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Through gritted teeth, the Guardian reports that the English football association, and the netball one too, have banned men from playing in women's games, and that cricket is due to do likewise today. That such an announcement has to even be made is a sign of the lunacy of our times, but just possibly, that this lunacy is coming to an end.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... in-england

I used to enjoy field hockey at school, an adapted version of it, of course, and sometimes, just for fun, we played against a boys' team. But that's the point, it was a bit of fun. No one was under any illusions that this was in any way fair. Having said that, we always gave them a good run.

And the pearl clutching and entitled male teeth-gnashing are off the charts. People are depressingly thick. The law hasn't even been changed. All that has happened is that it's been clarified because apparently most people don't know what a woman is any more and needed a five year court battle to remind them

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 7:46 am And the pearl clutching and entitled male teeth-gnashing are off the charts. People are depressingly thick. The law hasn't even been changed. All that has happened is that it's been clarified because apparently most people don't know what a woman is any more and needed a five year court battle to remind them

They're basically just cheats, robbing women and girls of opportunity. No one likes a cheat.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 8:00 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 7:46 am And the pearl clutching and entitled male teeth-gnashing are off the charts. People are depressingly thick. The law hasn't even been changed. All that has happened is that it's been clarified because apparently most people don't know what a woman is any more and needed a five year court battle to remind them

They're basically just cheats, robbing women and girls of opportunity. No one likes a cheat.

Of course, but it affects so many things. Calling men women has created a huge tangled mess for obvious reasons and one that I don't know if we are ever going to be able to untangle ourselves from. Humans just can't function under that kind of gaslighting bs. Even more insane is the case of a gynaecologist in France who was suspended for refusing to 'treat' a man. It's legalised sexual abuse. The AGP was trying to force the doctor to participate in his fetish. That's akin to rape. Then there's the UK nurse who has been put on forced leave without pay for calling a convicted paedophile who was in for a prostate check a man. When she refused to call him a woman he lunged at her and called her a n**ger, but SHE was the one who was reprimanded. She was told that she was 'unsafe' (meaning 'unsafe' to OTHER PEOPLE!). Luckily she has received free legal help and has at least had her pay reinstated. The world's lost its collective mind.

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 8:11 am

Maia wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 8:00 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 7:46 am And the pearl clutching and entitled male teeth-gnashing are off the charts. People are depressingly thick. The law hasn't even been changed. All that has happened is that it's been clarified because apparently most people don't know what a woman is any more and needed a five year court battle to remind them

They're basically just cheats, robbing women and girls of opportunity. No one likes a cheat.

Of course, but it affects so many things. Calling men women has created a huge tangled mess for obvious reasons and one that I don't know if we are ever going to be able to untangle ourselves from. Humans just can't function under that kind of gaslighting bs. Even more insane is the case of a gynaecologist in France who was suspended for refusing to 'treat' a man. It's legalised sexual abuse. The AGP was trying to force the doctor to participate in his fetish. That's akin to rape. Then there's the UK nurse who has been put on forced leave without pay for calling a convicted paedophile who was in for a prostate check a man. When she refused to call him a woman he lunged at her and called her a n**ger, but SHE was the one who was reprimanded. She was told that she was 'unsafe' (meaning 'unsafe' to OTHER PEOPLE!). Luckily she has received free legal help and has at least had her pay reinstated. The world's lost its collective mind.

This seems to be the issue that has made people wake up and think, wait a minute, this is a complete crock. It's no wonder that those who're pushing it are fighting so hard about it.

men should play on the women's curling team...

hair, or sweeping on ice, oh my...

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 4:03 pm men should play on the women's curling team...

hair, or sweeping on ice, oh my...

-Imp

They would probably win at that, too.

Men are superior sweepers but it doesn't get advertised for obvious reasons.

Walker wrote: ↑Sat May 03, 2025 12:45 am

Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 4:03 pm men should play on the women's curling team...

hair, or sweeping on ice, oh my...

-Imp

They would probably win at that, too.

Men are superior sweepers but it doesn't get advertised for obvious reasons.

Zamboni envy

-Imp

I'm a woman and I'm not reluctant to say that men are better at most of the obvious, practical things that involve physical strength and testosterone. But they still can't be women. A woman's life experience is nothing like a man's.

The aesthetic of sport (perfection of form) is not to be underrated, which is why women are far superior at beach volleyball, pole vault, gymnastics, figure skating, some track and field running events, etc.

Golf is the one sport where a woman pro is going to outscore 99.9% of all the men on earth, and that’s because of form. Form and timing. However, should Rory put on a dress and join the LPGA he would be queen of the world.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 8:00 am
No one likes a cheat.

In that case, how did Donald Trump get elected?

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 7:46 am And the pearl clutching and entitled male teeth-gnashing are off the charts.

Male?

You haven't been paying attention. The chief advocates for trans-women have been the Feminists, who hoped to swell their ranks and preen themselves as "tolerant" by embracing men in drag as "women."

