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I wonder if Trump is thinking that these are the "end times" and that returning Jerusalem to the Jews and having the Jews rebuild their Temple is some kind of world historical destiny that must be fulfilled for the second coming of Jesus? Trumps seems to have ties to Christian nationalists.

And if it is/were the case that Biblical prophecies turn out to be accurate, then Is it possible that Trump is the "anti-Christ"? I mean, he has a big following in the US among evangelicals and Trump seems like the opposite of Christ. He's rich, he's intolerant of the poor and wretched.

Maybe stories are what propel human history. As they say art mimics life and life mimics art. Is it possible that we are seeing prophecies of the Bible played out for no other reason than Christians have taken the helm of the world's most powerful society? In effect a self-fulfilling prophecy?

And if Christians are wrong. And if Christ is not God, then will it even matter if that's the script people are adhering to and producing?

Thoughts?

So what happens if the Bible is not accurate, that Jesus was not God incarnate but just a human being? And what if there is no Heaven or Hell. And what if the habitability of the Earth is being destroyed by human civilization gone amuck? Ie. What happens if we are following a programming script that doesn't entirely match up with the real world? What are the ramifications of playing out a program that doesn't match reality?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:09 pm And if it is/were the case that Biblical prophecies turn out to be accurate, then Is it possible that Trump is the "anti-Christ"?

Who's that writin'? Don the Revelator. Wrote the book of the seven seals.

The ones who believe that sort of thing will mostly avoid actually saying they approve of Trump, even while committing massively to his policy platform. The odd thing really is that to some of them it makes no difference if Trump is the Beast, the false prophet, the Whore of Babylon or Gog the Demagogue himself, it's just a cast of characters in the book of R that brings about the end of the world they are looking forward to.

And some of those people are in positions of such influence (especially the wife beating, Deus Vult tattoed, "kill all muslims" shouting abject drunkard who runs the US DoD now) that it may not even matter that the Bible is a fairy tale, and the book of revelations is substandard pile of delusional drivel written by a mentally diseased horse. They might turn it into self-fulfilling prophecy just to own some libs.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:09 pm And if it is/were the case that Biblical prophecies turn out to be accurate, then Is it possible that Trump is the "anti-Christ"?

Thoughts?

Well, he certainly fits the bill (checks most of the requisite boxes).

According to AI Overview...

The Antichrist is a figure in Christian belief who is the opposite of Jesus Christ and is expected to bring wickedness to the world. The Antichrist is often described as a charismatic, attractive person who uses deceit to gain people's trust.

Speaking of "wickedness" and of "checking boxes," that reminds me of a conversation I had with the Wiz22 almost two years ago...

seeds wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 11:48 pm ...I provided you with a quote that said that according to later Hebrew prophets, the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah (for which S & G were purposely destroyed by God) were adultery, pridefulness, and uncharitableness, and that Trump (your dear leader) is the poster boy for all three of those sins, not to mention several others.

I mean, how does Trump fare in terms of the "Seven Deadly Sins"?

Let's see...

• 1. Pride (The Hebrew prophets already covered that one, something of which Trump exudes in great profusion, like some kind of foul body odor.)
  
  2. Greed (Are you kidding?)
  
  3. Lust (Again, are you kidding? - the grab 'em by the "P" guy?)
  
  4. Envy (Clearly, he strongly envies the power wielded by his favorite dictators (Kim and Vladimir), along with anyone who has a buck (quid) more in the bank than him.)
  
  5. Gluttony (Have you seen his enormous rump?)
  
  6. Wrath (A large portion of his M.O. consists of verbal and, especially, litigious wrath against innumerable people he has attempted to destroy over the years.)
  
  7. Sloth (Well, he's definitely not slothful when it comes to committing all of the sins listed above.)

So there you have it, the only sin he is absolved of is the sin of slothfulness, and that's only because he's extremely busy working at all of the other sins.

As I have pointed out several times before, Trump is the perfect person to represent the contemporary American ethos as we rapidly approach our destiny of becoming "Sodom and Gomorrah 2.0".

Anyway, if nothing else, if it is indeed possible that a real supernatural Antichrist is in the offing, then a great portion of the American populace (even the "elite") have demonstrated how easily they could come under the thrall of such a figure.

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” -- 1 John 2:18 (KJV)

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FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 11:01 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:09 pm And if it is/were the case that Biblical prophecies turn out to be accurate, then Is it possible that Trump is the "anti-Christ"?

