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godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:23 am Look, I don't believe in the fake divinity of a self-Fathered Son and his single mother. Read my lips. It's fake. It's a fabrication. Your self-Fathered Son did not create the universe. No human did. You are full of lies!

Well, then, let us start with you telling me all about what Islam states about CHRIST.

Concentrate on all the bits in your Quran or all the other crap made up- Hadiths etc.. that correlate with what was written in the New Testament about Christ. (*ya know, the stuff that would have been available to MorHamMad 666 years AFTER Christ - when he decided to fake a religion - Islame)

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:31 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:23 am Look, I don't believe in the fake divinity of a self-Fathered Son and his single mother. Read my lips. It's fake. It's a fabrication. Your self-Fathered Son did not create the universe. No human did. You are full of lies!

Well, then, let us start with you telling me all about what Islam states about CHRIST.

Does anybody else believe that a mere hominid created the universe?

This has absolutely nothing to do with Islam.

The Hindus don't believe it either.
The Buddhists don't believe it either.
The Jews don't believe it either.
The Muslims don't believe it either.
The Japanese (Shinto) don't believe it either.
The Chinese (Tao) don't believe it either.

Only retarded Christian peasants believe that a human created the universe. You've got to be dumb as fuck to believe that.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:46 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:31 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:23 am Look, I don't believe in the fake divinity of a self-Fathered Son and his single mother. Read my lips. It's fake. It's a fabrication. Your self-Fathered Son did not create the universe. No human did. You are full of lies!

Well, then, let us start with you telling me all about what Islam states about CHRIST.

Does anybody else believe that a mere hominid created the universe?

This has absolutely nothing to do with Islam.

WTF? MorHamMad based everything of his Quran upon Judaism..then twisted and manipulated it and accounts of Christ to suit his bullshit narrative..

What moron believes GOD spoke the universe into existence? YOU?

NO. A man floating in some weird dimension did not create the universe. GOD formed the universe and formed INTO a man, His most perfect creation, Christ.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:51 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:46 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:31 am
Well, then, let us start with you telling me all about what Islam states about CHRIST.

Does anybody else believe that a mere hominid created the universe?

This has absolutely nothing to do with Islam.

WTF? MorHamMad based everything of his Quran upon Judaism..then twisted and manipulated it and accounts of Christ to suit his bullshit narrative..

What moron believes GOD spoke the universe into existence? YOU?

NO. A man floating in some weird dimension did not create the universe. GOD formed the universe and formed INTO a man, His most perfect creation, Christ.

I do not believe that the self-Fathered Son (and his single mother) were a "perfect creation". No, it is only their fake divinity that was a perfect fabrication.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:57 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:51 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:46 am
Does anybody else believe that a mere hominid created the universe?

This has absolutely nothing to do with Islam.

WTF? MorHamMad based everything of his Quran upon Judaism..then twisted and manipulated it and accounts of Christ to suit his bullshit narrative..

What moron believes GOD spoke the universe into existence? YOU?

NO. A man floating in some weird dimension did not create the universe. GOD formed the universe and formed INTO a man, His most perfect creation, Christ.

I do not believe that the self-Fathered Son (and his single mother) were a "perfect creation". No, it is only their fake divinity that was a perfect fabrication.

Why are you finding this concept so difficult to comprehend as plausible, we've had this discussion before and you bailed out back then.

GOD is PAN to all reality. GOD, an intelligence formed as the universe. IT eventually formed humans and then interfaced itself into the womb of Mary.

As Jesus grew, He couldn't go around stating "hey everyone, I am GOD" - his plan to eventually go to crucifixion would have been interrupted much earlier. Stating He is the Son of GOD, not so much an issue, AND, still remained the Truth.

The GOD system intelligence formed its own self as a Son of wo/Man

Thus, GOD formed as Man in the virgin womb of Mary.

GOD --> the Father - the intelligence behind the construct to REALITY.
GOD --> the Son - formed into perfection of Christ (*GOD incarnate)
GOD --> the Holy Spirit --> the sub atomic construct that permeates all matter of REALITY.

Therein lies the HOLY TRINITY.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:26 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:57 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:51 am

WTF? MorHamMad based everything of his Quran upon Judaism..then twisted and manipulated it and accounts of Christ to suit his bullshit narrative..

