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Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:31 pm Language and thought occur both by symbols. Symbols, by nature have meaning. Meaning is the attention on a phenomena that is in turn directed beyond itself by the phenomena. Symbols are means of transitioning consciousness by directing it and by direction a recontextualization of consciousness, the act of paying attention, occurs. This direction of consciousness is the transformation of it as the limits of the symbol are the distinctions by which consciousness occurs, thus when a symbol transitions consciousness to another symbol a transformation of consciousness begins for the attention on the symbol is the contextualizing of consciousness by giving it form. By paying attention to a symbol the consciousness gains definition within the inherent energy of attention thus the symbol is a metaphorical vehicle or house that contains the psyche. The symbol is a dimension of reality whose composing relations are determined by the attentive energy invested within it thus the fusion of consciousness with a symbol is the act of awareness by which distinction occurs where consciousness is the act of distinction itself by means of its self-reflective, self-referencing and self aware nature that justifies it as its own distinction.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 24, 2025 8:59 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:31 pm Language and thought occur both by symbols. Symbols, by nature have meaning. Meaning is the attention on a phenomena that is in turn directed beyond itself by the phenomena. Symbols are means of transitioning consciousness by directing it and by direction a recontextualization of consciousness, the act of paying attention, occurs. This direction of consciousness is the transformation of it as the limits of the symbol are the distinctions by which consciousness occurs, thus when a symbol transitions consciousness to another symbol a transformation of consciousness begins for the attention on the symbol is the contextualizing of consciousness by giving it form. By paying attention to a symbol the consciousness gains definition within the inherent energy of attention thus the symbol is a metaphorical vehicle or house that contains the psyche. The symbol is a dimension of reality whose composing relations are determined by the attentive energy invested within it thus the fusion of consciousness with a symbol is the act of awareness by which distinction occurs where consciousness is the act of distinction itself by means of its self-reflective, self-referencing and self aware nature that justifies it as its own distinction.

Thought does not occur only by symbols; symbols are created to communicate, and one can think without communicating one's thoughts. Symbols have meaning because, like everything else in the world, they are given meaning by a thoughtful subjective consciousness. All meaning is an emergent creation and the property of a conscious subject, and does not belong to the object. The essence of an organism is experience, experience is knowledge, and understanding is thought, all relative to the organism's existence/biology. Subject/organism and object/as the physical world, are mutually dependent; take one away and the other ceases to be. The apparent reality of an organism is a biological readout, a biological interpretation of the energy forms altering the state of its biology. These alterations of the organism's biology by the outer world are for the organism its experiences. An organism's mind is in part enclosed within its body; the other half of that psyche is the world at large, for subject and object stand or fall together, the physical world as object, the fuel of consciousness. Each organism, each consciousness, is in a sense the centre of its own universe, and the world is its manifestation. It does not experience the essence of the world as an object; it experiences what the physical world does to its biological nature, thus it experiences the change in its own biology, not the object itself. Differing organisms, differing biologizes experience differing apparent realities due to their differing biologizes. The changing of one's biology can change one's experience of apparent reality. Apparent reality is not ultimate reality; we never experience ultimate reality; our apparent reality is a relational emergent quality.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 26, 2025 6:18 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 24, 2025 8:59 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:31 pm Language and thought occur both by symbols. Symbols, by nature have meaning. Meaning is the attention on a phenomena that is in turn directed beyond itself by the phenomena. Symbols are means of transitioning consciousness by directing it and by direction a recontextualization of consciousness, the act of paying attention, occurs. This direction of consciousness is the transformation of it as the limits of the symbol are the distinctions by which consciousness occurs, thus when a symbol transitions consciousness to another symbol a transformation of consciousness begins for the attention on the symbol is the contextualizing of consciousness by giving it form. By paying attention to a symbol the consciousness gains definition within the inherent energy of attention thus the symbol is a metaphorical vehicle or house that contains the psyche. The symbol is a dimension of reality whose composing relations are determined by the attentive energy invested within it thus the fusion of consciousness with a symbol is the act of awareness by which distinction occurs where consciousness is the act of distinction itself by means of its self-reflective, self-referencing and self aware nature that justifies it as its own distinction.

