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What's ironic is that if you just go back to the earliest Western and Eastern philosophers in written history and take their ideas as true, you will have the correct answer to the deepest philosophical, ontological, and spiritual questions.

Heraclitus
Anaxagoras
Lao Tzu
Mahavira
The Vedas/Vedanta


It is amazing that mankind knew ultimate reality from day one of recorded history! And yet today's philosophers are like lost children, arguing over materialist nonsense and simulation theory. Mankind figured all this shit out 2500 years ago but no one bothers to care.

What is ultimate reality?

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:20 am What is ultimate reality?

It can only be imagined since it can be questioned.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:22 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:20 am What is ultimate reality?

It can only be imagined since it can be questioned.

And what do you imagine the correct answer to be? As opposed to what it actually is?

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:25 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:22 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:20 am What is ultimate reality?

It can only be imagined since it can be questioned.

And what do you imagine the correct answer to be? As opposed to what it actually is?

The correct answer is always what feels true.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:27 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:25 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:22 am

It can only be imagined since it can be questioned.

And what do you imagine the correct answer to be? As opposed to what it actually is?

The correct answer is always what feels true.

You feel.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:28 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:27 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:25 am
And what do you imagine the correct answer to be? As opposed to what it actually is?

The correct answer is always what feels true.

You feel.

Yes. You know feeling. You are aware of all sensations via the senses.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:30 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:28 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:27 am

The correct answer is always what feels true.

You feel.

Yes. You know feeling. You are aware of all sensations via the senses.

That's not what you mean. You 'feel' that the correct answer is always what 'feels' true. What is it? Your true claim.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:55 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:30 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:28 am
You feel.

Yes. You know feeling. You are aware of all sensations via the senses.

That's not what you mean. You 'feel' that the correct answer is always what 'feels' true. What is it? Your true claim.

Yes, your true claim made by the sense there is a claimer, via the awareness of such.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:18 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:55 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:30 am

Yes. You know feeling. You are aware of all sensations via the senses.

That's not what you mean. You 'feel' that the correct answer is always what 'feels' true. What is it? Your true claim.

Yes, your true claim made by the sense there is a claimer, via the awareness of such.

I'm not making any.

so did the early bird-

but who wants a worm?

-Imp

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 12:10 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:18 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:55 am
That's not what you mean. You 'feel' that the correct answer is always what 'feels' true. What is it? Your true claim.

Yes, your true claim made by the sense there is a claimer, via the awareness of such.

I'm not making any.

Okay thanks for letting me know.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 12:21 pm so did the early bird-

but who wants a worm?

-Imp

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:08 am What's ironic is that if you just go back to the earliest Western and Eastern philosophers in written history and take their ideas as true, you will have the correct answer to the deepest philosophical, ontological, and spiritual questions.
Heraclitus
Anaxagoras
Lao Tzu
Mahavira
The Vedas/Vedanta
It is amazing that mankind knew ultimate reality from day one of recorded history! And yet today's philosophers are like lost children, arguing over materialist nonsense and simulation theory. Mankind figured all this shit out 2500 years ago but no one bothers to care.

IF you take their ideas as true is a big if. What these earliest records more properly show us is that we humans have been asking the same QUESTIONS for a long time.

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 2:05 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:08 am What's ironic is that if you just go back to the earliest Western and Eastern philosophers in written history and take their ideas as true, you will have the correct answer to the deepest philosophical, ontological, and spiritual questions.
Heraclitus
Anaxagoras
Lao Tzu
Mahavira
The Vedas/Vedanta
It is amazing that mankind knew ultimate reality from day one of recorded history! And yet today's philosophers are like lost children, arguing over materialist nonsense and simulation theory. Mankind figured all this shit out 2500 years ago but no one bothers to care.

IF you take their ideas as true is a big if. What these earliest records more properly show us is that we humans have been asking the same QUESTIONS for a long time.

Yes since time immemorial. Not even knowing you already are the answer.