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Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:17 pm " When has our salvation ever left? "

Indeed.
It is strange that believers begin by saying that all souls are created equal and perfect, as befits an omni everything God, then turn about and say that most of those perfect souls will be on the wide road to hell, where God keeps his rejects.

This of course ignores that the Bible is clear in saying that it is God's will that none of us be lost to hi, but I guess believers do not think that God can do his will.

On sin as being the road to salvation.

"Sin: The Path to Excellence/Salvation"
Sin has long been associated with moral failure, but what if we reframe it? I see sin as something essential to human growth—a necessary part of striving for excellence.
At its core, sin simply means “missing the mark.” It’s not about wickedness but about falling short of an ideal. Christianity and even Gnostic traditions acknowledge this idea in different ways. The concept of felix culpa—the “happy fault”—suggests that sin is necessary for God’s plan. Whether or not one believes in the supernatural, the wisdom of this idea is clear: missing the mark is a natural part of aiming for something greater.
To evolve, both as individuals and as a species, we must take risks and inevitably fall short. This process—of setting goals, failing, and trying again—is what drives progress. Every moment of “sin” is evidence that we’re pushing ourselves beyond our comfort zones and striving toward our best possible selves. This is what we do, consciously or unconsciously, at every point in our lives.
Even competition, often seen as divisive, is tied to this idea. Competition highlights our shortcomings, creating a contrast between where we are and where we want to be. It creates leaders, innovators, and excellence by encouraging us to improve. Of course, competition produces losers, and those losses can feel like failures or even evoke the idea of "evil." But in truth, every loss is an opportunity—a moment to learn, adapt, and grow stronger.
This is why I celebrate sin—not as a call to moral failure but as an embrace of imperfection and growth. Without sin, without missing the mark, we would have no benchmarks for greatness. There would be no leaders to inspire us, no innovators to challenge us, and no progress to drive humanity forward.
I don’t believe in the supernatural, but I see wisdom in the way ancient scribes wove this idea into their teachings. Sin, in its truest sense, is not something to avoid but something to engage with thoughtfully. It is the evidence of our striving, our courage to try, and our commitment to evolve.
So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:17 pm " When has our salvation ever left? "

Indeed.
It is strange that believers begin by saying that all souls are created equal and perfect, as befits an omni everything God, then turn about and say that most of those perfect souls will be on the wide road to hell, where God keeps his rejects.

This of course ignores that the Bible is clear in saying that it is God's will that none of us be lost to hi, but I guess believers do not think that God can do his will.

On sin as being the road to salvation.

"Sin: The Path to Excellence/Salvation"
Sin has long been associated with moral failure, but what if we reframe it? I see sin as something essential to human growth—a necessary part of striving for excellence.
At its core, sin simply means “missing the mark.” It’s not about wickedness but about falling short of an ideal. Christianity and even Gnostic traditions acknowledge this idea in different ways. The concept of felix culpa—the “happy fault”—suggests that sin is necessary for God’s plan. Whether or not one believes in the supernatural, the wisdom of this idea is clear: missing the mark is a natural part of aiming for something greater.
To evolve, both as individuals and as a species, we must take risks and inevitably fall short. This process—of setting goals, failing, and trying again—is what drives progress. Every moment of “sin” is evidence that we’re pushing ourselves beyond our comfort zones and striving toward our best possible selves. This is what we do, consciously or unconsciously, at every point in our lives.
Even competition, often seen as divisive, is tied to this idea. Competition highlights our shortcomings, creating a contrast between where we are and where we want to be. It creates leaders, innovators, and excellence by encouraging us to improve. Of course, competition produces losers, and those losses can feel like failures or even evoke the idea of "evil." But in truth, every loss is an opportunity—a moment to learn, adapt, and grow stronger.
This is why I celebrate sin—not as a call to moral failure but as an embrace of imperfection and growth. Without sin, without missing the mark, we would have no benchmarks for greatness. There would be no leaders to inspire us, no innovators to challenge us, and no progress to drive humanity forward.
I don’t believe in the supernatural, but I see wisdom in the way ancient scribes wove this idea into their teachings. Sin, in its truest sense, is not something to avoid but something to engage with thoughtfully. It is the evidence of our striving, our courage to try, and our commitment to evolve.
So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:25 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:17 pm " When has our salvation ever left? "

Indeed.
It is strange that believers begin by saying that all souls are created equal and perfect, as befits an omni everything God, then turn about and say that most of those perfect souls will be on the wide road to hell, where God keeps his rejects.

