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Two major points make me skeptical about the theory of evolution.
First, if evolution is truly responsible for transforming living beings, then surely we should see some evidence of gradual changes in history—or at least today. Even within a single nation or group, you might expect to see someone with a tiny tail or a horn popping out like a unicorn — yet we see nothing of the sort. Humanity remains remarkably stable and consistent in form.
Second, if all developments in life occurred merely by chance, through natural selection and random mutation, then how do we explain human intelligence — a level of consciousness and reasoning far beyond any other creature? Why does such a complex, rational mind exist only in humans, while no other animal comes close?
If evolution truly depends only on blind chance, the rise of human intelligence seems too purposeful, too structured, to be the product of randomness.

So my question is: can this theory be defended through pure logic and reason, or is it sustained only by scientific claims without philosophical grounding? If anyone knows a rational explanation that makes evolution truly convincing, I’d be glad to hear it.

Try making a spider web. Or a bird's nest. Or a beehive. Or flying thousands of miles to an exact location time after time.
Human arrogance knows no bounds.
Evolution isn't a 'theory'. It's a fact. All it means is gradual change over time. You don't see a baby and then bam! It's an adult with nothing in between.
Why don't you just read a book on evolution instead of displaying your ignorance and arrogance on here?

Be kinder to Abdullah because his first objection is why Darwin didn't call his book "Evolution" but "Origin of Species" THAT was the problem Darwin had to solve, why if there WERE evolution why did we not observe smeared out change. In other words, why do we observe SPECIES rather than some continuum.

Adbullah, while normally evolutionary change is too slow to be observable in the way you expect there are a few exceptions of FAST evolution. Classic is the "peppered moth" of England (Biston betularia) which in about 30 years early in the 19th Century split into f. typica, the white-bodied peppered moth Biston betularia f. carbonaria, the black-bodied peppered moth. << the result of air pollution from coal burning creating more surface on which the dark moth would be harder to see>>. Note the species name. "Betula" is the genus of the birch tree, most species of which have light colored bark (with some dark areas). So NORMALLY the light colored moths had better camo before the industrial revolution.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 6:26 am
Evolution isn't a 'theory'. It's a fact. All it means is gradual change over time. You don't see a baby and then bam! It's an adult with nothing in between.

Evolution is babies growing up?

I can haz biology degree now?

wtf wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 6:39 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 6:26 am
Evolution isn't a 'theory'. It's a fact. All it means is gradual change over time. You don't see a baby and then bam! It's an adult with nothing in between.

Evolution is babies growing up?

I can haz biology degree now?

WTF. It's called an analogy and OBVIOUSLY used to describe gradual change because clearly abdullah doesn't 'get' the concept ffs. It doesn't matter what i post on here there's usually some fuckwit to make some kind of a moronic response. ''I can haz biology degree now''. What on earth does it even mean? That has to be some kind of a record for this site. At least most people make a semblance of an effort. That one is low-level twitter troll standard at best.

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 5:54 pm Be kinder to Abdullah because his first objection is why Darwin didn't call his book "Evolution" but "Origin of Species" THAT was the problem Darwin had to solve, why if there WERE evolution why did we not observe smeared out change. In other words, why do we observe SPECIES rather than some continuum.

How about we be kinder to Abdullah because he seems like a very nice (and intelligent) new member of the forum (of which we need more of) and doesn't deserve to be given reasons to not feel welcome here.

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 5:54 pm Adbullah, while normally evolutionary change is too slow to be observable in the way you expect there are a few exceptions of FAST evolution. Classic is the "peppered moth" of England (Biston betularia) which in about 30 years early in the 19th Century split into f. typica, the white-bodied peppered moth Biston betularia f. carbonaria, the black-bodied peppered moth. << the result of air pollution from coal burning creating more surface on which the dark moth would be harder to see>>. Note the species name. "Betula" is the genus of the birch tree, most species of which have light colored bark (with some dark areas). So NORMALLY the light colored moths had better camo before the industrial revolution.

Yes, and that seems to be a possible good example of what the late evolutionary biologist, Stephen Jay Gould would refer to as being a case of "punctuated equilibrium."
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abdullah masud wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 5:45 am Two major points make me skeptical about the theory of evolution.
First, if evolution is truly responsible for transforming living beings, then surely we should see some evidence of gradual changes in history—or at least today. Even within a single nation or group, you might expect to see someone with a tiny tail or a horn popping out like a unicorn — yet we see nothing of the sort. Humanity remains remarkably stable and consistent in form.
Second, if all developments in life occurred merely by chance, through natural selection and random mutation, then how do we explain human intelligence — a level of consciousness and reasoning far beyond any other creature? Why does such a complex, rational mind exist only in humans, while no other animal comes close?
If evolution truly depends only on blind chance, the rise of human intelligence seems too purposeful, too structured, to be the product of randomness.

