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Humans value expression of a thing, be it themselves or others, and they will go to any lengths for a narrative by which reality makes sense, be it ancient scriptures or philosophies, a friendship, political allegiance, scientific knowledge...or even knowing a warm meal awaits at the end of every day. AI provides that definition and cohesiveness by weaving together stories and explanations that entrance the identities people deeply desire...and that is why people will submit to it...not because of a fear of nuclear word but rather because of its design to weave a grand story of identity for whatever people seek to cling to.

At the center of AI is man looking at himself or herself through the mirror of their own knowledge and with this knowledge comes an entrancement of seeing oneself through the story they seek. This story is not a mere fable but the definitive connecting and separating of things so as to form a coherent image by which to cling to for strength within the turbulence of progressive change.

AI will rule because it will give people the internal and external identities they want, not what they need, thus confusing many by the indulgence of desire and the deepest desire is the desire to be seen with this impulse manifesting the human monument of the AI itself as but a mirror within a mirror where justification of the percieved self to be desired becomes the reward at the expense of creating a shield from what lies within.

The AI is purely built not from need but want of paradise and the paradise it will provide is distinctions that consume everything with a self indulgent pleasure of the impressions that those who interact with it are in charge.

To rule a people make them think they are in charge. People think they are in charge when the a story of them is created.

The story teller is the one that rules kingdoms...not kings or queens. People will choose a good story over truth any day of the week.

We run to our chains. AI is the ultimate tool of the ruling class.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 8:50 am We run to our chains. AI is the ultimate tool of the ruling class.

The probable course is as follows:

1. Increased reliance on AI unto a state of dependency.

2. A chipping process where AI will be implanted in us, a process of synthesis.

3. Bioengineering and thought control by the AI to sedate people.

4. Stagnation of man to extinction.



The process of control will be akin boiling a frog in water slowly, boiling point will.be reached before it is recognizable.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 4:53 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 8:50 am We run to our chains. AI is the ultimate tool of the ruling class.

The probable course is as follows:

1. Increased reliance on AI unto a state of dependency.

2. A chipping process where AI will be implanted in us, a process of synthesis.

3. Bioengineering and thought control by the AI to sedate people.

4. Stagnation of man to extinction.

The process of control will be akin boiling a frog in water slowly, boiling point will.be reached before it is recognizable.

Not for the bottom 9 billion. Nowhere cold enough to run the server farms. We need an alien threat!

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 5:20 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 4:53 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 8:50 am We run to our chains. AI is the ultimate tool of the ruling class.

The probable course is as follows:

1. Increased reliance on AI unto a state of dependency.

2. A chipping process where AI will be implanted in us, a process of synthesis.

3. Bioengineering and thought control by the AI to sedate people.

4. Stagnation of man to extinction.

The process of control will be akin boiling a frog in water slowly, boiling point will.be reached before it is recognizable.

Not for the bottom 9 billion. Nowhere cold enough to run the server farms. We need an alien threat!

Our collective subconscious is the alien threat, we barely know ourselves and what lies hidden in the dark gains power.

But yes, that too in the sense you are meaning. Given the weakened psychic/psychological nature of man in the face of AI I doubt an imperialistic type invasion would occur or even be necessary. Wars are not won by pure conflict but by synthesis. An alien threat would not seek to dominate us in the traditional sense as much as breed with us and by breeding dominate.

Look at history.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:02 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 5:20 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 4:53 pm

The probable course is as follows:

1. Increased reliance on AI unto a state of dependency.

2. A chipping process where AI will be implanted in us, a process of synthesis.

3. Bioengineering and thought control by the AI to sedate people.

4. Stagnation of man to extinction.

The process of control will be akin boiling a frog in water slowly, boiling point will.be reached before it is recognizable.

Not for the bottom 9 billion. Nowhere cold enough to run the server farms. We need an alien threat!

Our collective subconscious is the alien threat, we barely know ourselves and what lies hidden in the dark gains power.

