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Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 1:37 pm**

Plato, wrote a dialog called Parmenides. To date no scholar has ever been able to figure it out. Some say writing it was an embarrassment to Platonic Philosophy. And, if a commentator tries to say something good about it, what they write is nonsense.
However, as stated in the dialog, if you cannot understand it, you can never comprehend and understand anything.
The dialog can be illustrated as Plato has recommended in Geometry.
One also has to know where in the dialogs Plato stated the gist of what it is based on. Plato stated the gist of Parmenides in the dialog Theaetetus, the passage which I call A Dream for a Dream.
So, I decided that since no one else has even attempted to illustrate it, because they cannot make sense of it, it has to be done. You need to be able to visualize the consequence of unparsed information, and realize, you cannot predicate anything of it, nothing at all.

Let me take a parallel case. Let us imagine Electricity flowing in a wire. Can you claim that the computer could be made just by the fact that electricity is running through a wire? What could you say that it paralleled any concept at all? The electricity is only one element, it is un parsed, it is not a thing. Thus, you cannot predicate anything from it. In order to form a grammar system, you have to do what your body automatically does. It parses the information. i.e. you take a piece of the electricity and apply limits to it, now you have off, on, off. You have electricity participating between limits, i.e. a container which contains only a part of an electric stream. You have make one thing, a relative between correlatives. A container and the contained, or again, Quality and Quantity, the two elements of a thing.
So you can draw it. You start with a line that is not parsed, and ignore the fact that your body automatically parses it. If you confuse your biological parsing with what is being represented, you will not be able to follow the dialog.
Information only becomes functional, when we can make some one thing from it. So, the dialog is about definition, and the principles of predication.
Even so, some people cannot comprehend the consequence of unparsed relative, for example, unquantified quality.
Plato did the demonstration in many other forms, for example, what if you only knew pleasure but had no memory or ability to parse it?
Without an understanding of the difference between an unparsed relative, and how we make it useful by parsing it, you really do not understand grammar.
And so, I have known for a long time I would have to do it, as it goes right over people's head, but it is also a long and tedious process.
Imagine a board, made of wood, without end. It has no purpose and is entirely useless. It only become something, when you parse it and make things from it.
All of meaning, in our life comes from the ability to parse relatives into things which are useful. This parsing, determines the principles of predication. So, part of the way I try to help people understand is A law which I derived from it, and should have been perfectly obvious, but to date, it only exists in my work.
What may be predicated of any thing, is wholly determined by the definition of that thing. Now, quality in of itself is not a thing. Quantity, in of itself is not a thing. A thing is defined as quantified quality, i.e. the participation of quality within a form, or container. A shape over some material is some one thing. Some try to comprehend it as Quantum Mechanics, but they still get it wrong. It is simply the quantifying, i.e. parsing, of relative differences.

although it can be explained step by step to almost anyone, the problem is, most people learn grammar by rote, the habit of sticking words together they cannot break. Would anything change if grammar was taught completely different from childhood. I think it would.

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 2:10 pm**

So, do the research, the most gifted individuals in history could not make sense of this dialog, even though, it lays out the foundation of grammar itself and is demonstrated by the computer which they bang on.
You can liken it to the geometry I have done. People look at it, and only see lines. They cannot follow the reasoning because it is hard for them. We have to assign the correct concepts each step of the way for information processing, or we simply speak by rote.
Nature appears to parse things at random. However, grammar systems, each of them, are designed to take advantage over a particular method of parsing, a particular standard of applying limits. If you do not understand, that these methods of parsing are the standard foundation of that grammar, then you only know the grammar by rote, not by science.
We parse information, we slice and dice relatives in order to make a functional product to be used for our advantage.
So, yes, as Plato stated, Geometry is the only system of grammar whereby all of reasoning can be perceptibly demonstrated and proven.
And, as stated in the metaphors of the Bible, it can teach you the whole of reasoning by your own hand. Your ability to change the world for the better, is demonstrated by your own hand. A very humbling idea, when you are too simple to follow your own hand.

Today, humanity has fallen into a trap. technology. They actually believe that they do not have to think, that someone else will do it for them. They do not even understand the metaphor, "If the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into a ditch." Mankind was given the most powerful life support system possible, only to end up actually believing that they do not have to learn it.