Thought does not occur only by symbols; symbols are created to communicate, and one can think without communicating one's thoughts. Symbols have meaning because, like everything else in the world, they are given meaning by a thoughtful subjective consciousness. All meaning is an emergent creation and the property of a conscious subject, and does not belong to the object. The essence of an organism is experience, experience is knowledge, and understanding is thought, all relative to the organism's existence/biology. Subject/organism and object/as the physical world, are mutually dependent; take one away and the other ceases to be. The apparent reality of an organism is a biological readout, a biological interpretation of the energy forms altering the state of its biology. These alterations of the organism's biology by the outer world are for the organism its experiences. An organism's mind is in part enclosed within its body; the other half of that psyche is the world at large, for subject and object stand or fall together, the physical world as object, the fuel of consciousness. Each organism, each consciousness, is in a sense the centre of its own universe, and the world is its manifestation. It does not experience the essence of the world as an object; it experiences what the physical world does to its biological nature, thus it experiences the change in its own biology, not the object itself. Differing organisms, differing biologizes experience differing apparent realities due to their differing biologizes. The changing of one's biology can change one's experience of apparent reality. Apparent reality is not ultimate reality; we never experience ultimate reality; our apparent reality is a relational emergent quality.

Symbols are distinctions which mediate. A biological lifeform is a distinction that mediates to further biological life forms....symbolism is all distinctions, a lifeform is a distinction, a lifeform is also symbolic...lifeforms mediate, they have meaning.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 26, 2025 8:03 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 26, 2025 6:18 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 24, 2025 8:59 pm

Thought does not occur only by symbols; symbols are created to communicate, and one can think without communicating one's thoughts. Symbols have meaning because, like everything else in the world, they are given meaning by a thoughtful subjective consciousness. All meaning is an emergent creation and the property of a conscious subject, and does not belong to the object. The essence of an organism is experience, experience is knowledge, and understanding is thought, all relative to the organism's existence/biology. Subject/organism and object/as the physical world, are mutually dependent; take one away and the other ceases to be. The apparent reality of an organism is a biological readout, a biological interpretation of the energy forms altering the state of its biology. These alterations of the organism's biology by the outer world are for the organism its experiences. An organism's mind is in part enclosed within its body; the other half of that psyche is the world at large, for subject and object stand or fall together, the physical world as object, the fuel of consciousness. Each organism, each consciousness, is in a sense the centre of its own universe, and the world is its manifestation. It does not experience the essence of the world as an object; it experiences what the physical world does to its biological nature, thus it experiences the change in its own biology, not the object itself. Differing organisms, differing biologizes experience differing apparent realities due to their differing biologizes. The changing of one's biology can change one's experience of apparent reality. Apparent reality is not ultimate reality; we never experience ultimate reality; our apparent reality is a relational emergent quality.

Symbols are distinctions that mediate. A biological lifeform is a distinction that mediates to further biological life forms....symbolism is all distinctions, a lifeform is a distinction, a lifeform is also symbolic...lifeforms mediate, they have meaning.

There is nothing in the physical world that has meaning in and of itself but only in relation to a conscious subject. In the absence of a conscious subject, there is no world, for our apparent reality, our world, is a subjective manifestation of the union of subject and object. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things; it is the only source of meaning in this world. The world is meaningless in the absence of a conscious subject or biology. Meaning does not belong to the object until the conscious subject, through its sensing and its understanding, derives meaning from its changed biology and then bestows abstract meaning upon a meaningless world. We don't seem to be getting anywhere as far as mutual understanding goes; perhaps more input from others in this thread might help.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 26, 2025 8:03 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 26, 2025 6:18 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 24, 2025 8:59 pm

Thought does not occur only by symbols; symbols are created to communicate, and one can think without communicating one's thoughts. Symbols have meaning because, like everything else in the world, they are given meaning by a thoughtful subjective consciousness. All meaning is an emergent creation and the property of a conscious subject, and does not belong to the object. The essence of an organism is experience, experience is knowledge, and understanding is thought, all relative to the organism's existence/biology. Subject/organism and object/as the physical world, are mutually dependent; take one away and the other ceases to be. The apparent reality of an organism is a biological readout, a biological interpretation of the energy forms altering the state of its biology. These alterations of the organism's biology by the outer world are for the organism its experiences. An organism's mind is in part enclosed within its body; the other half of that psyche is the world at large, for subject and object stand or fall together, the physical world as object, the fuel of consciousness. Each organism, each consciousness, is in a sense the centre of its own universe, and the world is its manifestation. It does not experience the essence of the world as an object; it experiences what the physical world does to its biological nature, thus it experiences the change in its own biology, not the object itself. Differing organisms, differing biologizes experience differing apparent realities due to their differing biologizes. The changing of one's biology can change one's experience of apparent reality. Apparent reality is not ultimate reality; we never experience ultimate reality; our apparent reality is a relational emergent quality.

