?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 5:43 pm

- First, the issue must be defined.
- I defined the problem, you did not.

- The issue is unwanted pregnancy, and the why of that has been explained.
- You say that unwanted pregnancies lead to unwanted children, and those who disagree with abortion, must support them.
- In other words, if you want an abortion and can't get one, everyone else must support the kid.
- What is your reasoning to support that ignorant solution of yours?
- You have explained nothing to support your ignorant plan.

I have already supplied the reasoning for the intelligent solution, which is, make unwanted pregnancies a problem.
Currently, with easy access to abortion, unwanted pregnancy is not a problem.

Even Festus was first a fetus.
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Walker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 11:22 pm blah, blah, blah...

wrong again... and more avoidance...

The ignorant plan is a joke aimed at people like you and I.C. who want to condemn people for what they do TO AVOID THE IGNORANT PLAN. And it is so ignorant, even YOU agree! So, what immediate alternative do you propose other than making up stupid definitions that everyone has to agree to (despite this going on since the beginning of mankind)?

C'mon, move forward already! Fetuses are approaching the planet in great numbers!!

You want an immediate solution to a societal problem decades in the making, decades that have made the societal problem acceptable.

Aren't you the unreasonable one. Everything done in a panic.

Don't be the joke of reality, Lacy.
Dance with the Now and not your Need.

Consider the truth and wisdom that you're getting, rather than the answer that you think you need.
Why so eager to kill the little fetus?
What is this bloodlust?

Back in the olden days even folks like the former fetus, Festus, knew that pregnancy was a big deal. Both the wanted pregnancies and the unwanted pregnancies literally threatened the life of the fertile. This was a big problem. Pregnancy was more than an inconvenience, it was a real risk.

I heard through the grapevine that now, abortions to save the mother’s life are rather rare, relatively speaking. Abortion is called health care because of the care for the mother’s mental health, Science in most hospitals has the physical covered. The mental-health care amounts to flushing the physical problem away, which could cause callouses to form on the mental health to the extent that infanticide starts creating apologists.

Within the pages of Empire of the Summer Moon there’s a story (reporting) of a wagon train headed West that stopped near an Indian village to camp for awhile. A man from the wagon train slipped over to the village at night and raped an Indian maiden. This was a big problem.

The village leaders went to the wagon train leaders to discuss the problem. It was agreed the wagon train would turn the rapist over to Indian justice. Indian justice consisted of giving the rapist to the women of the village, who proceeded to tie the rapist to a wagon wheel and spend the next twenty-four hours killing him. They were expert skinners.

No doubt the men and boys in the wagon train got the message that rape would be a big problem if they should get the notion, so they should perish the thought. Back then in the olden days, the birds and bees talk for the young women included the big warning that swallowing a watermelon seed would be a big problem, for them.

Now in the age of science that can prevent unwanted pregnancies, they still occur, apparently quite often.

Abortion doesn’t even come close to addressing the actual issue.
Abortion just subsidizes the actual issue by making abortion convenient, and for some another passage of life.

Once you accept that the root of the problem is unwanted pregnancies, then you can begin to do some actual constructive thinking about what causes that situation ... at least in theory.

Then Shiva will know where to point Shakti, in you.

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 1:04 am You want an immediate solution to a societal problem decades in the making, decades that have made the societal problem acceptable.

No, YOU are the one condemning people for the way they are handling a situation that has been part of human biology since the dawn of humans. What alternative do YOU expect people to do here and now?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 2:12 am

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 1:04 am You want an immediate solution to a societal problem decades in the making, decades that have made the societal problem acceptable.

No, YOU are the one condemning people for the way they are handling a situation that has been part of human biology since the dawn of humans. What alternative do YOU expect people to do here and now?

He is a huge fan of butt sex. Also gay stuff with dildos. Walker loves it all and never gets preggo.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 7:44 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 2:12 am

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 1:04 am You want an immediate solution to a societal problem decades in the making, decades that have made the societal problem acceptable.

No, YOU are the one condemning people for the way they are handling a situation that has been part of human biology since the dawn of humans. What alternative do YOU expect people to do here and now?

He is a huge fan of butt sex. Also gay stuff with dildos. Walker loves it all and never gets preggo.

Okay, really, Mr. Dangerpants? I was just having my lunch. However, I see that you were just kindly trying to answer my question. Thank you.

You're right, though... something strange IS going on because nothing he says makes any sense. There must be some other agenda at work!

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 8:17 pmsomething strange IS going on ...

That would be Flashdangerpants' anti-truth agenda.

Question to AI:
Is spreading false and malicious information about someone, evil?

AI answer:
Yes, spreading false and malicious information about someone is considered evil and is often referred to as slander or gossip. Such actions can damage reputations and relationships, and they are condemned in many ethical and religious teachings.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 2:12 am

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 1:04 am You want an immediate solution to a societal problem decades in the making, decades that have made the societal problem acceptable.

No, YOU are the one condemning people for the way they are handling a situation that has been part of human biology since the dawn of humans. What alternative do YOU expect people to do here and now?

No, I’m clarifying the issue.

The issue is not money.
The issue is not abortion access.
The issue is not silencing opposition to abortion.
The issue is not killing the very purpose of love, and the reason for love.

The issue is … unwanted pregnancies.

Once you accept that, and turn your fecund brain in that direction, feasible solutions ensue.
They are not snap decisions.
They are not decisions made just to answer hectoring.
They are not panicked decisions.
They are not wrong decisions ...
... for they save killers of the innocent from a lifetime of guilt.