Who's that writin'? Don the Revelator. Wrote the book of the seven seals.

The ones who believe that sort of thing will mostly avoid actually saying they approve of Trump, even while committing massively to his policy platform. The odd thing really is that to some of them it makes no difference if Trump is the Beast, the false prophet, the Whore of Babylon or Gog the Demagogue himself, it's just a cast of characters in the book of R that brings about the end of the world they are looking forward to.

And some of those people are in positions of such influence (especially the wife beating, Deus Vult tattoed, "kill all muslims" shouting abject drunkard who runs the US DoD now) that it may not even matter that the Bible is a fairy tale, and the book of revelations is substandard pile of delusional drivel written by a mentally diseased horse. They might turn it into self-fulfilling prophecy just to own some libs.

Belushi was better than Goodman

-Imp

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:09 pm I wonder if Trump is thinking that these are the "end times" and that returning Jerusalem to the Jews and having the Jews rebuild their Temple is some kind of world historical destiny that must be fulfilled for the second coming of Jesus? Trumps seems to have ties to Christian nationalists.

He has ties to Christian nationalists but he obviously isn't a Christian. I don't think he's motivated by Christian ideology at all. I think he's sometimes motivated by people who give him power who have Christian ideology...

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:09 pm I wonder if Trump is thinking that these are the "end times" and that returning Jerusalem to the Jews and having the Jews rebuild their Temple is some kind of world historical destiny that must be fulfilled for the second coming of Jesus? Trumps seems to have ties to Christian nationalists.

And if it is/were the case that Biblical prophecies turn out to be accurate, then Is it possible that Trump is the "anti-Christ"? I mean, he has a big following in the US among evangelicals and Trump seems like the opposite of Christ. He's rich, he's intolerant of the poor and wretched.

Maybe stories are what propel human history. As they say art mimics life and life mimics art. Is it possible that we are seeing prophecies of the Bible played out for no other reason than Christians have taken the helm of the world's most powerful society? In effect a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Just out of curiosity, where and what is the supposed and so-called 'worlds most powerful society', exactly?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:09 pm And if Christians are wrong. And if Christ is not God, then will it even matter if that's the script people are adhering to and producing?

Thoughts?

WHY do you keep appearing to want to BELIEVE God is REAL and TRUE, while also WANTING TO BLAME God for ALL things, but then ALSO KEEP ASKING, 'If God exists ...?'

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:33 pm So what happens if the Bible is not accurate, that Jesus was not God incarnate but just a human being?

But, it is NEVER A QUESTION ABOUT 'whether the bible is accurate or not'.

The QUESTION IS, 'How do you human beings FIND the INTERPRETATION/s that FIT PERFECTLY WITH the One and ONLY Right, Accurate, AND Correct Truth, in Life?'

And, AGAIN, and ONCE MORE, HOW TO FIND the ACTUAL Truth of things, which OBVIOUSLY NO one EVER could REFUTE, IS A Truly VERY EASY and VERY SIMPLE PROCESS. Which, ONCE MORE, if absolutely ANY one IS INTERESTED IN LEARNING, and UNDERSTANDING, then ALLOW 'us' to have A Truly OPEN and Honest DISCUSSION, HERE, NOW

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:09 pm And what if there is no Heaven or Hell.

ONCE AGAIN, FOR the VERY SLOW OF LEARNING, 'one HAS TO EXPRESS their OWN PERSONAL DEFINITION of words, BEFORE they WILL EVER KNOW, FOR SURE, and IRREFUTABLY, IF 'those things' EXIST or NOT'.

So, what is your OWN PERSONAL DEFINITION OF the 'heaven' AND the 'hell' words, here, EXACTLY, "gary childress"?

Then, and ONLY THEN, can ANY one TELL or INFORM 'you' IF there A 'heaven' and A 'hell', or NOT. BUT, if you HAVE ALREADY DEFINED those words, or ANY other words, FULLY, 'in 'your own head', as some would say, THEN 'you' WILL ALREADY KNOW, FOR SURE, IF 'they' EXIST, or NOT.

ONCE AGAIN, just ABOUT ALL of the CONFLICT, CONFUSION, and MISUNDERSTANDING, among you human beings, and THUS IN 'the world', IS JUST BECAUSE you are YET TO DISCUSS OPENLY, AGREE UPON, and ACCEPT the ACTUAL DEFINITION/s you HAVE and USE FOR the WORDS that you SAY and WRITE, FULLY, and COMPREHENSIVELY.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:09 pm And what if the habitability of the Earth is being destroyed by human civilization gone amuck? Ie. What happens if we are following a programming script that doesn't entirely match up with the real world?

