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Naina Krishnamurthy asks if it’s ethical or egregious.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/170/Forced_Vaccination

forced to public school

-Imp

The assertions re covid don't make any logical sense.
Wouldn't the 'elderly neighbour' have been vaccinated herself?
It was never claimed that the vaccine stopped you from getting covid--only that it would make the symptoms milder.
How would being vaccinated prevent you from being a 'carrier'? If the vaccine worked then surely it would have protected the neighbour. If she got that sick after being vaccinated then that would indicate the vaccine didn't work anyway, therefore it wouldn't have made any difference if her 'cookie eating' neighbour was vaccinated or not.
People get vaccinated to protect THEMSELVES. That's how it works. If I got a 'flu vaccine it would be to prevent ME from getting 'flu. It wouldn't be to prevent hypothetical elderly neighbours from getting it. It's up to them to get themselves vaccinated if they choose to.
If there was a disease that ONLY killed the very old, then forcing children to have a vaccine to keep the very old alive for longer would be unethical--akin to using children as organ donors for the old. It would also make no scientific sense because the elderly could simply get vaccinated themselves.

In the article the author stipulates that "forced" vaccination only means that in order to work at a hospital or fly on a plane you have to show proof of vaccination, thus her use of that word is very different from the common meaning of the word. Flying on a plane isn't a right, it's a privilege, thus everyone in her theoretical situation is free to be unvaccinated. No "force" required.

She mentioned schools and hospitals. I assumed that included children.
Going on a plane is a 'privilege'? That's an odd way to look at it. Does that mean all modes of transport are a 'privilege'? What about buses and trains? I would have thought they were a right for anyone living in and being a part of society.
It has nothing to do with the logic of the original premise though.

humans have a right to the physical products of the labor of other humans?

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 12:46 pm humans have a right to the physical products of the labor of other humans?

-Imp

Did they have a right to the formula for Reardon metal*?


*Which had always existed hidden in infinite potentiality, until revealed to One (as a fictional representation of what happens in reality, of course).

One for all and all for one
Say those with none.

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Oct 15, 2025 10:12 pm

That's exactly the conservative view.
If it's also personal, you're quite the conservative.
Maybe even, far right.

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Walker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 3:24 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Oct 15, 2025 10:12 pm

That's exactly the conservative view.
If it's also personal, you're quite the conservative.
Maybe even, far right.

Far out.

i'm not any thicko American version of so-called 'wings'. I'm just stating facts using logic and reason. That's not politics you retarded yank.
The difference is that the 'conservative' stance has nothing to do with logic and facts. They are anti-vax for bat-shit insane conspiracy reasons.
i'm not anti vaccine at all.
Btw, it's always traditically been 'lefty' hippy types who didn't believe in vaccination. Why is the covid one so different? Are you against the polio vaccine? Small pox?

LuckyR wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 6:37 am In the article the author stipulates that "forced" vaccination only means that in order to work at a hospital or fly on a plane you have to show proof of vaccination, thus her use of that word is very different from the common meaning of the word. Flying on a plane isn't a right, it's a privilege, thus everyone in her theoretical situation is free to be unvaccinated. No "force" required.

Yes. You can't travel. You can't cross the border. You can't go to a restaurant, a movie theatre, or a church. You can't join a club. You can't see your elderly loved ones, or any younger ones outside your "bubble". You can't go to school. You can't take a job, or keep the one you have. You can't see your neighbours. You're not allowed to go the grocery store...etc.

But no "force" is being used, they say. And your rights are not being violated, they say. We're merely shutting you out of every important social and essential function until you knuckle under and play by our rules, they say...

No force? It's what's called "soft force," or "exclusion." And it works, too.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 12:46 pm humans have a right to the physical products of the labor of other humans?

-Imp

i'm not any thicko American version of so-called 'wings'. I'm just stating facts using logic and reason. That's not politics you retarded yank.
The difference is that the 'conservative' stance has nothing to do with logic and facts. They are anti-vax for bat-shit insane conspiracy reasons.
i'm not anti vaccine at all.
Btw, it's always traditically been 'lefty' hippy types who didn't believe in vaccination. Why is the covid one so different? Are you against the polio vaccine? Small pox?

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 7:09 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 3:24 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Oct 15, 2025 10:12 pm

That's exactly the conservative view.
If it's also personal, you're quite the conservative.
Maybe even, far right.

Far out.

i'm not any thicko American version of so-called 'wings'. I'm just stating facts using logic and reason. That's not politics you retarded yank.
The difference is that the 'conservative' stance has nothing to do with logic and facts. They are anti-vax for bat-shit insane conspiracy reasons.
i'm not anti vaccine at all.
Btw, it's always traditically been 'lefty' hippy types who didn't believe in vaccination. Why is the covid one so different? Are you against the polio vaccine? Small pox?

What version of thicko are you?

The conservative view is: no forced vaccination.
The conservative, right-wing view is: logic and reason.

Voluntary is fine.

So you're a conservative and you didn't even know it.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 12:46 pm humans have a right to the physical products of the labor of other humans?

-Imp

Yes they do. Humans have a right to be able to get around. If you are a member of the human race then you have a right to use HUMAN inventions and breakthroughs that are supposed to benefit all humans. Very often the inventors themselves made little or no money out of their inventions and discoveries. They did it to help and advance humankind. By your crass American money-centric 'logic' only the rich should have access to medical breakthroughs simply because some entrepeneurial **** has decided he wants to make a lot of money out of it.
AI could make life incredible beyond our wildest dreams for ALL humans (if it doesn't kill us all) but thanks to ultra-capitalist American bullshit it will only make a handful of sociopathic silicon valley nerds rich and powerful beyond their wildest dreams. So kindly shove your misguided and misinterpreted 'freedom' bullshit up your collective arse. 'Freedom' is NOT a synonym for 'living in a tent on a busy city street', or 'dying of cancer because you can't afford the cure'.

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 7:55 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 7:09 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 3:24 pm
That's exactly the conservative view.
If it's also personal, you're quite the conservative.
Maybe even, far right.

Far out.

i'm not any thicko American version of so-called 'wings'. I'm just stating facts using logic and reason. That's not politics you retarded yank.
The difference is that the 'conservative' stance has nothing to do with logic and facts. They are anti-vax for bat-shit insane conspiracy reasons.
i'm not anti vaccine at all.
Btw, it's always traditically been 'lefty' hippy types who didn't believe in vaccination. Why is the covid one so different? Are you against the polio vaccine? Small pox?

What version of thicko are you?

The conservative view is: no forced vaccination.
The conservative, right-wing view is: logic and reason.

Voluntary is fine.

So you're a conservative and you didn't even know it.

I don't give a flying rat's arse what the 'conservative' view is. If it happens to align with logic and reason on one thing then that doesn't make me a 'conservative'. What do you expect me to do? Disagree with something that makes logical sense just for the sake of not agreeing with something 'conservatives' have allegedly said? If I say that men aren't women then by American 'logic' that makes me a 'far right conservative'. No. It just makes me sane. You...are...all....insane.
As far as I can tell, American 'conservatives' are all bat-shit conspiracy nuts. Their reasoning doesn't resemble mine in any way. They think covid is a 'hoax'. They are rabidly anti-vax no matter what. I am not anti-vax at all.