What moron believes GOD spoke the universe into existence? YOU?

NO. A man floating in some weird dimension did not create the universe. GOD formed the universe and formed INTO a man, His most perfect creation, Christ.

I do not believe that the self-Fathered Son (and his single mother) were a "perfect creation". No, it is only their fake divinity that was a perfect fabrication.

Why are you finding this concept so difficult to comprehend as plausible, we've had this discussion before and you bailed out back then.

GOD is PAN to all reality. GOD, an intelligence formed as the universe. IT eventually formed humans and then interfaced itself into the womb of Mary.

As Jesus grew, He couldn't go around stating "hey everyone, I am GOD" - his plan to eventually go to crucifixion would have been interrupted much earlier. Stating He is the Son of GOD, not so much an issue, AND, still remained the Truth.

The GOD system intelligence formed its own self as a Son of wo/Man

Thus, GOD formed as Man in the virgin womb of Mary.

GOD --> the Father - the intelligence behind the construct to REALITY.
GOD --> the Son - formed into perfection of Christ (*GOD incarnate)
GOD --> the Holy Spirit --> the sub atomic construct that permeates all matter of REALITY.

Therein lies the HOLY TRINITY.

I do not believe that word salad. Furthermore, I don't care about any alleged self-Fathered Son. I also don't care about his single mother. They can "incarnate" whatever they want. I will never give a flying fart.

Shirley an intelligent god wouldn't manifest itself among human beings as a human being. Why not. Because human claims to divinity and revelatory wisdom and all that are highly fallible. Why and how. Count how many people throughout history have claimed to have supernatural powers or knowledge.

Now, an intelligent god would know this, and if he wanted to be known, to be believed, he wouldn't show up as a human. The matter is simply too important, too fragile, to be jeopardized by doing so. So yeah, no... if G exists, christianity is/says nothing essential about em. This religion will pass into history eventually.

Islam is a bit more rational in its perceptions of what a G would be like even though its coming out of aristotlean foundation like christianity. Al-Ghazali the arab Aquinas.

What islam lacks is al that morbid shit coming out of the gnostic neo-platonism interpretation of the material world being an imperfect fallen state and everybody is in grave danger yada yada. Naw, Islam is a happy celebratory religion, and the bad guy, Iblis, isn't half as deadly and dangerous as christianity's Satan. He doesn't rule a lower material realm called erf. He's just a jinn who has a problem with authority - he and G got into it over something, i dunno... it's not my business - and he has no dominion over the erf like Satan. Well, because the world isn't seen as shit like christianity and judaism see it. The ethos is entirely different.

In a wonderfully ironic way, the jihadists express that very joyful affirmation by having the nerve to think god is giving them license to do what they do. THAT is something a christian or a jew wouldn't ever do. Christians and jews are always too busy being punished for something or other while Allah is strapping up with his dawgs and fixin to roll on them n*ggaz.

There is no crying in islam. Everything is an occasion of G's will and therefore perfect in the Spinozean causal sense.

Buy i deny freewill so i don't have to contend with resolving the existence/problem of evil. I don't need an Iblis or a Satan to excuse something called 'evil' that has to exist so freewills can make a choice yada yada. That whole logical cluster fuck doesn't exist for me. I get right around it.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:50 am There is no crying in islam.

That statement is the only intelligent thing you stated there you clueless atheist.

Sage/Christ/GOD stated to me many many moons ago that CRYING is how we show our love...that is Christ in a nutshell, went to His death to insist we have LOVE & TRUST within each other as GOD's creation. When we feel love, we CAN cry..

Islame is all about HATE, it's rare to see actual tears drip from a Muzzle Em's eyes.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:36 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:26 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:57 am
I do not believe that the self-Fathered Son (and his single mother) were a "perfect creation". No, it is only their fake divinity that was a perfect fabrication.

Why are you finding this concept so difficult to comprehend as plausible, we've had this discussion before and you bailed out back then.

GOD is PAN to all reality. GOD, an intelligence formed as the universe. IT eventually formed humans and then interfaced itself into the womb of Mary.

