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I'm just creating this poll out of curiosity. I'm sure we all know, truth isn't decided by vote, but it's still interesting to know I find.

I'm sure I'll get flack for my poll options for a variety of reasons, but I've tried to account for the majority of views people here might have.

This might not be worth specifying, but please don't take the past tense nature of the questions to imply that that means evolution stopped. "Happened" is of course compatible with "and still happening".

evolution isn't finished yet

-Imp

I wonder who the genius is who clicked number two

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:52 pm evolution isn't finished yet

-Imp

Yeah, I made it clear that that's accounted for in my op. Read the last paragraph. Of course it isn't.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:07 am I'm sure we all know, truth isn't decided by vote, but it's still interesting to know I find.

These people, back then, could not even get this Correct. It is actually with and through consensus where the actual and irrefutable Truth is found, and known.

And, if absolutely any one would like to challenge and/or question me on this, then great.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:00 pm
These people, back then, could not even get this Correct. It is actually with and through consensus where the actual and irrefutable Truth is found, and known.

Consensus changes. A half millennium ago, consensus among even the most knowledgeable was that God created all species as they are. Consensus now among the most knowledgeable is that they evolved.

Did the actually and irrefutable truth change?

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:05 pm I wonder who the genius is who clicked number two

Me.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:25 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:00 pm
These people, back then, could not even get this Correct. It is actually with and through consensus where the actual and irrefutable Truth is found, and known.

Consensus changes. A half millennium ago, consensus among even the most knowledgeable was that God created all species as they are. Consensus now among the most knowledgeable is that they evolved.

I knew that 'before' any one would challenge and/or question 'me', they would instead just 'presume' what 'this one' just did, here.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:25 am Did the actually and irrefutable truth change?

No. The actual and irrefutable Truth can not change. And, what 'gives away' this obviousness is the Fact that the Truth is 'irrefutable'.

So, if some thing is 'refutable', then that Truth lasts for eternity.

As for 'consensus', itself, I still wait, patiently, for any challenges or questions.

See, the actual Truth of any thing, which is and has to be irrefutable, is 'decided', or 'comes-to-light', through and by 'consensus', itself.

OK, so Age can't comprehend the problem with his own statement about consensus, fantastic. I'll move on from that.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:52 am OK, so Age can't comprehend the problem with his own statement about consensus, fantastic. I'll move on from that.

Once again, what 'we' have, here, is another prime example of one who does not have the ability to just have A 'discussion'.

Which, again, is why these people, back then, took so, so very long to just catch up, HERE.

Now, 'this one' wants to claim that there is some so-called 'problem', with my own statement about consensus, but let 'us' see if 'this one' has the ability to inform 'the readers', here, of what this supposed 'problem' is, here.

And, if 'this one' ever does, then I already know what 'that, supposed, problem' is, but I have already over come 'that, perceived, problem', which is why I seek out and would love to be questioned and challenged, here.

I'm going to, write, with random, commas, and maybe, maybe, maybe one, person, in this forum, will have the patience, to make it, all the way, to the end of, one obnoxious, post of mine. Also, I'm going to, refuse to explain, any of my reasoning, and just expect, the, person I'm, talking with, to do all the work, and then, accuse them, of being unable, to, have a conversation, even though it's me, who is refusing, to elucidate my, stance. My name, is, Age, and I'm from the, future. Thank, you.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:06 am I'm going to, write, with random, commas, and maybe, maybe, maybe one, person, in this forum, will have the patience, to make it, all the way, to the end of, one obnoxious, post of mine. Also, I'm going to, refuse to explain, any of my reasoning, and just expect, the, person I'm, talking with, to do all the work, and then, accuse them, of being unable, to, have a conversation, even though it's me, who is refusing, to elucidate my, stance. My name, is, Age, and I'm from the, future. Thank, you.

'This one' does not appear to comprehend and understand that it takes two to have A 'discussion'.

Now, and once again, I am not in any hurry at all to explain what I know, and, once more, I write in a way to see and find out if absolutely any one is Truly curios and Truly interested, here. And, as absolutely no one, again, wants to challenge me, question me, nor just have A 'discussion' with me, then I will continue to wait, patiently.

I know what the actual and irrefutable Truth is, here. And, I do not care if no one else wants to know. Again, I will just wait for those who are interested and curios.