This of course ignores that the Bible is clear in saying that it is God's will that none of us be lost to hi, but I guess believers do not think that God can do his will.

On sin as being the road to salvation.

"Sin: The Path to Excellence/Salvation"
Sin has long been associated with moral failure, but what if we reframe it? I see sin as something essential to human growth—a necessary part of striving for excellence.
At its core, sin simply means “missing the mark.” It’s not about wickedness but about falling short of an ideal. Christianity and even Gnostic traditions acknowledge this idea in different ways. The concept of felix culpa—the “happy fault”—suggests that sin is necessary for God’s plan. Whether or not one believes in the supernatural, the wisdom of this idea is clear: missing the mark is a natural part of aiming for something greater.
To evolve, both as individuals and as a species, we must take risks and inevitably fall short. This process—of setting goals, failing, and trying again—is what drives progress. Every moment of “sin” is evidence that we’re pushing ourselves beyond our comfort zones and striving toward our best possible selves. This is what we do, consciously or unconsciously, at every point in our lives.
Even competition, often seen as divisive, is tied to this idea. Competition highlights our shortcomings, creating a contrast between where we are and where we want to be. It creates leaders, innovators, and excellence by encouraging us to improve. Of course, competition produces losers, and those losses can feel like failures or even evoke the idea of "evil." But in truth, every loss is an opportunity—a moment to learn, adapt, and grow stronger.
This is why I celebrate sin—not as a call to moral failure but as an embrace of imperfection and growth. Without sin, without missing the mark, we would have no benchmarks for greatness. There would be no leaders to inspire us, no innovators to challenge us, and no progress to drive humanity forward.
I don’t believe in the supernatural, but I see wisdom in the way ancient scribes wove this idea into their teachings. Sin, in its truest sense, is not something to avoid but something to engage with thoughtfully. It is the evidence of our striving, our courage to try, and our commitment to evolve.
So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.

anyone ever tell you that you are just full of shit?

Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 1:09 pm
practice makes perfect and all that...

the thing about forgiveness is that you have to admit you have fallen short

-Imp

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:20 am As there are two esses, two eyes and an enn, there are four combinations of sin there.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 3:22 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:20 am As there are two esses, two eyes and an enn, there are four combinations of sin there.

Huh? Who is an ass? Are you trying to write English?

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 2:07 pm Sin of the Messianic

Many so-called “religions” are actually cults. Those that teach messianism
are cults. Why is that?

You shall not be a respecter of persons.

That is it; but not enough, let me put down the actual quotes:

Deuteronomy 1: 17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear
the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the
judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I
will hear it.

Deuteronomy 16: 17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear
the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the
judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I
will hear it.

2 Chronicles 19: 7 Wherefore now let the fear of the LORD be upon you; take
heed and do it: for there is no iniquity with the LORD our God, nor respect of
persons, nor taking of gifts.

Proverbs 24: 23 These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have
respect of persons in judgment.

Proverbs 28: 21 To have respect of persons is not good: for, for a piece of bread
that man will transgress.

Romans 2: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Ephesians 6: 9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing
threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of
persons with him.

Colossians 3: 25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he
hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

James 2: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced
of the law as transgressors.

Is there any rational in all of this? For one thing, admiration for a person, is
not the same as being led astray in judgment. Judgment, our judgment is the
critical idea here.