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 3:20 pm**

Today, you can see that ditch. You see it coming and it seems nobody can avoid it. The total collapse of our environment is said to be within the life times of many of those now living. You also know, the only reason it is coming, is man's inability to think, even though all are claiming that they can and are really wise. They have a paper signed and stamped to prove it.
So, look again. How many have solved the riddle of Parmenides, the very foundation of grammar? How many have demonstrated that you can visually represent all reasoning with our own hand in geometry? Can they really think as they claim they can?
Our only path is to learn how to think, learn and respect the power of judgment.
Or are they really like many on this forum who claim that they are the standard of right and wrong, and of judgment just like any other megalomaniac?

As Plato noted, as even claimed in the Bible, The principles of judgment are independent of both gods and men. They are exampled by the Universe itself, and if you cannot even read a book, you cannot read the Universe.

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 3:32 pm**

Even the people who run this forum have stated, they will not change this forum into a place to learn how to think. For them it is not profitable. That is the reasoning of a complete ego centric dumbass. And, if you agree with that, that is fine, you have chosen to go down with a self satisficed smirk on your face and gibberish on your tongue. I don't care, all the best to you.
I just tend to think, things can be better.

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 4:06 pm**

I seem to have been momentarily interrupted, getting permanently banned again.

Let me explain the metaphor.
Why a woman? In metaphor as used in the Bible, the author presents many examples by which to understand it, just like we do learning in real life.
So, go back to Genesis, A woman is the mother of all living. Now if you take the number seven and trace it out, you might come to realize that the reference is to our life support systems, We have seven of them. The one the author of the Bible is concerned with, you also learn in Genesis, Judgment, i.e. literacy. That is why it is said the Book is sealed so that mankind cannot actually read it until after a certain time in human history.

Each of our life support systems is the mother of our life. It has nothing to do with gender, but gender is a perfectly obvious example.

Until a mind has reached a cusp point in evolution, it does not understand grammar even though it uses words. It uses them by rote, not by science.

When it becomes used by science, mankind can know how to avoid the impending disaster facing the planet. And it will have to use harsh measures.
The Evolving comprehension of Grammar will require a concept never before realized by the more primitive side of man.

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 4:16 pm**

Now, if one understood Plato, we learn by pattern recognition, and he used it to write his dialogs. And pattern recognition is a test of intelligence, we might find something interesting. The Bible uses it, and uses it consistently over hundreds of years. That is not possible for any human. The same technique of metaphor, all saying the same thing, from the front of the Book to the End of Revelation. No human could do that. No human organization can do that.
With stammering lips and another tongue.
No human being could do that.

True IQ testing, done by professionals, is wholly based on pattern recognition. However, our testers do not use common grammar to test it. You cannot test for what you do not understand.

When you cannot see the pattern, it is the same as being blind. You cannot see it, therefore it does not exist.
So, I will show using geometry, the perceptible part of Parmenides which has not come down to us in history. The figures required are in the text itself.

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 4:30 pm**

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 3:32 pm I just tend to think, things can be better.

Sure, they can. There seem to be all kinds of forces in motion -- many of them senseless and unyielding -- and I wonder, what I/we are not seeing that might shift our perspective. Are we in a drunken dream... dealing with a lot of levels of drunkenness? Can't really make much sense within that. So, do we become our own version of a belligerent drunk, railing at the other drunks? If that were the case, think of how funny that would look from outside of that dream.

I don't know what this whole show is about. But it does appear that most people on this planet are trying to make things better. In one way or another. And that in itself is kind of beautiful... even if it's foolishly clunky and ineffective and inconsistent.

Maybe new paths/awareness appear when we stop obsessing over obstacles?

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 4:42 pm**

Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 4:30 pm
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 3:32 pm I just tend to think, things can be better.
Sure, they can. There seem to be all kinds of forces in motion -- many of them senseless and unyielding -- and I wonder, what I/we are not seeing that might shift our perspective. Are we in a drunken dream... dealing with a lot of levels of drunkenness? Can't really make much sense within that. So, do we become our own version of a belligerent drunk, railing at the other drunks? If that were the case, think of how funny that would look from outside of that dream. I don't know what this whole show is about. But it does appear that most people on this planet are trying to make things better. In one way or another. And that in itself is kind of beautiful... even if it's foolishly clunky and ineffective and inconsistent.

Maybe new paths/awareness appear when we stop obsessing over obstacles?

