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Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:17 pm
by Phil8659
When studying the evolution of grammar, one runs into quite a lot of stuff like the following
What word tells who discovered America ?
The word “ Columbus ” tells who discovered America.
What word tells what Columbus did ?
The word “ discovered ” tells what Columbus did.
What word tells what Columbus discovered ?
The word “ America ” tells what Columbus discovered.
At first, I was want to flag it as anthropomorphic. Then, I realized that it is actually evolution! In the beginning Man, both men and women of old, told great stories, however, as time went on, words learnt to tell stories; words were evolving! And now all I have to say is, those damned words ought to thank their lucky stars for all we have done for them and they should quit pestering us about literacy!
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:36 pm
by Phil8659
Grammar is no more than standards used for parsing information and the recursive application of that parsing. So, it starts with one's ability to understand what a thing is, parse it into relative and correlative. If one cannot parse the general notion of a thing, they certainly cannot parse information to understand the distinction between the self and not self.
Plato exampled this in Alcibiades 1.
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:40 pm
by Pistolero
Word trace the races of man, back to their shared ancestry.
Words represent how particular peoples related to particular environments; how they related to their own existence.
Words, and how they are defined, exposes motive, and motive exposes the essence of men....of entire cultures, or entire ethnicities and races.
Words, like money, are human forms of intercourse.
words are how men groom one another, establishing and maintaining relationships.
Words seed minds, transferring ideas, as physical intercourse seeds ova, transferring DNA.
Words transport memories from mind to mind.
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:41 pm
by Phil8659
Pistolero wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:40 pm
Word trace the races of man, back to their shared ancestry.
Words represent how particular peoples related to particular environments; how they related to their own existence.
Words, and how they are defined, exposes motive, and motive exposes the essence of men....of entire cultures, or entire ethnicities and races.
Words, like money, are human forms of intercourse.
words are how men groom one another, establishing and maintaining relationships.
Words seed minds, transferring ideas, as physical intercourse seeds ova, transferring DNA.
Words transport memories from mind to mind.
I put it simply a long time ago.
Grammar is the currency by which human behavior is exchanged.
This is basically how the author of the Bible put it. Judgment is the currency by which mankind buys and sells his life.
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:45 pm
by Pistolero
Grammar is to memes what nucleotide sequences are to the genes.
The sequences, the choice of words and how they are defined, expresses the nature of the spirit....spirit being the synthesis of mind/body.
As there are genetic types there are memetic types.
As genes propagate, so do memes, through semiotics.
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:50 pm
by Pistolero
Language is, also, how parasitical ideologies take over a man's consciousness, determining his judgments and choices.....determining his fate.
Meme-parasites that can make men behave, think and act, in ways contrary to their original genetic motives.
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:50 pm
by Phil8659
Pistolero wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:45 pm
Grammar is to memes what nucleotide sequences are to the genes.
The sequences, the choice of words and how they are defined, expresses the nature of the spirit....spirit being the synthesis of mind/body.
As there are genetic types there are memetic types.
As genes propagate, so do memes, through semiotics.
I thought it would just be easier, and more correct, to simply state that Genetics is the study of the grammar expressed by genes. Genes are part of a grammar system.
It took over 40 hours to get the historical examples of sentence parsing onto the Archive. It eventually all got up, not exactly as I wanted it up, but it is there.
Now, I use part of what Plato taught and I demonstrated in geometry, show how it is done right. It is the comparison of scribbling by modern authors to Plato's geometric demonstrations.
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:58 pm
by Age
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:17 pm
When studying the evolution of grammar, one runs into quite a lot of stuff like the following
What word tells who discovered America ?
Surely someone of your age would know better, by now.
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:17 pm
The word “ Columbus ” tells who discovered America.
No one 'discovered' the parcel of land on earth that some call "america".
What you are asking, here, would be like asking, 'What word tells who discovered earth?'