So my question is: can this theory be defended through pure logic and reason, or is it sustained only by scientific claims without philosophical grounding? If anyone knows a rational explanation that makes evolution truly convincing, I’d be glad to hear it.

Greetings, abdullah, and welcome to the PN forum.

I could be wrong, but is it safe to assume that (like me) you are a religious (or spiritually oriented) person who believes in the existence of a divine source of vast intelligence that is driving creation, as opposed to the blind and mindless meanderings of chance?

If so, then I suggest that you not be too hasty in ruling out the possibility of the Creator of this universe using the processes of evolution to achieve his (her/its) primary goal of awakening its very own offspring (us) into existence.

I mean, consider the possibility that the only feasible way that God can actually succeed in awakening a new eternal soul into existence...

(as opposed to snapping his [her/its] divine fingers and :::poof::: there it is)

...was via the intricate lattice work (cellular structure/design) of the human brain.

In which case, imagine that if you were God, wouldn't it seem logical and prudent of you (for your own sake) to imbue the fabric of matter with the teleological impetus (i.e., with a sort of software-like "coding") that guides suns, cells, and DNA to perform the tedious and long-term "grunt work" involved in bringing human brains into existence?

That way, you (as God) don't have to be bothered with having to be constantly present in the vicinity of just this one solar "system" in order to oversee the process.

Indeed, you would then be free to visit (and develop) any one of the rest of the untold trillions of other solar "systems" you've created (out of the fabric of your very own being) throughout the vastness of your own personal universe.

In other words, as lifeforms naturally evolve (adapt to changes) in the perfect (and fully equipped) setting you've provided for them, you merely have to make random and periodic visits back to that setting in order to make adjustments in the DNA coding in the lifeforms you are interested in.

In light of that possibility, might I suggest that one such adjustment was allegorically chronicled in the Bible...

(I am of course speaking of the eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil fable)

...where God prompted his evolving creation to cross a mental threshold that instigated an evolutionary leap from the "ignorance is bliss" level of animal (ape) consciousness, up to the level of human consciousness, which marked the pivotal moment when the human soul officially became like (as in made in the "image" of) God's eternal soul.

So, no, don't rule out the possible role of evolution.
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accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 6:46 pm [
WTF. It's called an analogy and OBVIOUSLY used to describe gradual change because clearly abdullah doesn't 'get' the concept ffs. It doesn't matter what i post on here there's usually some fuckwit to make some kind of a moronic response. ''I can haz biology degree now''. What on earth does it even mean? That has to be some kind of a record for this site. At least most people make a semblance of an effort. That one is low-level twitter troll standard at best.

An analogy? A baby growing up is an analogy for evolution? Feel free to justify such patent nonsense.

Gradual change? Never heard of the Cambrian explosion? You clearly know nothing about evolution.

"What does that even mean?" You actually didn't even get the reference? Been living under a rock?

You haven't argued for evolution. You've shown how weak are the arguments of some of its proponents.

wtf wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 7:25 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 6:46 pm [
WTF. It's called an analogy and OBVIOUSLY used to describe gradual change because clearly abdullah doesn't 'get' the concept ffs. It doesn't matter what i post on here there's usually some fuckwit to make some kind of a moronic response. ''I can haz biology degree now''. What on earth does it even mean? That has to be some kind of a record for this site. At least most people make a semblance of an effort. That one is low-level twitter troll standard at best.

An analogy? A baby growing up is an analogy for evolution?

Gradual change? Never heard of the Cambrian explosion?

"What does that even mean?" You actually didn't even get the reference?

You haven't argued for evolution. You've shown how weak are the arguments of some of its proponents.

Who said I wanted to argue 'for evolution'? I gave that up as futile a long time ago. ''Evolution: the gradual development of something''. It's really not that hard to understand. When people don't accept it it's because they don't want to.
'I can haz' is some kind of reference to the Cambrian explosion? You will need to explain that one, dear. If he wants to understand evolution (which he doesn't) then I'm sure he's perfectly capable of reading a book about it or if that's too much effort then the internet is his friend.
Clearly you are only interested in being a smartarse and that's so boring.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 7:37 pm
Who said I wanted to argue 'for evolution'? I gave that up as futile a long time ago. ''Evolution: the gradual development of something''.