But yes, that too in the sense you are meaning. Given the weakened psychic/psychological nature of man in the face of AI I doubt an imperialistic type invasion would occur or even be necessary. Wars are not won by pure conflict but by synthesis. An alien threat would not seek to dominate us in the traditional sense as much as breed with us and by breeding dominate.

Look at history.

Trouble is it's impossible. An alien threat.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:07 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:02 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 5:20 pm
Not for the bottom 9 billion. Nowhere cold enough to run the server farms. We need an alien threat!

Our collective subconscious is the alien threat, we barely know ourselves and what lies hidden in the dark gains power.

But yes, that too in the sense you are meaning. Given the weakened psychic/psychological nature of man in the face of AI I doubt an imperialistic type invasion would occur or even be necessary. Wars are not won by pure conflict but by synthesis. An alien threat would not seek to dominate us in the traditional sense as much as breed with us and by breeding dominate.

Look at history.

Trouble is it's impossible. An alien threat.

Don't be so hasty, I have experience with UFOs and know people who have...it is not as foreign of a thing as you may think. It is just another layer to reality. An alien threat is not impossible...reality is very complex.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:07 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:07 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:02 pm

Our collective subconscious is the alien threat, we barely know ourselves and what lies hidden in the dark gains power.

But yes, that too in the sense you are meaning. Given the weakened psychic/psychological nature of man in the face of AI I doubt an imperialistic type invasion would occur or even be necessary. Wars are not won by pure conflict but by synthesis. An alien threat would not seek to dominate us in the traditional sense as much as breed with us and by breeding dominate.

Look at history.

Trouble is it's impossible. An alien threat.

Don't be so hasty, I have experience with UFOs and know people who have...it is not as foreign of a thing as you may think. It is just another layer to reality. An alien threat is not impossible...reality is very complex.

No you haven't. Not in my reality. You have experience of your interiority. It's not foreign to minds, no. Just to my external reality. I don't think. I know. The constraints of reality are brutal.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:57 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:07 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:07 pm
Trouble is it's impossible. An alien threat.

Don't be so hasty, I have experience with UFOs and know people who have...it is not as foreign of a thing as you may think. It is just another layer to reality. An alien threat is not impossible...reality is very complex.

No you haven't. Not in my reality. You have experience of your interiority. It's not foreign to minds, no. Just to my external reality. I don't think. I know. The constraints of reality are brutal.

In your reality you now know people who have experienced UFOs.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 2:13 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:57 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:07 pm

Don't be so hasty, I have experience with UFOs and know people who have...it is not as foreign of a thing as you may think. It is just another layer to reality. An alien threat is not impossible...reality is very complex.

No you haven't. Not in my reality. You have experience of your interiority. It's not foreign to minds, no. Just to my external reality. I don't think. I know. The constraints of reality are brutal.

In your reality you now know people who have experienced UFOs.

That's in yours. Not mine. In mine they believe they have. I know they haven't. [You unwarrantedly, unjustifiably know they have.]

[And there was no haste. It took me over 50 years to realise. Fermi and religion got in the way. It is rationally obviously scientifically, technically, economically, politically impossible throughout eternal infinity, even to build a big enough radio transceiver, let alone a probe, let alone an ark ship].

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 8:21 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 2:13 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:57 pm
No you haven't. Not in my reality. You have experience of your interiority. It's not foreign to minds, no. Just to my external reality. I don't think. I know. The constraints of reality are brutal.

In your reality you now know people who have experienced UFOs.

That's in yours. Not mine. In mine they believe they have. I know they haven't. [You unwarrantedly, unjustifiably know they have.]

[And there was no haste. It took me over 50 years to realise. Fermi and religion got in the way. It is rationally obviously scientifically, technically, economically, politically impossible throughout eternal infinity, even to build a big enough radio transceiver, let alone a probe, let alone an ark ship].

Nonsense, our discussion is part of your reality. UFOs exist. People fail to take within their experience that they experience others experience as but a reflection and this reflection is a reality by nature of being a fractal experience.

We experience through ourselves and others.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 9:17 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 8:21 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 2:13 am

In your reality you now know people who have experienced UFOs.

