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The Incoherency That People Want Unity

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:38 am
by Eodnhoj7
A nature of the human condition is one of measurement. A man, or woman, seperates 'this' from 'that' and in doing so creates a hierarchy by which value is assigned and with it corresponding purpose.

This value oriented hierarchy elevates purpose to a notion of truth by which an orientation of the human condition towards a specific experiential mindset occurs.

By purpose the human constitution is transformed, by necessity as form of realization, and yet purpose requires the very same hierarchy that individuals try to transcend thus inevitably locking people within a self-consuming loop.

For some the realization of nihilism emerges and yet the desire driven purpose of pleasure results in a meta-purpose.

For other's the realization of transcendence emerges and yet the occurence of tragedy is required so as to "rise above".

What is constant is division in accords to a state of being driven by the experience of some form of irrationality, an inherent culturally accepted form of madness by which an all consuming force of measuring occurs so as to achieve some experience that effectively is "what?"

Precisely because comparison is necessitated by the experientially oriented, the "enlightened" and the "spiritual", by degree of "rising above" or "transcending" and the notions of "knowing and unknowing" or "enlightenment and illusion" the incoherence of the human condition is not the absence of unity but that it desires unity for the obvious expression of the human condition is that of seperation by degree of measurement.

Re: The Incoherency That People Want Unity

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:41 am
by Impenitent
Elmer wants unity...

-Imp

Re: The Incoherency That People Want Unity

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:54 am
by Eodnhoj7
Impenitent wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:41 am Elmer wants unity...

-Imp
"Want" is the only thing that unifies people and yet it is the very same thing that divides.

Re: The Incoherency That People Want Unity

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2025 2:02 am
by Age
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:38 am A nature of the human condition is one of measurement.
'This' is another incoherent statement.

What even is the, so-called, 'human condition', to you, exactly?

And, how is 'measurement', itself, a 'nature' of a 'condition', exactly?

'Measurement', itself, is some thing you human beings do. 'Measurement' is not a so-called 'nature' of something else. And, there is not 'a nature' of 'a condition' of something like 'a human'.

Unless, of course, you can show and prove otherwise?

Can you show and prove otherwise?

if yes, then will you show and prove otherwise?

If no, then why not? And, if you do not, then you are showing and proving, once again, that you are picking and choosing words that you can not actually stand behind.

Look, very simply the 'nature' of 'being a human being', or, in other words, what separates you human beings from all of the other, known to you, animals is that you human beings have the ability to learn, understand, and reason any and every thing.

No other known species has 'this ability', this 'human nature', nor this 'human condition'. Full stop.

But, as always, if any one would like to have a Truly open and honest peaceful discussion, about 'this', then let 'us' begin.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:38 am A man, or woman, seperates 'this' from 'that' and in doing so creates a hierarchy by which value is assigned and with it corresponding purpose.
Again, you speak and write in Truly nonsensical ways.

What is even 'this' and 'that' referring to, exactly, what do, only, 'you' so-called "men" and "women" separate, exactly?

Will you provide examples?

If no, then why not?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:38 am This value oriented hierarchy elevates purpose to a notion of truth by which an orientation of the human condition towards a specific experiential mindset occurs.
Again, nonsensical. And, if you will not provide examples, then absolutely no one else, besides you, will have any clue nor idea as to what you are even talking about, meaning, and referring to, exactly.

And, if you, really, would like to believe that someone else understands you, here, then okay.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:38 am By purpose the human constitution is transformed, by necessity as form of realization, and yet purpose requires the very same hierarchy that individuals try to transcend thus inevitably locking people within a self-consuming loop.
Do you, really, believe that there is another human being who comprehends, and understands, what you just said and wrote, here?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:38 am For some the realization of nihilism emerges and yet the desire driven purpose of pleasure results in a meta-purpose.

For other's the realization of transcendence emerges and yet the occurence of tragedy is required so as to "rise above".

What is constant is division in accords to a state of being driven by the experience of some form of irrationality, an inherent culturally accepted form of madness by which an all consuming force of measuring occurs so as to achieve some experience that effectively is "what?"

Precisely because comparison is necessitated by the experientially oriented, the "enlightened" and the "spiritual", by degree of "rising above" or "transcending" and the notions of "knowing and unknowing" or "enlightenment and illusion" the incoherence of the human condition is not the absence of unity but that it desires unity for the obvious expression of the human condition is that of seperation by degree of measurement.
That 'you', "eodnhoj7", actually believe, absolutely, that people do not want 'unity', and that what they really do want is 'division', and the ensuring consequences of 'divisiveness', is what is Truly incoherent, here. Along, of course, with just about every thing that you just said and wrote, here, as well.

Re: The Incoherency That People Want Unity

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2025 2:05 am
by Age
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:54 am
Impenitent wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:41 am Elmer wants unity...

-Imp
"Want" is the only thing that unifies people and yet it is the very same thing that divides.
What?

'Need', and voluntary agreement and acceptance, is what actually unifies people. In fact it is these things how and where the actual Truth, and Rightness, of things, in Life, is found.

And, along with 'want', which can also unify. But, obviously, it all depends on the 'want', of course. Because, obviously, some 'wants' are what actually causes, division, conflict, friction, and wars, while other 'wants' bring together unity.

you really do have a very individual way of 'looking at' and 'seeing' things, here, in Life, "eodnhoj7".