What are BOTH of these questions ACTUALLY ASKING, EXACTLY?

To BEGIN WITH;

'WHAT' is this so-called 'real world', EXACTLY ? And, WHERE IS this so-called 'real world', EXACTLY

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:09 pm What are the ramifications of playing out a program that doesn't match reality?

If 'you' REALLY WANT TO KNOW the Truth, here, "gary childress", THEN 'the program' HAS CREATED 'you' human beings WITH the ABILITY TO CHOOSE, also known as 'free will', TO DO WHATEVER SO PLEASES 'you', ALL, and/or INDIVIDUALLY.

For example, if you REALLY WANT TO LIVE in PEACE, and in HARMONY, then JUST DO IT. Then, and ONLY THEN, will there be 'life', on earth, as it is IN 'heaven'.

However, because of HOW the brain works, EXACTLY, you human beings can ONLY LEARN things, BASED UPON 'past experiences' ONLY. Therefore, and OBVIOUSLY, IF NO one has YET lived in 'a Truly peaceful and harmonious world', YET, then NONE of you could be EXPECTED TO, ALREADY, KNOW HOW TO 'live' NOR 'create' 'this type of world'. But ONLY YET.

AGAIN, 'I' HAVE, ALREADY, LEARNED HOW TO 'live' AND 'create' 'A Truly peaceful and harmonious world'. 'I', ONCE MORE, AM JUST WAITING, PATIENTLY, FOR 'those' who are Truly INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE and ANEW, HERE.

seeds wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:26 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:09 pm And if it is/were the case that Biblical prophecies turn out to be accurate, then Is it possible that Trump is the "anti-Christ"?

Thoughts?

Well, he certainly fits the bill (checks most of the requisite boxes).

According to AI Overview...

The Antichrist is a figure in Christian belief who is the opposite of Jesus Christ and is expected to bring wickedness to the world. The Antichrist is often described as a charismatic, attractive person who uses deceit to gain people's trust.

Speaking of "wickedness" and of "checking boxes," that reminds me of a conversation I had with the Wiz22 almost two years ago...

seeds wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 11:48 pm ...I provided you with a quote that said that according to later Hebrew prophets, the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah (for which S & G were purposely destroyed by God) were adultery, pridefulness, and uncharitableness, and that Trump (your dear leader) is the poster boy for all three of those sins, not to mention several others.

I mean, how does Trump fare in terms of the "Seven Deadly Sins"?

Let's see...

• 1. Pride (The Hebrew prophets already covered that one, something of which Trump exudes in great profusion, like some kind of foul body odor.)
  
  2. Greed (Are you kidding?)
  
  3. Lust (Again, are you kidding? - the grab 'em by the "P" guy?)
  
  4. Envy (Clearly, he strongly envies the power wielded by his favorite dictators (Kim and Vladimir), along with anyone who has a buck (quid) more in the bank than him.)
  
  5. Gluttony (Have you seen his enormous rump?)
  
  6. Wrath (A large portion of his M.O. consists of verbal and, especially, litigious wrath against innumerable people he has attempted to destroy over the years.)
  
  7. Sloth (Well, he's definitely not slothful when it comes to committing all of the sins listed above.)

So there you have it, the only sin he is absolved of is the sin of slothfulness, and that's only because he's extremely busy working at all of the other sins.

But, 'that one' does NOT DO ANY ACTUAL 'work', itself. "donald trump" just 'thinks' AND 'says' things, just about ONLY. And, OBVIOUSLY, there is NO ACTUAL 'work' involved in DOING either or even both of those things. It could even be SAID and ARGUED that ORDERING others TO DO 'the work', FOR them, is A PRIME EXAMPLE of being SLOTHFULNESS.

seeds wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:26 am As I have pointed out several times before, Trump is the perfect person to represent the contemporary American ethos as we rapidly approach our destiny of becoming "Sodom and Gomorrah 2.0".

Anyway, if nothing else, if it is indeed possible that a real supernatural Antichrist is in the offing, then a great portion of the American populace (even the "elite") have demonstrated how easily they could come under the thrall of such a figure.