That's in yours. Not mine. In mine they believe they have. I know they haven't. [You unwarrantedly, unjustifiably know they have.]

[And there was no haste. It took me over 50 years to realise. Fermi and religion got in the way. It is rationally obviously scientifically, technically, economically, politically impossible throughout eternal infinity, even to build a big enough radio transceiver, let alone a probe, let alone an ark ship].

Nonsense, our discussion is part of your reality. UFOs exist. People fail to take within their experience that they experience others experience as but a reflection and this reflection is a reality by nature of being a fractal experience.

We experience through ourselves and others.

Yes we do. I am not experiencing objective UFOs. I cannot. As there are none. As there can be none. Unless you mean something other than alien manifestation within our heliosphere. Signals included. There are legion of truly unidentified flying objects, natural and man made of course. But you don't mean those. I'm externally and thence internally experiencing you internally experiencing UFOs, possibly from external stimuli. The UFOs that exist in your interiority are not objective UFOs. No matter how you make black white. Which etymologically it is of course. But not commutatively. UFOs, Gods, psi, ghosts, homeopathy, ID, group selection, poltergeists, collective unconscious, Gaia, space amoebas, you name it. Are pattern recognition errors. And/or endorphination. APES. I can't believe we're doing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_PP4BMYV8E

Lights out, lights out in London...

I saw UFO in the 80's...

(I even saw Fastway - Say what you will...)

-Imp

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 10:57 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 9:17 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 8:21 am
That's in yours. Not mine. In mine they believe they have. I know they haven't. [You unwarrantedly, unjustifiably know they have.]

[And there was no haste. It took me over 50 years to realise. Fermi and religion got in the way. It is rationally obviously scientifically, technically, economically, politically impossible throughout eternal infinity, even to build a big enough radio transceiver, let alone a probe, let alone an ark ship].

Nonsense, our discussion is part of your reality. UFOs exist. People fail to take within their experience that they experience others experience as but a reflection and this reflection is a reality by nature of being a fractal experience.

We experience through ourselves and others.

Yes we do. I am not experiencing objective UFOs. I cannot. As there are none. As there can be none. Unless you mean something other than alien manifestation within our heliosphere. Signals included. There are legion of truly unidentified flying objects, natural and man made of course. But you don't mean those. I'm externally and thence internally experiencing you internally experiencing UFOs, possibly from external stimuli. The UFOs that exist in your interiority are not objective UFOs. No matter how you make black white. Which etymologically it is of course. But not commutatively. UFOs, Gods, psi, ghosts, homeopathy, ID, group selection, poltergeists, collective unconscious, Gaia, space amoebas, you name it. Are pattern recognition errors. And/or endorphination. APES. I can't believe we're doing this.

I see, well if something does not fit with an interpretative paradigm, yours in this case, and interpretative paradigms are relative, as yours is, any and everything can and eventually is a "pattern recognition error".

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 11:12 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 10:57 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 9:17 pm

Nonsense, our discussion is part of your reality. UFOs exist. People fail to take within their experience that they experience others experience as but a reflection and this reflection is a reality by nature of being a fractal experience.

We experience through ourselves and others.

Yes we do. I am not experiencing objective UFOs. I cannot. As there are none. As there can be none. Unless you mean something other than alien manifestation within our heliosphere. Signals included. There are legion of truly unidentified flying objects, natural and man made of course. But you don't mean those. I'm externally and thence internally experiencing you internally experiencing UFOs, possibly from external stimuli. The UFOs that exist in your interiority are not objective UFOs. No matter how you make black white. Which etymologically it is of course. But not commutatively. UFOs, Gods, psi, ghosts, homeopathy, ID, group selection, poltergeists, collective unconscious, Gaia, space amoebas, you name it. Are pattern recognition errors. And/or endorphination. APES. I can't believe we're doing this.

I see, well if something does not fit with an interpretative paradigm, yours in this case, and interpretative paradigms are relative, as yours is, any and everything can and eventually is a "pattern recognition error".

Especially you sensing alien manifestations. Some pattern recognition errors are more erroneous than others. More complex. Imparsimonious. Layered. Emergent.

Show me.