Now, once again, I have just shown and proved how 'this one' can not and/or will not back up and support its belief and claim, here. Again, when challenged and questioned, people like 'this one' run away and hide, as some call it.

Once more, it is actually with and through consensus where the actual and irrefutable Truth is found, and known.

And, if absolutely any one would like to challenge and/or question me on this, then great.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:06 am I'm going to, write, with random, commas, and maybe, maybe, maybe one, person, in this forum, will have the patience, to make it, all the way, to the end of, one obnoxious, post of mine. Also, I'm going to, refuse to explain, any of my reasoning, and just expect, the, person I'm, talking with, to do all the work, and then, accuse them, of being unable, to, have a conversation, even though it's me, who is refusing, to elucidate my, stance. My name, is, Age, and I'm from the, future. Thank, you.

I am not sure what could be contemplated as hard nor complex to read, here. But, each to their own, as some say.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:49 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:06 am I'm going to, write, with random, commas, and maybe, maybe, maybe one, person, in this forum, will have the patience, to make it, all the way, to the end of, one obnoxious, post of mine. Also, I'm going to, refuse to explain, any of my reasoning, and just expect, the, person I'm, talking with, to do all the work, and then, accuse them, of being unable, to, have a conversation, even though it's me, who is refusing, to elucidate my, stance. My name, is, Age, and I'm from the, future. Thank, you.

I am not sure what could be contemplated as hard nor complex to read, here. But, each to their own, as some say.

What's hard to understand is I gave a clear reason why 'truth is based on consensus' doesn't work, and instead of responding to the reasons I gave, you said a whole bunch of other bullshit.

If "actual and irrefutable Truth" is unchanging, as you say, but consensus IS changing, as you say, then equating "actual and irrefutable Truth" with whatever the consensus view is obviously doesn't work.

You see how my post has few paragraphs and gets right ot the point? You see how I explain what I think without making you beg me to explain what I think? Do that.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:51 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:49 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:06 am I'm going to, write, with random, commas, and maybe, maybe, maybe one, person, in this forum, will have the patience, to make it, all the way, to the end of, one obnoxious, post of mine. Also, I'm going to, refuse to explain, any of my reasoning, and just expect, the, person I'm, talking with, to do all the work, and then, accuse them, of being unable, to, have a conversation, even though it's me, who is refusing, to elucidate my, stance. My name, is, Age, and I'm from the, future. Thank, you.

I am not sure what could be contemplated as hard nor complex to read, here. But, each to their own, as some say.

What's hard to understand is I gave a clear reason why 'truth is based on consensus' doesn't work, and instead of responding to the reasons I gave, you said a whole bunch of other bullshit.

What I love to do is just watch you human beings believe your own make up assumptions, without ever once checking to see if your own beliefs and claims are actually True and Right.

What you gave was absolutely nothing like a clear reason as to why 'truth based on consensus' does not work at all.

What you have done is just say and claim that 'consensus changes'. What you never ever did was even ask me any thing about my claim, here.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:51 am If "actual and irrefutable Truth" is unchanging, as you say, but consensus IS changing, as you say,

I am not sure that I said 'consensus IS changing'. Did 'I' say this, or, did 'you' say this?

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:51 am then equating "actual and irrefutable Truth" with whatever the consensus view is obviously doesn't work.

Once again, you go on your own beliefs and assumptions, only, and so never ever get to find out what I am actually saying, and meaning, and thus you never get to obtain and gain clarity, nor understanding.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:51 am You see how my post has few paragraphs and gets right ot the point?

your beliefs are so funny to watch and observe, here.

you claim to be getting to 'the point' but missing 'the actual point' I have been meaning absolutely and utterly completely.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:51 am You see how I explain what I think without making you beg me to explain what I think? Do that.

But you still have failed, absolutely, here.

And, again, this is because you have absolutely no interest, nor curiosity, at all in even wanting to comprehend and understand what 'the other', 'I', am actually meaning, exactly.

And, that you, still, do not, even after all of this time, is, exactly, what 'I' wanted to point out and show, here.

The very reason why you human beings, in the days when this is being written, were so, so very slow to catch up is because you have lost all of your curiosity and interest in what others are actually saying, and meaning.

So, thank you "flannel jesus".