You seem to mistake my intentions. I am not interested in more whining about what you cannot do. I simply am stating there there has to be some, here now, who are capable of writing a grammar you will not even bother to try to learn. Whine to someone else. The material to try and learn already exists. There is no maybe about anything. Your inability to comprehend is genetically part of you and you alone. That you have to learn to live with.

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 5:02 pm**

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 4:42 pm You seem to mistake my intentions. I am not interested in more whining about what you cannot do. I simply am stating there there has to be some, here now, who are capable of writing a grammar you will not even bother to try to learn. Whine to someone else. The material to try and learn already exists. There is no maybe about anything. Your inability to comprehend is genetically part of you and you alone. That you have to learn to live with.

I'm trying to understand the way things are. You are the one whining about the way things are. It is your inability to comprehend, that you have to learn to live with. Cheers!

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 5:07 pm**

Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 5:02 pm
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 4:42 pm You seem to mistake my intentions. I am not interested in more whining about what you cannot do. I simply am stating there there has to be some, here now, who are capable of writing a grammar you will not even bother to try to learn. Whine to someone else. The material to try and learn already exists. There is no maybe about anything. Your inability to comprehend is genetically part of you and you alone. That you have to learn to live with.
I'm trying to understand the way things are. You are the one whining about the way things are. It is your inability to comprehend, that you have to learn to live with. Cheers!

There you go, another lying sociopath. I am presenting facts, how to learn.
We learn by learning how to process information. Not by telling other people to dumb down and have pity on their poor dumb ass. I have amply proven I have taken up my responsibility to help make it happen, you think your bitching is the answer. Oh, it is ya'lls fault, you have to make exceptions to my constant irritation!, po me. So loud mouth where is your work? No matter how much anybody does for you, you will always say it is not enough. You are a parasite.

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 6:57 pm**

So, coming back from my very rude interruption, consider this.
The Bible uses pattern recognition, it does not hide the fact, you can only read it, if you recognize the pattern, i.e. the principles of grammar it is based on. Common Grammar is the most difficult venue for pattern recognition, it is the most versatile social grammar. It is not possible to engage in First Contact Protocol with a species which cannot pass an I.Q. test of their ability to read.
So, that is what is meant, that when mankind reaches that point, the heavens will then be open to humanity. It does not mean some lame magic trick.
No species is sane that cannot even use grammar correctly. You cannot abide by your words, if you do not even know how to use them.

Stating this fact, is why I was banned twice by NASA's website. They would lose a great deal of their funding. And that is why, even years apart, the forum admins look for this particular fact to be barred from their site. They want you to believe that they control when first contact will happen. They cannot.
Prophets are not sent to introduce mankind to some mythical god, but to bring mankind into a sane social structure. Our introduction to other life in the Universe is not based on technology, it is based on intelligence and sanity. If you cannot take care of your own planet, no one is going to let us in the door to theirs. Simple common sense.
Looking for intelligent life in the Universe? an example of it has been available to mankind for a very long time. Yet mankind cannot even recognize what intelligence is. As written in the Book, it is a doctrine, the standard of information management over the Intelligence in the Universe.

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 8:11 pm**

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 5:07 pm No matter how much anybody does for you, you will always say it is not enough. You are a parasite.

Nice projection of yourself.

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2025 10:53 pm**

Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 8:11 pm
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 5:07 pm No matter how much anybody does for you, you will always say it is not enough. You are a parasite.

Nice projection of yourself.

It must be nice to be a perpetual 5 year old.

Posted: **Tue May 13, 2025 4:52 am**

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 10:53 pm
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 8:11 pm
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 5:07 pm No matter how much anybody does for you, you will always say it is not enough. You are a parasite.

Nice projection of yourself.
It must be nice to be a perpetual 5 year old.

It's very strange that you would say something so specific to me like 'No matter how much anybody does for you, you will always say it is not enough. You are a parasite.' Not only is it not true, it's ridiculous. Meanwhile, based on all of your whining in this topic, and blaming other people for the fact that you keep being banned from different locations, it appears that making projections might be how you roll. Good to know.

Posted: **Tue May 13, 2025 7:02 am**

Children never stop trying to balance their witless remarks against actual work. They do not know the difference between words demonstrated or words pulled out of their own ass. However, they do indicate the morbid condition of our educational systems. Idiots graduating fools. It must bother the hell out of them to imagine that a real mind has work to do.

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