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I've made no secret of the fact that I think Rupert Lowe is one of the very few honest Members of Parliament. A few weeks ago he announced that his Restore Britain movement would now become a political party, and it has gained huge momentum in that short time.

I've been considering joining it, though I'm not massively into politics, or at least, not how it's usually done. But instead of just rushing in, I've joined some of their Facebook groups to ask a few questions. If I get any replies, and if they're interesting, I'll post them here. And if I don't like what they tell me, I'll say so.

At the 2024 general election I voted Reform, that is, Nigel Farage's party, but was extremely disappointed in them when they promised an independent rape gang inquiry, then quietly forgot about it.

It's also worth noting that Reform and Restore are completely separate, despite their similarity of names, which is a bit silly, in my opinion. There's even another one, called Reclaim.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 10:59 am I've made no secret of the fact that I think Rupert Lowe is one of the very few honest Members of Parliament. A few weeks ago he announced that his Restore Britain movement would now become a political party, and it has gained huge momentum in that short time.

I've been considering joining it, though I'm not massively into politics, or at least, not how it's usually done. But instead of just rushing in, I've joined some of their Facebook groups to ask a few questions. If I get any replies, and if they're interesting, I'll post them here. And if I don't like what they tell me, I'll say so.

At the 2024 general election I voted Reform, that is, Nigel Farage's party, but was extremely disappointed in them when they promised an independent rape gang inquiry, then quietly forgot about it.

It's also worth noting that Reform and Restore are completely separate, despite their similarity of names, which is a bit silly, in my opinion. There's even another one, called Reclaim.

Restore? Sounds like Make Britain Great Again.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 11:09 am

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 10:59 am I've made no secret of the fact that I think Rupert Lowe is one of the very few honest Members of Parliament. A few weeks ago he announced that his Restore Britain movement would now become a political party, and it has gained huge momentum in that short time.

I've been considering joining it, though I'm not massively into politics, or at least, not how it's usually done. But instead of just rushing in, I've joined some of their Facebook groups to ask a few questions. If I get any replies, and if they're interesting, I'll post them here. And if I don't like what they tell me, I'll say so.

At the 2024 general election I voted Reform, that is, Nigel Farage's party, but was extremely disappointed in them when they promised an independent rape gang inquiry, then quietly forgot about it.

It's also worth noting that Reform and Restore are completely separate, despite their similarity of names, which is a bit silly, in my opinion. There's even another one, called Reclaim.

Restore? Sounds like Make Britain Great Again.

It's sort of like that, I suppose. I prefer Make England Great Again, though, because it spells MEGA.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 11:09 am Restore? Sounds like Make Britain Great Again.

Restore / Reform ... Pretty much just the UK arm of MAGA. Their real issue though is that they need the same social media clout that MAGA has, and to get that they must kowtow to the same oligarchs and bot farms that provide the MAGA with those services.

Thus we have the absurd spectacle this last week of Farage and some other UK right-wingers trying to get the UK into this mad new adventure in Iran which is pure political poison over here. Farage went so far as to try and get a photo op at Mar-a-Lago. When that failed and he looked like the complete shaved-bollock that he is, suddenly Farage decided .... 'We Should Not Join War on Iran' – Farage's Sudden U-Turn Post-Mar-a-Lago Snub

And now his (Reform) party is slowly filling up with refugees from the sinking Tory party, which itself used to be led by the types of Margaret Thatcher, Benjamin Disraeli and Winston Churchill, but was recently fronted by a woman who was previously most famous for shouting about cheese and would in turn be compared unfavourably to a lettuce.

That inflow of political hacks is however dislodging all of the crazy people who formed the outsider class of political neophyte that has been elected to local councils in England to represent Reform. This problematic collection of utter idiots and psychos was already a laughingstock with absurd levels of resignation and expulsion. But now they are cut off from career advancement as well because renegade Tories are replacing all the middle management of that party. So it's time for them to drift a little more to the right, and they are joining up with Rupert in (Restore).

The question is, where will Elon Musk end up? This all belongs to him.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 12:03 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 11:09 am Restore? Sounds like Make Britain Great Again.

Pretty much. Their real issue though is that they need the same social media clout that MAGA has, and to get that they must kowtow to the same oligarchs and bot farms that provide the MAGA with those services.

Thus we have the absurd spectacle this last week of Farage and some other UK right-wingers trying to get the UK into this mad new adventure in Iran which is pure political poison over here. Farage went so far as to try and get a photo op at Mar-a-Lago. When that failed and he looked like the complete shaved-bollock that he is, suddenly Farage decided .... 'We Should Not Join War on Iran' – Farage's Sudden U-Turn Post-Mar-a-Lago Snub

And now his party is slowly filling up with refugees from the sinking Tory party, which itself used to be led by the types of Margaret Thatcher, Benjamin Disraeli and Winston Churchill, but was recently fronted by a woman who was previously most famous for shouting about cheese and would in turn be compared unfavourably to a lettuce.