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” -- 1 John 2:18 (KJV)

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WHEN 'I' REVEAL what the 'second coming of "jesus" IS, EXACTLY, what WILL ALSO BE REVEALED IS who and what the word 'antichrist' has been REFERRING TO, EXACTLY, which also brings WITH 'it' HOW the 'antichrist' HAS BEEN WORKING WITHIN ALL of you human beings, and HOW, EXACTLY 'it' is REALLY SO VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLE DEFEATED ONCE, and, literally, FOR, (and by), ALL.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:40 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:09 pm I wonder if Trump is thinking that these are the "end times" and that returning Jerusalem to the Jews and having the Jews rebuild their Temple is some kind of world historical destiny that must be fulfilled for the second coming of Jesus? Trumps seems to have ties to Christian nationalists.

He has ties to Christian nationalists but he obviously isn't a Christian.

In the days when this is being written there is NO A single ACTUAL "christian" AMONG you.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:40 am I don't think he's motivated by Christian ideology at all. I think he's sometimes motivated by people who give him power who have Christian ideology...

"donal trump" ONLY WANTS MORE 'money' AND MORE 'power'. Which is just more or less what ALL of you adult human beings, well in the days when this is being written, just WANT, ALSO.

AGAIN, ALL of 'you' who ARE 'JUDGING', and ARE WANTING TO 'JUDGE', ANY other, are DOING, EXACTLY, what the 'antichrist' or 'devil' DO.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:36 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:40 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:09 pm I wonder if Trump is thinking that these are the "end times" and that returning Jerusalem to the Jews and having the Jews rebuild their Temple is some kind of world historical destiny that must be fulfilled for the second coming of Jesus? Trumps seems to have ties to Christian nationalists.

He has ties to Christian nationalists but he obviously isn't a Christian.

In the days when this is being written there is NO A single ACTUAL "christian" AMONG you.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:40 am I don't think he's motivated by Christian ideology at all. I think he's sometimes motivated by people who give him power who have Christian ideology...

"donal trump" ONLY WANTS MORE 'money' AND MORE 'power'. Which is just more or less what ALL of you adult human beings, well in the days when this is being written, just WANT, ALSO.

AGAIN, ALL of 'you' who ARE 'JUDGING', and ARE WANTING TO 'JUDGE', ANY other, are DOING, EXACTLY, what the 'antichrist' or 'devil' DO.

You paint with a broad brush, Age. And you are also judging, just as the rest of us do and just as you say the 'antichrist' does. Welcome to the life raft. Please leave some room for other survivors.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:46 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:36 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:40 am

He has ties to Christian nationalists but he obviously isn't a Christian.

In the days when this is being written there is NO A single ACTUAL "christian" AMONG you.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:40 am I don't think he's motivated by Christian ideology at all. I think he's sometimes motivated by people who give him power who have Christian ideology...

"donal trump" ONLY WANTS MORE 'money' AND MORE 'power'. Which is just more or less what ALL of you adult human beings, well in the days when this is being written, just WANT, ALSO.

AGAIN, ALL of 'you' who ARE 'JUDGING', and ARE WANTING TO 'JUDGE', ANY other, are DOING, EXACTLY, what the 'antichrist' or 'devil' DO.

You paint with a broad brush, Age. And you are also judging, just as the rest of us do

BUT, ONCE AGAIN, 'I' am NOT 'judging' in 'the ways' that you adult human beings are DOING, here.

AND, for ABSOLUTELY ANY one who would like to KNOW 'the difference', then PLEASE let 'us' HAVE A DISCUSSION.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:46 pm and just as you say the 'antichrist' does.

To MAKE 'this' ABSOLUTELY CLEAR the 'I' CERTAINLY DOES NOT 'judge' LIKE the 'antichrist' and you adult human beings DO.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:46 pm Welcome to the life raft. Please leave some room for other survivors.

What are you even on about, here, EXACTLY?

ONCE MORE, NOT UNTIL you adult human beings ADMIT the Wrong that you ALL DO, 'you' AND 'the world' WILL KEEP ON the DESTRUCTIVE PATH that you are ALL ON, 'now', when this is being written.

you human beings WILL NOT GET BACK ON the Right PATH, in Life, UNTIL you adult human beings ADMIT ALL of your Wrong DOING, AND LEARN, COMPREHEND, and OBTAIN the REASONS WHY you ALL DO Wrong. (Which, by the way, is VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY TO LEARN, KNOW, and UNDERSTAND.)