Symbols are distinctions which mediate. A biological lifeform is a distinction that mediates to further biological life forms....symbolism is all distinctions, a lifeform is a distinction, a lifeform is also symbolic...lifeforms mediate, they have meaning.

There is nothing in the physical world that has meaning in and of itself but only in relation to a conscious subject. In the absence of a conscious subject, there is no world, for our apparent reality, our world, is a subjective manifestation of the union of subject and object. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things; it is the only source of meaning in this world. The world is meaningless in the absence of a conscious subject or biology. Meaning does not belong to the object until the conscious subject, through its sensing and its understanding, derives meaning from its changed biology and then bestows abstract meaning upon a meaningless world.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:14 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 26, 2025 8:03 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 26, 2025 6:18 am

Symbols are distinctions which mediate. A biological lifeform is a distinction that mediates to further biological life forms....symbolism is all distinctions, a lifeform is a distinction, a lifeform is also symbolic...lifeforms mediate, they have meaning.

There is nothing in the physical world that has meaning in and of itself but only in relation to a conscious subject. In the absence of a conscious subject, there is no world, for our apparent reality, our world, is a subjective manifestation of the union of subject and object. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things; it is the only source of meaning in this world. The world is meaningless in the absence of a conscious subject or biology. Meaning does not belong to the object until the conscious subject, through its sensing and its understanding, derives meaning from its changed biology and then bestows abstract meaning upon a meaningless world.

Just as human life is dependent upon carbon so does the consciousness depend upon distinct things.... they are intertwined.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:32 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:14 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 26, 2025 8:03 am

There is nothing in the physical world that has meaning in and of itself but only in relation to a conscious subject. In the absence of a conscious subject, there is no world, for our apparent reality, our world, is a subjective manifestation of the union of subject and object. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things; it is the only source of meaning in this world. The world is meaningless in the absence of a conscious subject or biology. Meaning does not belong to the object until the conscious subject, through its sensing and its understanding, derives meaning from its changed biology and then bestows abstract meaning upon a meaningless world.

Just as human life is dependent upon carbon so does the consciousness depend upon distinct things.... they are intertwined.

Consciousness is dependent upon the physical world and its objects to sustain it; it is this that is the fuel of consciousness. Without which it would cease to be. In turn, if the conscious subject ceased to be, so too would the physical world cease to be, subjectively. Subject and object are mutually dependent; they stand or fall together.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:35 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:32 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:14 am

Just as human life is dependent upon carbon so does the consciousness depend upon distinct things.... they are intertwined.

Consciousness is dependent upon the physical world and its objects to sustain it; it is this that is the fuel of consciousness. Without which it would cease to be. In turn, if the conscious subject ceased to be, so too would the physical world cease to be, subjectively. Subject and object are mutually dependent; they stand or fall together.

Yes...but a deeper level of awareness can emerge from this.

Subject and object are both distinctions of consciousness and the means by which consciousness occurs. In these respects consciousness is the process of distinction by which it becomes itself by nature of making itself distinct.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 1:35 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:35 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:32 am

Consciousness is dependent upon the physical world and its objects to sustain it; it is this that is the fuel of consciousness. Without which it would cease to be. In turn, if the conscious subject ceased to be, so too would the physical world cease to be, subjectively. Subject and object are mutually dependent; they stand or fall together.

Yes...but a deeper level of awareness can emerge from this.

Subject and object are both distinctions of consciousness and the means by which consciousness occurs. In these respects consciousness is the process of distinction by which it becomes itself by nature of making itself distinct.

Are you trying to say that consciousness is an emergent quality? Emergent from the union of subject and object? Are you pointing out that the conscious subject is also an object in the physical world and so part of its own reality?