That inflow of political hacks is however dislodging all of the crazy people who formed the outsider class of political neophyte that has been elected to local councils in England to represent Reform. This problematic collection of utter idiots and psychos was already a laughingstock with absurd levels of resignation and expulsion. But now they are cut off from career advancement as well because renegade Tories are replacing all the middle management of that party. So it's time for them to drift a little more to the right, and they are joining up with Rupert.

The question is, where will Elon Musk end up? This all belongs to him.

Everything you say about Reform is correct, but I wasn't talking about them. I was talking about Restore, as I suspect you know full well. Restore has consistently, and very vocally, opposed any British involvement in Iran. If Nigel Farage and Reform have changed their position, that's probably why.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 12:09 pm Everything you say about Reform is correct, but I wasn't talking about them. I was talking about Restore, as I suspect you know full well. Restore has consistently, and very vocally, opposed any British involvement in Iran. If Nigel Farage and Reform have changed their position, that's probably why.

I had already edited my post to make it clearer where I am talking about the parent and where I am about the offspring.

Kemi Badenoch is also in all this mess and performed the same reverse-ferret

I suspect that disastrous polling is the actual reason why both changed their positions, not the largely insignificant Little Lord Rupert of WhatsHisFace.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 12:19 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 12:09 pm Everything you say about Reform is correct, but I wasn't talking about them. I was talking about Restore, as I suspect you know full well. Restore has consistently, and very vocally, opposed any British involvement in Iran. If Nigel Farage and Reform have changed their position, that's probably why.

I had already edited my post to make it clearer where I am talking about the parent and where I am about the offspring.

Kemi Badenoch is also in all this mess and performed the same reverse-ferret

I suspect that disastrous polling is the actual reason why both changed their positions, not the largely insignificant Little Lord Rupert of WhatsHisFace.

Restore was on 7% in one poll, which, coincidentally, is about how much Reform have dropped. It's very early days yet, but they have to start somewhere.

But, as I said, I'll wait to hear what they have to say for themselves. So far, my first question in what appears to be the main Restore group has garnered eight likes, but no answer yet. It's only been up an hour or so, though.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 12:32 pm But, as I said, I'll wait to hear what they have to say for themselves. So far, my first question in what appears to be the main Restore group has garnered eight likes, but no answer yet. It's only been up an hour or so, though.

OK, what was the question?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 12:35 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 12:32 pm But, as I said, I'll wait to hear what they have to say for themselves. So far, my first question in what appears to be the main Restore group has garnered eight likes, but no answer yet. It's only been up an hour or so, though.

OK, what was the question?

+++Greetings. I'd like to ask what Restore Britain's policies on disability issues are. With regard to benefits, employment law, and so on.+++

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 12:38 pm +++Greetings. I'd like to ask what Restore Britain's policies on disability issues are. With regard to benefits, employment law, and so on.+++

Happy investigating. Do they have policies on that stuff yet?


Don't let them off without a plan for how to fund the NHS end of all that.

I think it's easy to guess what the policies on benefits for people with disabilities will be.

Take away benefits from those who abuse the system and keep benefits for those who "really need" them.

These are kind of policies that political parties adopt ... either policies which nobody will disagree with or policies which appeal to their base supporters.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 2:06 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 12:38 pm +++Greetings. I'd like to ask what Restore Britain's policies on disability issues are. With regard to benefits, employment law, and so on.+++

Happy investigating. Do they have policies on that stuff yet?


Don't let them off without a plan for how to fund the NHS end of all that.

Not sure, but hopefully I'll find out, and I certainly won't let them off. So far I've had a couple of replies, nothing specific though, just the fairly standard line of benefits for those who actually need them, but not for those who don't. Nothing about employment law yet, which is possibly more contentious.

phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 2:43 pm I think it's easy to guess what the policies on benefits for people with disabilities will be.

Take away benefits from those who abuse the system and keep benefits for those who "really need" them.

These are kind of policies that political parties adopt ... either policies which nobody will disagree with or policies which appeal to their base supporters.

Yes, that's very much their policy, it seems.

Well, there have been quite a lot of replies now, but other than the two I mentioned, none have been directed at me, even though I made a further comment, asking about employment law, about six hours ago. They seem to be just chatting among themselves. I'd forgotten how irritating Facebook can be.

7 percent can get a party A LOT of power under a proportional representation system which is certainly a double-edged sword. In a country like England you could LITERALLY end up with Sharia so it's probably best to keep the status quo.