As Jesus grew, He couldn't go around stating "hey everyone, I am GOD" - his plan to eventually go to crucifixion would have been interrupted much earlier. Stating He is the Son of GOD, not so much an issue, AND, still remained the Truth.

The GOD system intelligence formed its own self as a Son of wo/Man

Thus, GOD formed as Man in the virgin womb of Mary.

GOD --> the Father - the intelligence behind the construct to REALITY.
GOD --> the Son - formed into perfection of Christ (*GOD incarnate)
GOD --> the Holy Spirit --> the sub atomic construct that permeates all matter of REALITY.

Therein lies the HOLY TRINITY.

I do not believe that word salad. Furthermore, I don't care about any alleged self-Fathered Son. I also don't care about his single mother. They can "incarnate" whatever they want. I will never give a flying fart.

U know there is no "word salad" there, just rational plausible contemplation of this entity that constructs our REAL-IT-Y from beyond the Planck scale.

U don't have to give a "rats arse" about GOD that had your soul implanted within a Christian family upbring, to then turn your back on LOVE of Christ for I suppose merely what you prefer:
- "Allah's" permission to have sex with little girls as soon as they have menstruated.
- killing of fellow humans because they don't believe in MorHamMad's 666AD Quran of lies and distortion of Judaism and Christ.
- multiple wives
- turning of female partners of enemies into your personal sex slaves.

**Ya know, all the stuff an EVIL LIAR out for PROFIT (*no prophet) would desire

..well, HELL O indeed.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:58 am U know there is no "word salad" there

I will never, ever believe that a man can be a god. I am firmly committed to that position. There is simply no way to convince me otherwise.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:49 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:58 am U know there is no "word salad" there

I will never, ever believe that a man can be a god. I am firmly committed to that position. There is simply no way to convince me otherwise.

Well, let's go vice-versa on that. So you don't believe GOD can form itself into a man?

Once again 'we' have, here, another thread involving adult human beings fighting and quarreling with one another over their own made up misinterpretations of things.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:53 am Well, let's go vice-versa on that. So you don't believe GOD can form itself into a man?

That is obviously the worst idea ever. That is how you get the emperor of Japan claiming that he is God on earth! It is necessary to smash that door firmly shut. You see, it is not possible to prove anything about physical reality. Why would we believe it when a man says that he is God? He cannot prove it!

Furthermore, Christ never said that he was God. He is mentioned praying to God 13 times in the Gospels. Was he praying to himself?

If you believe that a man can be a god, you are simply unwilling to investigate the second-order consequences and understand what kind of nightmare they entail. If I told you that I am God, you would not believe me either. So, what is the difference? Seriously, no word salad on earth will ever convince me that a man can be God.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:49 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:53 am Well, let's go vice-versa on that. So you don't believe GOD can form itself into a man?

That is obviously the worst idea ever. That is how you get the emperor of Japan claiming that he is God on earth! It is necessary to smash that door firmly shut. You see, it is not possible to prove anything about physical reality. Why would we believe it when a man says that he is God? He cannot prove it!

Christ pretty much did. Performed countless miracles. Stated "to know GOD is through faith in me" - I know GOD rather too personally, I had faith since an epiphany as a child. I have witnessed countless "miracles" since 1997.

godelian wrote:Furthermore, Christ never said that he was God.

Not fully GOD itself -- but the prime human form of IT, if He was GOD fully, he'd be the universe.

Passage | Claim | Implied/Explicit
-------------|------------------------------------------|------------------------
John 10:30 | One with the Father | Explicit
John 8:58 | “I AM” — divine name | Explicit
John 14:9 | Seen me = seen the Father | Implicit
Mark 14:62 | Coming on clouds of heaven (Daniel 7) | Implicit/Explicit
John 1:1 | “The Word was God” (author’s affirmation) | Explicit
Mark 2:5–7 | Forgives sins | Implicit divinity
Matthew 14:33 | Accepts worship | Implicit divinity

godelian wrote:He is mentioned praying to God 13 times in the Gospels. Was he praying to himself?

Probably setting an example to those around him, that miracles can result through prayer. Remember, he was claiming to merely be the Son of GOD.

godelian wrote:If you believe that a man can be a god, you are simply unwilling to investigate the second-order consequences and understand what kind of nightmare they entail. If I told you that I am God, you would not believe me either.

