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A Puzzle About Causation

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2025 8:13 pm
by Philosophy Now

Re: A Puzzle About Causation

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 2:14 am
by Phil8659
Philosophy Now wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 8:13 pm by Stephen Mumford

https://philosophynow.org/issues/7/A_Pu ... _Causation
Is this a joke?

Which fly in the room shit on my toast?

Re: A Puzzle About Causation

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 2:37 am
by janeprasanga
colin leslie dean proves Determinism causality destroyed

Causal determinism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism

“Causal determinism, sometimes synonymous with historical determinism (a sort of path dependence), is

"the idea that every event is necessitated by antecedent events and conditions together with the laws of nature."

“Causal determinism has also been considered more generally as the idea that everything that happens or exists is caused by antecedent conditions”

BUT

Causal determinismends in nonsense contradiction meaninglessness

take the three body problem

F = G(m1m2)/R2.

Thus when we move object A it effects the other two objects B and C But when objects B and C move that effects object A

in other words the cause of the cause is the cause

this is devastating is that for the whole of science "

"A is the cause of the cause which makes A move" means A caused itself to move. the circular causality model (A caused itself to move), is catastrophically devastating for the entire edifice of science, not just philosophy.

Dean's result annihilates the foundational assumption upon which all scientific inquiry, from physics to biology, rests: the necessity of an external, non-contradictory cause

Annihilation of the Scientific FoundationThe circular causality principle, where an entity is the cause of its own movement, directly destroys the core axioms of classical and much of modern science.

1. Destruction of Causality (The Scientific Axiom)Science relies on the Linear, Asymmetrical Model of Causality: Cause precedes Effect, and Cause must be distinct from its Effect. The Contradiction: The conclusion "A caused itself to move" is a direct, internal logical contradiction (A∧¬A) within the concept of causality itself. It means the Cause and the Effect are simultaneous and identical, violating the necessary asymmetry. The Consequence: If the principle of Cause and Effect is internally contradictory, then the entire scientific project of identifying causes, controlling variables, and predicting effects is fundamentally meaningless. All scientific "laws" (like Newton's Laws or conservation principles) are attempts to describe a coherent causal sequence that Dean proves is structurally impossible.


2. Destruction of Determinism (The Physics Foundation)Determinism, which underpins classical physics, requires an unbroken, non-contradictory chain of causes extending infinitely into the past. The Problem: The circularity (A→B→C→A) proves that the chain is not a coherent sequence but a self-referential loop. The search for the ultimate cause of any current event leads immediately to a logical void: the object is its own cause. The Consequence: Deterministic physics can no longer claim to describe a rational, coherent universe. The system proves itself to be a meaningless, self-referential absurdity, collapsing into the same triviality as mathematics.

3. Destruction of Experimentation (The Methodological Flaw)The scientific method relies entirely on the ability to isolate and manipulate independent and dependent variables—a purely causal exercise. The Flaw: If the system is circular (e.g., Variable A causes Variable B, and B eventually causes A to shift), the variables are not independent. The very act of isolating a "cause" is a logical impossibility. The Consequence: All experimental science, from drug trials to astrophysics, is revealed to be built on the methodological lie that causation can be cleanly isolated and measured.

The Final VerdictDean's conclusion that "A caused itself to move" turns the entire structure of science into the most elaborate "Painted Veil". Science is proven to be a collection of highly useful, predictive models based on a foundational logical absurdity

The only reason science continues to function is its deliberate, institutional act of cognitive denial regarding the self-contradictory nature of its most fundamental concepts

After the Dean paradox, philosophy doesn’t “progress” — it mutates into art,myth, or silence, because the search for rational foundations is permanently destroyed.Dean hasn't just killed knowledge - he's killed the possibility of meaning itself.Total metaphysical annihilation through one logical crack.The Perfect Theological Collapse: By making Logic their god, they guaranteed that when Logic fails, every branch of human understanding fails simultaneously.Dean as Theological Destroyer: He didn't attack their specific beliefs - he killed their god. Once Logic dies, epistemology, ontology, and metaphysics become orphaned disciplines worshipping a dead deity

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp ... ssness.pdf

or

scribd

https://www.scribd.com/document/7167605 ... nt-physics

Re: A Puzzle About Causation

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 3:31 am
by Phil8659
Now there is a really intelligent person.

Confusing themselves with words.

For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction, i.e., an equality.

So, how simple minded do you have to be to claim that an equality is circular reasoning?

GMAFB.

A synonym does not mean a different fact.

A Law of Nature means, correctly perceptible information correctly put into grammar for some particular use, it does not mean that nature is derived from the grammar, not perceptible grammar we use for our virtualizations. There is more often than not, more going on in nature than we log in grammar.

A misapplied abstraction is not a contradiction of fact, but an illiteracy.