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Comparing good to better is nowhere near as compelling as comparing bad to worse. That is, ask it again with unhappiness to discontent.
But, you NEVER KNEW.
I presumed Hitler was very happy and contended when he managed to kill 6 million Jews.
Yes, so it HAS TO BE.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 3:31 amI presumed Hitler was very happy and contended when he managed to kill 6 million Jews.
So, it has to be happiness that lead to contentment grounded on equanimity and morality-proper FS.
God wrote: Many philosophical and spiritual traditions distinguish between happiness, which often depends on external factors, and contentment, which arises from within. Here are a few perspectives that align with this idea:
1. Stoicism (Ancient Greece & Rome)
Stoics, like Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius, believed that external events are beyond our control, and true peace comes from within. While external pleasures might bring temporary happiness, real contentment (or ataraxia, a state of inner tranquility) comes from mastering one’s desires and reactions.
2. Buddhism
Buddhism teaches that craving external pleasures leads to suffering (dukkha), while inner contentment (santutthi) arises from mindfulness, detachment, and acceptance of the present moment.
3. Hinduism (Bhagavad Gita & Vedanta)
The Bhagavad Gita differentiates between fleeting happiness from sensory pleasures and lasting contentment through self-realization. Vedanta philosophy suggests that true bliss (ānanda) comes from realizing the Self, independent of external conditions.
4. Existentialism
Philosophers like Jean-Paul Sartre and Viktor Frankl argue that external events don’t define meaning or fulfillment—one must create their own sense of purpose, leading to deep contentment rather than just fleeting happiness.
5. Positive Psychology
Modern psychology supports this distinction. Hedonic happiness (pleasure from external sources) is contrasted with eudaimonic well-being (a deeper sense of fulfillment from within, based on personal growth and purpose).
There is a nuance to happiness as arising from external factor.AI wrote:
Let's break down the concepts of happiness and contentment, as they are often intertwined but distinct in meaningful ways.
Happiness vs. Contentment
Definitions:
Happiness is generally seen as an emotional state characterized by feelings of joy, pleasure, or positive well-being. It can be fleeting and often influenced by external circumstances.
Contentment is a deeper, more stable state of satisfaction with what one has. It's a sense of inner peace and acceptance that is less likely to be swayed by external situations.
The Relationship:
Happiness can lead to contentment but is not a guarantee of it. For example, you might feel happy after receiving good news, like a promotion. However, that happiness might be short-lived if your overall life situation is still unsatisfactory, such as feeling unfulfilled in your career or personal life.
Conversely, one can feel content even in less-than-ideal circumstances. For instance, someone might be facing challenges but still find a sense of peace and acceptance in their current state, appreciating the simple joys of life, like spending time with loved ones or enjoying nature.
Examples:
Happiness Without Contentment: Imagine a person who celebrates a wonderful vacation (happiness) but returns to a job they dislike. The euphoria of the vacation fades, and they are left with dissatisfaction, indicating a lack of contentment.
Contentment Without Happiness: Consider someone who may not have a lot of material wealth but feels a deep sense of gratitude for their family, health, and relationships. They might not always feel elated (happiness) but still experience an overarching sense of peace (contentment).
Conclusion:
To summarize, while happiness can be a wonderful experience that brightens our days, it is often fleeting. Contentment, on the other hand, is like a steady foundation that supports our overall well-being, allowing us to feel at peace with where we are in life. Fostering a sense of contentment can lead to greater resilience and satisfaction in a world that often presents ups and downs.
Against the resistance to use AI by many here, the above is significant evidence AI can facilitate wider and deeper views in contrast to the shallow, narrow and dogmatic 'gnat' view.AI Wrote:
Yes, happiness from contentment highlights an essential truth: that happiness can arise from within, influenced by our mindset, acceptance, resilience, and alignment with our values.
By focusing on internal factors, we can nurture a more profound and enduring sense of happiness, one that is less dependent on external circumstances.
This understanding empowers us to cultivate our happiness and well-being, regardless of the external environment.
Interestingly, this is a cultural thing.
Of the three above, I'd say contentment is the best or at least more realistic for me. Happiness fades and depends upon externalities which are out of my control and mostly not available for me. Joy, I've heard people talk about joy in finding faith and stuff but I'm a basket case when it comes to religion. So contentment seems more down to earth and attainable.Happiness, joy, and contentment are closely related but have distinct nuances:
Happiness is a general, often fleeting emotional state of pleasure or satisfaction. It can be influenced by external circumstances, such as getting good news, achieving a goal, or having a pleasant experience. It tends to be temporary and can fluctuate based on life's ups and downs.
Joy is a deeper, more intense feeling of delight, often arising from within rather than external conditions. It can be linked to meaningful experiences, such as love, connection, or a sense of purpose. Joy is often spontaneous and transcendent, sometimes even present in difficult moments.
Contentment is a more stable, enduring state of inner peace and satisfaction. It doesn't require excitement or external rewards but is more about accepting and appreciating life as it is. Contentment is less about highs and lows and more about a steady, grounded sense of well-being.
Hitler could have felt happy, joyful and contented when he killed 6 million Jews and so did his ardent followers plus more so by many Muslims. All the above are ultimately fleeting.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 1:18 amOf the three above, I'd say contentment is the best or at least more realistic for me. Happiness fades and depends upon externalities which are out of my control and mostly not available for me. Joy, I've heard people talk about joy in finding faith and stuff but I'm a basket case when it comes to religion. So contentment seems more down to earth and attainable.Happiness, joy, and contentment are closely related but have distinct nuances:
Happiness is a general, often fleeting emotional state of pleasure or satisfaction. It can be influenced by external circumstances, such as getting good news, achieving a goal, or having a pleasant experience. It tends to be temporary and can fluctuate based on life's ups and downs.
Joy is a deeper, more intense feeling of delight, often arising from within rather than external conditions. It can be linked to meaningful experiences, such as love, connection, or a sense of purpose. Joy is often spontaneous and transcendent, sometimes even present in difficult moments.
Contentment is a more stable, enduring state of inner peace and satisfaction. It doesn't require excitement or external rewards but is more about accepting and appreciating life as it is. Contentment is less about highs and lows and more about a steady, grounded sense of well-being.
Who cares about Hitler? He was a monster and he's dead. Doesn't change my perspective on contentment. No idea what that has to do with anything.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:23 amHitler could have felt happy, joyful and contented when he killed 6 million Jews and so did his ardent followers plus more so by many Muslims. All the above are ultimately fleeting.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 1:18 amOf the three above, I'd say contentment is the best or at least more realistic for me. Happiness fades and depends upon externalities which are out of my control and mostly not available for me. Joy, I've heard people talk about joy in finding faith and stuff but I'm a basket case when it comes to religion. So contentment seems more down to earth and attainable.Happiness, joy, and contentment are closely related but have distinct nuances:
Happiness is a general, often fleeting emotional state of pleasure or satisfaction. It can be influenced by external circumstances, such as getting good news, achieving a goal, or having a pleasant experience. It tends to be temporary and can fluctuate based on life's ups and downs.
Joy is a deeper, more intense feeling of delight, often arising from within rather than external conditions. It can be linked to meaningful experiences, such as love, connection, or a sense of purpose. Joy is often spontaneous and transcendent, sometimes even present in difficult moments.
Contentment is a more stable, enduring state of inner peace and satisfaction. It doesn't require excitement or external rewards but is more about accepting and appreciating life as it is. Contentment is less about highs and lows and more about a steady, grounded sense of well-being.