Show evidence of it first.

List of Miracles Performed by Jesus Christ

Miracles of Healing:

• Healed a man with leprosy – Matthew 8:2–3
• Healed the centurion’s servant – Matthew 8:5–13
• Healed Peter’s mother-in-law of a fever – Matthew 8:14–15
• Healed many sick and demon-possessed – Matthew 8:16
• Healed a paralytic – Matthew 9:1–8
• Healed a woman with an issue of blood – Matthew 9:20–22
• Healed two blind men – Matthew 9:27–31
• Healed a mute man possessed by a demon – Matthew 9:32–33
• Healed a man with a withered hand – Matthew 12:10–13
• Healed a blind and mute demon-possessed man – Matthew 12:22
• Healed a Canaanite woman’s daughter – Matthew 15:21–28
• Healed a deaf and mute man – Mark 7:31–37
• Healed a blind man at Bethsaida – Mark 8:22–26
• Healed a man born blind – John 9:1–7
• Healed ten lepers – Luke 17:11–19
• Healed a servant’s severed ear – Luke 22:50–51

Miracles over Nature:

• Turned water into wine – John 2:1–11
• Calmed a storm – Matthew 8:23–27
• Walked on water – Matthew 14:25–33
• Fed 5,000 with five loaves and two fish – Matthew 14:13–21
• Fed 4,000 with seven loaves – Matthew 15:32–39
• Withered a fig tree – Matthew 21:18–22
• Coin from a fish’s mouth (for temple tax) – Matthew 17:24–27
• Great catch of fish – Luke 5:1–11
• Another great catch after resurrection – John 21:1–11

Exorcisms (Casting Out Demons):

• Cast out an unclean spirit – Mark 1:23–26
• Cast demons into a herd of pigs – Matthew 8:28–34
• Cast out a mute demon – Luke 11:14
• Cast out a demon from a Syrophoenician girl – Mark 7:24–30
• Cast out a demon from a boy – Matthew 17:14–18

Raising the Dead:

• Raised Jairus’s daughter – Matthew 9:18–26
• Raised a widow’s son at Nain – Luke 7:11–17
• Raised Lazarus after four days – John 11:1–44

Post-Resurrection Miracles:

• Resurrected Himself – John 10:18, Matthew 28:6
• Appeared to disciples despite locked doors – John 20:19
• Ascended into heaven – Luke 24:50–51, Acts 1:9

Total Recorded Miracles: 37+ (Some miracles appear in multiple Gospels)


..then go to your death, sacrifice yourself for your account and insistence people witness the level of your commitment to it.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:13 am Remember, he was claiming to merely be the Son of GOD.

He wasn't claiming even that. His followers did, centuries later. The Roman emperor was claiming that he was the "divi filius", the adoptive son of a god. The followers pointed out that the Roman emperor was an impostor because it was their leader who was the adoptive son of a god.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divi_filius

Divi filius is a Latin phrase meaning "son of a god", and was a title much used by the emperor Augustus, the grand-nephew and adopted son of Julius Caesar.

The title Divi Filius was also applied to some of Augustus' successors, notably Tiberius, Nero, and Domitian.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoptionism

Adoptionism, also called dynamic monarchianism,[1] is an early Christian nontrinitarian theological doctrine,[1] subsequently revived in various forms, which holds that Jesus was adopted as the Son of God at his baptism, his resurrection, or his ascension. How common adoptionist views were among early Christians is debated, but it appears to have been most popular in the first, second, and third centuries.

Christ was not the son of God for the same reason as Roman emperor Augustus was not. Why would be the one historical figure be the son of God and not the other one? All such claims are obviously complete bullshit.

There is nothing provable about physical reality. Therefore, no one can prove that he is the son of God. The ones making such claim just count on you to be stupid enough to believe it. That kind of claims is made solely with a view on bamboozling the illiterate peasants, because they are gullible enough to believe it.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:13 am [*]Resurrected Himself – John 10:18, Matthew 28:6

Christ never died at the cross. Of course, he came back three days later. Jeshu bar Abbas, "the heretical son of an unknown father" was released by the Roman governor. It is the other Jeshu who was crucified.