We are being made to maintain and promote life in our environment, which
means it is our job to learn judgment. Here we are, being made to be the savior
of life, itself, demanding that someone else do that job, and to do it for our
sake, how sick is that? The messianic demands gifts such as forgiveness and
salvation, and whatever their little hearts so desire. The messianic will not
work for what they demand. One of the most common form of messianism, is
the belief if what men call “their God.” They dump all responsibility for their
actions and salvation on “their God.” People anthropomorphize their imaginary
god on the fly, in order to justify their sick sociopathic behavior.

We were asked to learn judgment in order to do our own work, to tend the
Garden of Life. We are given the most powerful tool any life form can have for
the salvation of life, yet we more often than not, shun it. How much effort have
you ever put forward in your life to actually learn judgment, after all, is it not
written, that we will live under the hand of God until we learn how to do the job
we are being made to do? And, what the hell is this idea, that mankind believes
they can make up any stories they like about God, speak for God, act for God,
other than the idea of masking the face of a completely degenerate person? Is
not judgment the product of the perfection of grammar? Or are you the typical
idiot who say that judgment is achieved by gluing words together as if you were
five years old making a paper poster?

Look to yourself. What is God making in man? It is clearly written. Man will
tend the Garden of Life, and to do that job, mankind has to first learn
judgment, mankind must first learn to master words.

So, What is the only thing a mind can actually do? All it can do is process
information using binary recursion. Let your yea’s be yea’s and your nay’s be
nay’s, i.e. two simple concepts called noun and verb, assertion and denial,
particular and universal, relative and correlative, point and line, etc.

Every thing is defined as this binary construct, relatives and correlatives;
two simple parts of speech which mankind has not yet even mastered. Don’t
believe it? Look at the computer, everything it does, the immense power it
demonstrates, is done with two, and only two parts of speech.

Two parts of speech gives us four fundamental grammar systems, a
Grammar Matrix; Common Grammar, Arithmetic, Algebra and Geometry. As
intimated in the Bible, and said plainly by Plato, the only member of our
grammar matrix which can provide us with visual paradigms of all reasoning is
Geometry, that by which we mark with the hand can teach us all our grammar
systems, and can proof everything as well. Our Grammar Matrix, itself is put
into metaphors of the Bible. Yet, today, mankind is like a five year old in regard
to geometry, thinking that he can pull anything out of his ass and call it a
geometry, as if binary recursion is actually different from itself.

Is it not written, everything was created by the Word? So why do you spend
so much time with a little book which, being illiterate, you believe you can use
to justify being illiterate? Show God your grammar book, show God you have
ever had any real respect for the work He is making mankind to do. Show God
that this world is not now on the brink of complete environmental collapse. Get
your self flattering preaching ass out of my face and show God the work you
have done by actually knowing how to use words to do that work.

Our religion starts with literacy in order to do the work God is making us
for. Our religion is study until we grow a respectable amount of sense. It is
wholly impossible to praise another for your own actions, it is wholly
impossible to blame another for your own actions, lying is not praise, lying is
not blame; you produce all of your own behaviors. Every system of Grammar
has a function towards its applicability in learning and effecting predictive
behavior. We are made to predict the results, and correctly predict the results
of our own behavior. We are very far from having that ability; so quit wasting
your life and the lives of those around you with your insane bull-shit and learn
about words and how to use them to guide your own behavior first. No man is
made to serve another man, it does not matter how much you flatter that
person by calling them your savior. We are given the ability to learn and effect
judgment; judgment is just another synonym for prophecy. That ability to
predict the results of any behavior is the job we were given to do. If you are not
engaged in learning your Grammar Matrix, you have no real respect for your
maker at all. An animal respects an alpha animal. A man respects the work he
is given to learn and do.

A messianic claims to teach the Word of God, while being provably illiterate.

