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It's hard to say, the vibes are so geometric, wouldn't you agree?

That's a great question. I think I'll click on the link you provided to no doubt read something informative about utilitarianism and not end up in some strange land on the internet.

HilmaBogan wrote: ↑Thu May 29, 2025 2:58 am Is there something I'm missing here?

You may have missed factoring in The Rise of the Machine.
You may have missed the well-being of the machine, as The Priority.

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What the AI Revolution Means for the Future of Energy
https://www.city-journal.org/article/ar ... ity-demand

“We are witnessing the end of the past decade’s monomaniacal obsession with wind and solar as the only options.”

Comment: The new measure for everything, the POV to protect at all costs, is Energy for AI … not energy for life … energy for the beast that tells us what is true.
- When it comes to Luddite-forced rationing, the new measure that is currently, rapidly evolving is not human life.
- The measure will be AI Life, because the reasoning to support this has been fact checked by AI, which shall be the new standard of proof.

There is only so much air conditioning to go around and on a hot summer day, when push comes to shove, AI and cannabis cultivation will be first in line for feeding the beast and for distracting the humans … under the rubric of rolling blackouts caused by, you guessed it, climate change (which is necessary to keep the political minions busy with controlling this and that, because everything can be connected to climate, and humans don't need to be thinking about blaming AI.)

The result is that ethics will be much easier to define when AI is the oracle, because AI will be the measure of all things in the triage of who gets what.

Oh I wouldn't Rush to Tunnel.

Maximizing the utility for a society, in practice, means maximizing it for a particular country.

What if I don't give a flying fart about any country in particular?

I choose to be in the country which happens to suit me the best for the time being. This choice never falls on a country that seeks to enlist me as a milk cow in order to maximize their collective utility at my expense.

Read my lips. Other people don't owe you anything. If you want something from someone else, you will have to exchange it for something else in return.

I can't stand people who want something for nothing. I utterly despise them.

godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:06 am Read my lips. Other people don't owe you anything. If you want something from someone else, you will have to exchange it for something else in return.

I can't stand people who want something for nothing. I utterly despise them.

The words of a perfect psychopath.

godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:06 am Maximizing the utility for a society, in practice, means maximizing it for a particular country.

What if I don't give a flying fart about any country in particular?

I choose to be in the country which happens to suit me the best for the time being. This choice never falls on a country that seeks to enlist me as a milk cow in order to maximize their collective utility at my expense.

Read my lips. Other people don't owe you anything. If you want something from someone else, you will have to exchange it for something else in return.

I can't stand people who want something for nothing. I utterly despise them.

Well, if it's any consolation, I'm sure they don't despise you. They're probably too busy doing everything in their power just to stay afloat in this world to despise anyone. They're probably thankful for any help they can get. But maybe that's just me.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:47 am

godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:06 am Maximizing the utility for a society, in practice, means maximizing it for a particular country.

What if I don't give a flying fart about any country in particular?

I choose to be in the country which happens to suit me the best for the time being. This choice never falls on a country that seeks to enlist me as a milk cow in order to maximize their collective utility at my expense.

Read my lips. Other people don't owe you anything. If you want something from someone else, you will have to exchange it for something else in return.

I can't stand people who want something for nothing. I utterly despise them.

Well, if it's any consolation, I'm sure they don't despise you. They're probably too busy doing everything in their power just to stay afloat in this world to despise anyone. They're probably thankful for any help they can get. But maybe that's just me.

We probably all end up occasionally helping someone who is in trouble, but we know them personally. That is a long shot from getting forced by the local ruling mafia to "contribute" to the one or the other social programme which, according their word salad, would locally "create a better world".

godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:27 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:47 am

godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:06 am Maximizing the utility for a society, in practice, means maximizing it for a particular country.

What if I don't give a flying fart about any country in particular?

I choose to be in the country which happens to suit me the best for the time being. This choice never falls on a country that seeks to enlist me as a milk cow in order to maximize their collective utility at my expense.

Read my lips. Other people don't owe you anything. If you want something from someone else, you will have to exchange it for something else in return.

I can't stand people who want something for nothing. I utterly despise them.

Well, if it's any consolation, I'm sure they don't despise you. They're probably too busy doing everything in their power just to stay afloat in this world to despise anyone. They're probably thankful for any help they can get. But maybe that's just me.

We probably all end up occasionally helping someone who is in trouble, but we know them personally. That is a long shot from getting forced by the local ruling mafia to "contribute" to the one or the other social programme which, according their word salad, would locally "create a better world".

Maybe we should help strangers also? After all, we are all strangers to most people. Maybe some stranger will help you in return?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:49 pm

godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:27 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:47 am

Well, if it's any consolation, I'm sure they don't despise you. They're probably too busy doing everything in their power just to stay afloat in this world to despise anyone. They're probably thankful for any help they can get. But maybe that's just me.

We probably all end up occasionally helping someone who is in trouble, but we know them personally. That is a long shot from getting forced by the local ruling mafia to "contribute" to the one or the other social programme which, according their word salad, would locally "create a better world".

Maybe we should help strangers also? After all, we are all strangers to most people. Maybe some stranger will help you in return?

If I meet them personally, yes, possibly.

godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 1:05 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:49 pm

godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:27 pm
We probably all end up occasionally helping someone who is in trouble, but we know them personally. That is a long shot from getting forced by the local ruling mafia to "contribute" to the one or the other social programme which, according their word salad, would locally "create a better world".

Maybe we should help strangers also? After all, we are all strangers to most people. Maybe some stranger will help you in return?

If I meet them personally, yes, possibly.

Do you think it's possible for a person you have never met personally to do something that helps you?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 1:17 pm Do you think it's possible for a person you have never met personally to do something that helps you?

Hasn't happened as far as I know. Better not to count on it, I suppose.

godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 2:41 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 1:17 pm Do you think it's possible for a person you have never met personally to do something that helps you?

Hasn't happened as far as I know. Better not to count on it, I suppose.

Nothing that anyone you've never met has done has helped you in any way? I mean, I assume I wouldn't be alive today at all if it weren't for some people I've never met personally doing some things that made my life possible. That seems like a given. Is that not so with you?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 2:53 pm

godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 2:41 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 1:17 pm Do you think it's possible for a person you have never met personally to do something that helps you?

Hasn't happened as far as I know. Better not to count on it, I suppose.

Nothing that anyone you've never met has done has helped you in any way? I mean, I assume I wouldn't be alive today at all if it weren't for some people I've never met personally doing some things that made my life possible. That seems like a given. Is that not so with you?

Good that it works for you. I certainly do not believe in it, but I guess that everybody is different.

godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 2:55 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 2:53 pm

godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 2:41 pm
Hasn't happened as far as I know. Better not to count on it, I suppose.

Nothing that anyone you've never met has done has helped you in any way? I mean, I assume I wouldn't be alive today at all if it weren't for some people I've never met personally doing some things that made my life possible. That seems like a given. Is that not so with you?

Good that it works for you. I certainly do not believe in it, but I guess that everybody is different.

I would think we are all here and where we are through many acts by people we don't know personally, including you. Some of them good and some bad. And likewise, we all have effects on others around us whom we don't know personally. Do you not think that is true? For example, maybe I am where I am in life because a psychiatrist found me having a psychosis and gave me medicine to stop it. Had that not happened, I might be institutionalized, locked away in a psych ward for life. But, the psychiatrist prescribed the medicine based on the work and research done by many people whom I have never met nor know the names of.