Human beings are born on parcels of lands, on earth. No one 'discovered' parcels of land just like no one 'discovered' earth.
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:17 pm
What word tells what Columbus did ?
The word “ discovered ” tells what Columbus did.
What word tells what Columbus discovered ?
The word “ America ” tells what Columbus discovered.
Wrong.
Wrong. And,
Wrong.
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:17 pm
At first, I was want to flag it as anthropomorphic. Then, I realized that it is actually evolution! In the beginning Man, both men and women of old, told great stories, however, as time went on, words learnt to tell stories; words were evolving! And now all I have to say is, those damned words ought to thank their lucky stars for all we have done for them and they should quit pestering us about literacy!
There is obviously some more 'evolving' needed in regards to you learning how to use words properly, and Correctly.
But, each to their own, as some say.
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:58 pm
by Pistolero
It would be easier, but at a cost.
Genes preceded memes.
Genes use a four-code system of transferring memories, i.e., data, whereas memes use a binary system.
A reduction at a cost, to benefit from its advantage, which is focus, increasing clarity.
Simplification.
Human languages are founded on binaries.
They begin as oral expressions of states of mind, using the atmosphere as their medium (ear), advancing towards use of light (eye).
From prey to predator.
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:00 pm
by Phil8659
See what I mean by illiteracy, the fool, AGE, above did not understand a word of what was posted. But, he would make a nice barking dog, if someone could teach him how to bark an Xmas song, like they have done with other dogs, maybe he might one day pass for an entertainer.
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:01 pm
by Phil8659
Pistolero wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:58 pm
It would be easier, but at a cost.
Genes preceded memes.
Genes use a four-code system of transferring memories, i.e., data, whereas memes use a binary system.
A reduction at a cost, to benefit from its advantage, which is focus, increasing clarity.
Simplification.
Human languages are founded on binaries.
They begin as oral expressions of states of mind, using the atmosphere as their medium (ear), advancing towards use of light (eye).
From prey to predator.
You do not know your history as well as you think.
Who were which when life began, when there was neither?
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:02 pm
by Pistolero
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:00 pm
See what I mean by illiteracy, the fool above did not understand a word of what was posted. But, he would make a nice barking dog, if someone could teach him how to bark an Xmas song, like they have done with other dogs, maybe he might one day pass for an entertainer.
Why do you pay attention to swine?
He can never know what his mind prevents him from understanding.
These forums have no true philosophers, friend.
They come here for other reasons, and use philosophy as a pretext.
They can never udnerstand what language is....and they are trained on its use by those who wish to control them.
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:03 pm
by Pistolero
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:01 pm
Pistolero wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:58 pm
It would be easier, but at a cost.
Genes preceded memes.
Genes use a four-code system of transferring memories, i.e., data, whereas memes use a binary system.
A reduction at a cost, to benefit from its advantage, which is focus, increasing clarity.
Simplification.
Human languages are founded on binaries.
They begin as oral expressions of states of mind, using the atmosphere as their medium (ear), advancing towards use of light (eye).
From prey to predator.
You do not know your history as well as you think.
Who were which when life began, when there was neither?
No creator....the words was not first, if that is what you are alluding.
Language evolved from simple animal braying, a song bird's song....sound expressing states of mind.
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:05 pm
by Age
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:36 pm
Grammar is no more than standards used for parsing information and the recursive application of that parsing. So, it starts with one's ability to understand what a thing is, parse it into relative and correlative. If one cannot parse the general notion of a thing, they certainly cannot parse information to understand the distinction between the self and not self.
Plato exampled this in Alcibiades 1.
And yet here you are, still, not yet understanding that you human beings do not 'discover' lands. Especially more so on lands where human beings are already living.
you appear to have not that much True 'understanding' of what some words actually mean and are referring to, exactly, here.
Re: Evolution
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:06 pm
by Pistolero
This one is the forum's welcoming committee.
He attacks....hoping to glean your essence.
All bark, and no bite.