So, NOT UNTIL you ALL GET the 'T.R.A.C.K., and FOLLOW 'IT', WITH the Trust, Respect, Understanding, Empathy, and the, Loyalty, Openness, with Voluntary Enthusiasm FOR and WITH absolutely EVERY one, or JUST WITH T.R.U.E. L.O.V.E., you human beings WILL NOT KNOW what LIVING IN True peace and harmony, or 'heaven' IS REALLY LIKE.

Now, AGAIN, I WILL SUGGEST that BEFORE ANY one JUDGES or ASSUMES ABSOLUTELY ANY thing, here, that they SEEK OUT and OBTAIN, and GAIN, ACTUAL CLARIFICATION/s AND CLARITY, FIRST.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:54 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:46 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:36 am

In the days when this is being written there is NO A single ACTUAL "christian" AMONG you.


"donal trump" ONLY WANTS MORE 'money' AND MORE 'power'. Which is just more or less what ALL of you adult human beings, well in the days when this is being written, just WANT, ALSO.

AGAIN, ALL of 'you' who ARE 'JUDGING', and ARE WANTING TO 'JUDGE', ANY other, are DOING, EXACTLY, what the 'antichrist' or 'devil' DO.

You paint with a broad brush, Age. And you are also judging, just as the rest of us do

BUT, ONCE AGAIN, 'I' am NOT 'judging' in 'the ways' that you adult human beings are DOING, here.

AND, for ABSOLUTELY ANY one who would like to KNOW 'the difference', then PLEASE let 'us' HAVE A DISCUSSION.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:46 pm and just as you say the 'antichrist' does.

To MAKE 'this' ABSOLUTELY CLEAR the 'I' CERTAINLY DOES NOT 'judge' LIKE the 'antichrist' and you adult human beings DO.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:46 pm Welcome to the life raft. Please leave some room for other survivors.

What are you even on about, here, EXACTLY?

ONCE MORE, NOT UNTIL you adult human beings ADMIT the Wrong that you ALL DO, 'you' AND 'the world' WILL KEEP ON the DESTRUCTIVE PATH that you are ALL ON, 'now', when this is being written.

you human beings WILL NOT GET BACK ON the Right PATH, in Life, UNTIL you adult human beings ADMIT ALL of your Wrong DOING, AND LEARN, COMPREHEND, and OBTAIN the REASONS WHY you ALL DO Wrong. (Which, by the way, is VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY TO LEARN, KNOW, and UNDERSTAND.)

So, NOT UNTIL you ALL GET the 'T.R.A.C.K., and FOLLOW 'IT', WITH the Trust, Respect, Understanding, Empathy, and the, Loyalty, Openness, with Voluntary Enthusiasm FOR and WITH absolutely EVERY one, or JUST WITH T.R.U.E. L.O.V.E., you human beings WILL NOT KNOW what LIVING IN True peace and harmony, or 'heaven' IS REALLY LIKE.

Now, AGAIN, I WILL SUGGEST that BEFORE ANY one JUDGES or ASSUMES ABSOLUTELY ANY thing, here, that they SEEK OUT and OBTAIN, and GAIN, ACTUAL CLARIFICATION/s AND CLARITY, FIRST.

Those are cool acronyms.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:46 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:36 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:40 am

He has ties to Christian nationalists but he obviously isn't a Christian.

In the days when this is being written there is NO A single ACTUAL "christian" AMONG you.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:40 am I don't think he's motivated by Christian ideology at all. I think he's sometimes motivated by people who give him power who have Christian ideology...

"donal trump" ONLY WANTS MORE 'money' AND MORE 'power'. Which is just more or less what ALL of you adult human beings, well in the days when this is being written, just WANT, ALSO.

AGAIN, ALL of 'you' who ARE 'JUDGING', and ARE WANTING TO 'JUDGE', ANY other, are DOING, EXACTLY, what the 'antichrist' or 'devil' DO.

You paint with a broad brush, Age.

Okay, but is THE 'world' or 'universal' view of things MEANT TO BE 'small' and 'narrowed', OR, BROAD, WIDE, and LARGE?

Would you like to SEE, (understand and know) the 'Big Picture' of Life? Or, do you prefer to only have a 'small narrowed or closed' view, of 'Life', Itself?

Obviously, the BROADER 'the brush', as some might say, then the BIGGER 'the picture' that WILL BE DRAWN, and SHOWED, or REVEALED.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:01 pm Would you like to SEE, (understand and know) the 'Big Picture' of Life? Or, do you prefer to only have a 'small narrowed or closed' view, of 'Life', Itself?

Yes. I would like to know the "Big Picture" of life.