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Given the failures in interpretation of non-dualism and dualism, is the most coherent observation of existence a mindset, means of interpretation, of just "occurence"?

As in the obvious "things just are"?

This is given that dualism and nondualism have incoherent logical bases by degree of there necessity of contradiction between eachother and themselvses?

If a wave only sees its form, with its beginning and end, it will be afraid of birth and death. But if the wave sees that it is water and identifies itself with the water, then it will be emancipated from birth and death. Each wave is born and is going to die, but the water is free from birth and death.

Fairy Liquid Mind

sound, water, potato chips or the Queen...

different waves

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Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 8:23 pm If a wave only sees its form, with its beginning and end, it will be afraid of birth and death. But if the wave sees that it is water and identifies itself with the water, then it will be emancipated from birth and death. Each wave is born and is going to die, but the water is free from birth and death.

Fairy Liquid Mind

Water is a distinction, as a distinction is a thing. Try again.

I am tired of you non-dualistics, you can claim enlightenment precisely because it is unprovable and speak words with little value or merit mean while wrestling within trying to find more words to justify why you are enlightened to others.

You speak and claim words have no value....and then continue speaking non-stop.

If that is the case then I am enlightened and have transcended non-dualism.

Non-dualism isn't a state to be reached, its an obstacle to rise above.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:30 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 8:23 pm If a wave only sees its form, with its beginning and end, it will be afraid of birth and death. But if the wave sees that it is water and identifies itself with the water, then it will be emancipated from birth and death. Each wave is born and is going to die, but the water is free from birth and death.

Fairy Liquid Mind

Water is a distinction, as a distinction is a thing. Try again.

I am tired of you non-dualistics, you can claim enlightenment precisely because it is unprovable and speak words with little value or merit mean while wrestling within trying to find more words to justify why you are enlightened to others.

You speak and claim words have no value....and then continue speaking non-stop.

If that is the case then I am enlightened and have transcended non-dualism.

Non-dualism isn't a state to be reached, its an obstacle to rise above.

Smell your own BS

It’s the only word/words you’ll ever understand.

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:36 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:30 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 8:23 pm If a wave only sees its form, with its beginning and end, it will be afraid of birth and death. But if the wave sees that it is water and identifies itself with the water, then it will be emancipated from birth and death. Each wave is born and is going to die, but the water is free from birth and death.

Fairy Liquid Mind

Water is a distinction, as a distinction is a thing. Try again.

I am tired of you non-dualistics, you can claim enlightenment precisely because it is unprovable and speak words with little value or merit mean while wrestling within trying to find more words to justify why you are enlightened to others.

You speak and claim words have no value....and then continue speaking non-stop.

If that is the case then I am enlightened and have transcended non-dualism.

Non-dualism isn't a state to be reached, its an obstacle to rise above.

Smell your own BS

It’s the only word/words you’ll ever understand.

Nonsense....I am following the logic of non-dualism.

The logic?

Negation.

So logically if one is to negate all things non-dualism has to be negated as well.

And I think you also fail to see that non-dualism results in trinitarianism as a trinity is non-dual.

What is the truth?

Occurrence....or in other terms:

"Things just are."

Quite obvious to the mind, intuition and senses for it is expressed quite intensely as experiential reality itself...and yet it is far too subtle to master or control.

So to wrap it up:

Non-dualism negates itself.

Nothing negates itself.

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 26, 2025 6:38 am Nothing negates itself.

The absence of absence is actuality and deeper absence. Nothingness is absence of actuality, hence an absence.

Non-dualism, as a process of negation, inevitably results in non-non-dualism.