Relation to self is inadmissible, therefore, there is one, and only one
religion, learning how to do and doing the work God is making us for. Mankind
is being made to be a savior by comprehending and using the Word, from
which our grammar systems are derived, the Word created all, how much more
does one need than a Grammar Matrix, each member reflecting the Word?
Asking for another savior, when we already have a perfect one is simply insane.
Who, but a complete idiot, claims the ultimate power of the Word, yet takes no
care about their own illiteracy? There is no sense in that behavior at all.

A person claiming to be looking for the savior, is like a senile old man who
spends the whole day looking for his glasses that he is also wearing on his own
face.

Do you actually believe that God is making mankind to tend the Garden of
Life yet was so stupid as to not also give him the most powerful tool possible to
do that job? Man’s so called religions all belittle God, they do not show any
thanks for giving us a job, not one of them has ever learnt the Word, and used
the Word, as a pattern by which we have within us, a Grammar Matrix, to do
the job we are being made for; every one of them have the arrogance to ask you
to support them, not God. God made you to work, show God that you are doing
it.

Only the arrogant and insane, asks that God work for them. Send you a
messiah indeed! When has our salvation ever left?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:26 am

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 2:07 pm Sin of the Messianic

Many so-called “religions” are actually cults. Those that teach messianism
are cults. Why is that?

You shall not be a respecter of persons.

That is it; but not enough, let me put down the actual quotes:

Deuteronomy 1: 17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear
the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the
judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I
will hear it.

Deuteronomy 16: 17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear
the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the
judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I
will hear it.

2 Chronicles 19: 7 Wherefore now let the fear of the LORD be upon you; take
heed and do it: for there is no iniquity with the LORD our God, nor respect of
persons, nor taking of gifts.

Proverbs 24: 23 These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have
respect of persons in judgment.

Proverbs 28: 21 To have respect of persons is not good: for, for a piece of bread
that man will transgress.

Romans 2: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Ephesians 6: 9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing
threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of
persons with him.

Colossians 3: 25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he
hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

James 2: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced
of the law as transgressors.

Is there any rational in all of this? For one thing, admiration for a person, is
not the same as being led astray in judgment. Judgment, our judgment is the
critical idea here.

We are being made to maintain and promote life in our environment, which
means it is our job to learn judgment. Here we are, being made to be the savior
of life, itself, demanding that someone else do that job, and to do it for our
sake, how sick is that? The messianic demands gifts such as forgiveness and
salvation, and whatever their little hearts so desire. The messianic will not
work for what they demand. One of the most common form of messianism, is
the belief if what men call “their God.” They dump all responsibility for their
actions and salvation on “their God.” People anthropomorphize their imaginary
god on the fly, in order to justify their sick sociopathic behavior.

We were asked to learn judgment in order to do our own work, to tend the
Garden of Life. We are given the most powerful tool any life form can have for
the salvation of life, yet we more often than not, shun it. How much effort have
you ever put forward in your life to actually learn judgment, after all, is it not
written, that we will live under the hand of God until we learn how to do the job
we are being made to do? And, what the hell is this idea, that mankind believes
they can make up any stories they like about God, speak for God, act for God,
other than the idea of masking the face of a completely degenerate person? Is
not judgment the product of the perfection of grammar? Or are you the typical
idiot who say that judgment is achieved by gluing words together as if you were
five years old making a paper poster?

Look to yourself. What is God making in man? It is clearly written. Man will
tend the Garden of Life, and to do that job, mankind has to first learn
judgment, mankind must first learn to master words.

So, What is the only thing a mind can actually do? All it can do is process
information using binary recursion. Let your yea’s be yea’s and your nay’s be
nay’s, i.e. two simple concepts called noun and verb, assertion and denial,
particular and universal, relative and correlative, point and line, etc.

Every thing is defined as this binary construct, relatives and correlatives;
two simple parts of speech which mankind has not yet even mastered. Don’t
believe it? Look at the computer, everything it does, the immense power it
demonstrates, is done with two, and only two parts of speech.