Was it not Drew Barrymore who fell at the feet of Dylan Mulvaney on public television? It certainly was. And who was the chief opponent of William "Leah" Thomas in the media? Was it not the very conservative non-feminist Riley Gaines? It sure was. And that's typical of how the whole battle has gone: the more conservative the woman, the clearer her mind on what a woman really is, and the less likely she is to be fooled by the transers. The more "gender"- thinking the woman, the more impossible she finds the question, "what is a woman," and the less likely she is to stand against the transers.

It's the Feminists who are now "eating their own," accusing people like you of being TERFs (i.e. "trans-exclusionary, radical Feminists). That's not a term invented by men: that's your own crew who came up with that one. Your movement is now split against itself, and the transers are feasting on your confusion.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat May 03, 2025 4:32 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 7:46 am And the pearl clutching and entitled male teeth-gnashing are off the charts.

Male?

You haven't been paying attention. The chief advocates for trans-women have been the Feminists, who hoped to swell their ranks and preen themselves as "tolerant" by embracing men in drag as "women."

Was it not Drew Barrymore who fell at the feet of Dylan Mulvaney on public television? It certainly was. And who was the chief opponent of William "Leah" Thomas in the media? Was it not the very conservative non-feminist Riley Gaines? It sure was. And that's typical of how the whole battle has gone: the more conservative the woman, the clearer her mind on what a woman really is, and the less likely she is to be fooled by the transers. The more "gender"- thinking the woman, the more impossible she finds the question, "what is a woman," and the less likely she is to stand against the transers.

It's the Feminists who are now "eating their own," accusing people like you of being TERFs (i.e. "trans-exclusionary, radical Feminists). That's not a term invented by men: that's your own crew who came up with that one. Your movement is now split against itself, and the transers are feasting on your confusion.

Define 'feminist' then. You seem to think you are doing some kind of 'gotcha' with me. I couldn't give a shit what those thicko handmaidens say or do. There's no 'club'. I go with facts and science. Since when was that a definition of 'feminist'? I'm not a member of any 'movement' (unlike you). I think for myself. You keep throwing the same stupid 'argument' at me. What am I supposed to say? There are a lot of moronic, misogynistic men AND women out there. Nothing I can do about that. The women who took on the UK govt. recently and won numbered a total of THREE. Three ordinary women who happened to know what a woman is. Handmaidens can call themselves what they like. They are 'feminists' in the same way as 'transwomen' are women. I have nothing in common with those women except for the 'women' part. A person can't be both a wokie and a feminist.
Transwomen call themselves women. Does that make it true? According to you it does. I wouldn't know who first came up with the label 'TERF' but it spread quickly amongst online trannies. It's nonsensical. It backfired though, because it has become ironic in much the same way as 'woke' has. Turning the tables and exposing the irony of a stupid label can be a good antidote to it. 'Terf' is rather catchy. The ONLY thing I have in common with Riley Gaines is her stand on men in women's sports. How has that become a 'radical position'??
Another irony. The women who are genuine 'feminists' now are the ones who don't use that label for themselves. Does JK Rowling come across as a 'radical feminist' to you? Why should there be a label for woman who stand up for women? It's yet another word that has become obsolete and meaningless---'interestingly' at the same time as the word 'woman' has. Funny that

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accelafine wrote: ↑Sat May 03, 2025 5:10 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat May 03, 2025 4:32 pm
Male?

You haven't been paying attention. The chief advocates for trans-women have been the Feminists, who hoped to swell their ranks and preen themselves as "tolerant" by embracing men in drag as "women."

Was it not Drew Barrymore who fell at the feet of Dylan Mulvaney on public television? It certainly was. And who was the chief opponent of William "Leah" Thomas in the media? Was it not the very conservative non-feminist Riley Gaines? It sure was. And that's typical of how the whole battle has gone: the more conservative the woman, the clearer her mind on what a woman really is, and the less likely she is to be fooled by the transers. The more "gender"- thinking the woman, the more impossible she finds the question, "what is a woman," and the less likely she is to stand against the transers.

It's the Feminists who are now "eating their own," accusing people like you of being TERFs (i.e. "trans-exclusionary, radical Feminists). That's not a term invented by men: that's your own crew who came up with that one. Your movement is now split against itself, and the transers are feasting on your confusion.

Define 'feminist' then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism. That'll do.

Notice the emphasis on "gender" thinking. It's what's gotten Feminists into the pickle they're in today.

You seem to think you are doing some kind of 'gotcha' with me.

No, just correcting what is clearly a confusion on your part. It's your own "sisters" who are doing this. Most men think transers are loonies.

I go with facts and science.

Let's see. What is a 'woman'?

A person can't be both a wokie and a feminist.

You'll have to explain that to your "sisters." They don't seem to have gotten your memo.

Transwomen call themselves women. Does that make it true?

Heck, no. That's my point.

I'm not your enemy on this one. I'm on your side. I don't believe the trans-propaganda, anymore than you do.

Take a win when you're offered one.

I wouldn't know who came up with the label 'TERF'.

The Feminists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERF_(acronym)

Why should there be a label for woman who stand up for women?

Apparently, because there's no honour among thieves, and no loyalty among Leftists. The Left is now selling normal women for scrap, so they can advocate for "transers."