My God. You don't even know what you're arguing for.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 7:37 pm 'I can haz' is some kind of reference to the Cambrian explosion?

I didn't think there was a human alive who would not get that reference.

You have proven me wrong.

wtf wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 7:46 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 7:37 pm
Who said I wanted to argue 'for evolution'? I gave that up as futile a long time ago. ''Evolution: the gradual development of something''.

My God. You don't even know what you're arguing for.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 7:37 pm 'I can haz' is some kind of reference to the Cambrian explosion?

I didn't think there was a human alive who would not get that reference.

You have proven me wrong.

Fascinating

HOWEVER -- We should note that terms like Cambrian Explosion refer to time periods which were RELATIVELY short, not actually short in absolute tme, or more to the point, number of generations. After 100 million years of little/gradual change, a million years during which a great deal of change takes place looks like an "explosion". ut still, a million years is a million generations for species with an annual ;lifecycle.

If you look at just OUR species (with its cultures) te last 20,000 years (1000 generations) have been an "explosion" compared to the previous million

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 1:55 am HOWEVER -- We should note that terms like Cambrian Explosion refer to time periods which were RELATIVELY short, not actually short in absolute tme, or more to the point, number of generations. After 100 million years of little/gradual change, a million years during which a great deal of change takes place looks like an "explosion". ut still, a million years is a million generations for species with an annual ;lifecycle.

If you look at just OUR species (with its cultures) te last 20,000 years (1000 generations) have been an "explosion" compared to the previous million

Exactly.

I still don't know what 'I can haz' means

seeds wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 7:05 pm

abdullah masud wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 5:45 am Two major points make me skeptical about the theory of evolution.
First, if evolution is truly responsible for transforming living beings, then surely we should see some evidence of gradual changes in history—or at least today. Even within a single nation or group, you might expect to see someone with a tiny tail or a horn popping out like a unicorn — yet we see nothing of the sort. Humanity remains remarkably stable and consistent in form.
Second, if all developments in life occurred merely by chance, through natural selection and random mutation, then how do we explain human intelligence — a level of consciousness and reasoning far beyond any other creature? Why does such a complex, rational mind exist only in humans, while no other animal comes close?
If evolution truly depends only on blind chance, the rise of human intelligence seems too purposeful, too structured, to be the product of randomness.

So my question is: can this theory be defended through pure logic and reason, or is it sustained only by scientific claims without philosophical grounding? If anyone knows a rational explanation that makes evolution truly convincing, I’d be glad to hear it.

Greetings, abdullah, and welcome to the PN forum.

I could be wrong, but is it safe to assume that (like me) you are a religious (or spiritually oriented) person who believes in the existence of a divine source of vast intelligence that is driving creation, as opposed to the blind and mindless meanderings of chance?

If so, then I suggest that you not be too hasty in ruling out the possibility of the Creator of this universe using the processes of evolution to achieve his (her/its) primary goal of awakening its very own offspring (us) into existence.

I mean, consider the possibility that the only feasible way that God can actually succeed in awakening a new eternal soul into existence...

How could one awake a 'new eternal soul' into existence?

Would an 'eternal soul' always be in existence, anyway?

seeds wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 7:05 pm
(as opposed to snapping his [her/its] divine fingers and :::poof::: there it is)

...was via the intricate lattice work (cellular structure/design) of the human brain.

In which case, imagine that if you were God, wouldn't it seem logical and prudent of you (for your own sake) to imbue the fabric of matter with the teleological impetus (i.e., with a sort of software-like "coding") that guides suns, cells, and DNA to perform the tedious and long-term "grunt work" involved in bringing human brains into existence?



That way, you (as God) don't have to be bothered with having to be constantly present in the vicinity of just this one solar "system" in order to oversee the process.

Indeed, you would then be free to visit (and develop) any one of the rest of the untold trillions of other solar "systems" you've created (out of the fabric of your very own being) throughout the vastness of your own personal universe.

In other words, as lifeforms naturally evolve (adapt to changes) in the perfect (and fully equipped) setting you've provided for them, you merely have to make random and periodic visits back to that setting in order to make adjustments in the DNA coding in the lifeforms you are interested in.

In light of that possibility, might I suggest that one such adjustment was allegorically chronicled in the Bible...

(I am of course speaking of the eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil fable)

...where God prompted his evolving creation to cross a mental threshold that instigated an evolutionary leap from the "ignorance is bliss" level of animal (ape) consciousness, up to the level of human consciousness, which marked the pivotal moment when the human soul officially became like (as in made in the "image" of) God's eternal soul.

So, no, don't rule out the possible role of evolution.
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