Two parts of speech gives us four fundamental grammar systems, a
Grammar Matrix; Common Grammar, Arithmetic, Algebra and Geometry. As
intimated in the Bible, and said plainly by Plato, the only member of our
grammar matrix which can provide us with visual paradigms of all reasoning is
Geometry, that by which we mark with the hand can teach us all our grammar
systems, and can proof everything as well. Our Grammar Matrix, itself is put
into metaphors of the Bible. Yet, today, mankind is like a five year old in regard
to geometry, thinking that he can pull anything out of his ass and call it a
geometry, as if binary recursion is actually different from itself.

Is it not written, everything was created by the Word? So why do you spend
so much time with a little book which, being illiterate, you believe you can use
to justify being illiterate? Show God your grammar book, show God you have
ever had any real respect for the work He is making mankind to do. Show God
that this world is not now on the brink of complete environmental collapse. Get
your self flattering preaching ass out of my face and show God the work you
have done by actually knowing how to use words to do that work.

Our religion starts with literacy in order to do the work God is making us
for. Our religion is study until we grow a respectable amount of sense. It is
wholly impossible to praise another for your own actions, it is wholly
impossible to blame another for your own actions, lying is not praise, lying is
not blame; you produce all of your own behaviors. Every system of Grammar
has a function towards its applicability in learning and effecting predictive
behavior. We are made to predict the results, and correctly predict the results
of our own behavior. We are very far from having that ability; so quit wasting
your life and the lives of those around you with your insane bull-shit and learn
about words and how to use them to guide your own behavior first. No man is
made to serve another man, it does not matter how much you flatter that
person by calling them your savior. We are given the ability to learn and effect
judgment; judgment is just another synonym for prophecy. That ability to
predict the results of any behavior is the job we were given to do. If you are not
engaged in learning your Grammar Matrix, you have no real respect for your
maker at all. An animal respects an alpha animal. A man respects the work he
is given to learn and do.

A messianic claims to teach the Word of God, while being provably illiterate.

Relation to self is inadmissible, therefore, there is one, and only one
religion, learning how to do and doing the work God is making us for. Mankind
is being made to be a savior by comprehending and using the Word, from
which our grammar systems are derived, the Word created all, how much more
does one need than a Grammar Matrix, each member reflecting the Word?
Asking for another savior, when we already have a perfect one is simply insane.
Who, but a complete idiot, claims the ultimate power of the Word, yet takes no
care about their own illiteracy? There is no sense in that behavior at all.

A person claiming to be looking for the savior, is like a senile old man who
spends the whole day looking for his glasses that he is also wearing on his own
face.

Do you actually believe that God is making mankind to tend the Garden of
Life yet was so stupid as to not also give him the most powerful tool possible to
do that job? Man’s so called religions all belittle God, they do not show any
thanks for giving us a job, not one of them has ever learnt the Word, and used
the Word, as a pattern by which we have within us, a Grammar Matrix, to do
the job we are being made for; every one of them have the arrogance to ask you
to support them, not God. God made you to work, show God that you are doing
it.

Only the arrogant and insane, asks that God work for them. Send you a
messiah indeed! When has our salvation ever left?

There is also a cult of people who claim to think for themselves. Cults are an inevitable aspect of human existence.

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 2:07 pm Sin of the Messianic

Many so-called “religions” are actually cults. Those that teach messianism
are cults. Why is that?

You shall not be a respecter of persons.

That is it; but not enough, let me put down the actual quotes:

Deuteronomy 1: 17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear
the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the
judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I
will hear it.

Deuteronomy 16: 17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear
the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the
judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I
will hear it.

2 Chronicles 19: 7 Wherefore now let the fear of the LORD be upon you; take
heed and do it: for there is no iniquity with the LORD our God, nor respect of
persons, nor taking of gifts.

Proverbs 24: 23 These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have
respect of persons in judgment.

Proverbs 28: 21 To have respect of persons is not good: for, for a piece of bread
that man will transgress.