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Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:54 pm Is there an argument that comes with this or is this meant to be more of a poem?

mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:20 am You are confused. You have confused yourself because you believe confusion is more profound than clarity.

You are philosophy‘s antithesis.

mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:20 am You are confused. You have confused yourself because you believe confusion is more profound than clarity.

You are philosophy‘s antithesis.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:54 pm Is there an argument that comes with this or is this meant to be more of a poem?

Whatever time means to you, is all that matters.

For me, there's an awareness of time which I am continuously creating as my only frame of reference, while I try to navigate and organise my life. For me, there is some thought about the past, or some thought about the future. I have no other frame of reference by which I can capture 'time' as occurring anywhere else except as a memory, or as a projection of the future...which are both mental constructs occurring now. These constructs do not actually exist outside of the immediate mental construct of them.

For me, both past and future, are null and void realities, in other words, past and future are mentally constructed ideas of the mind. Time is a made-up construct. Time hasn't come from some past, to be here now, neither does time time leave here now to go to some future. The movement is simply a mental construct in my awareness that is not moving.

Change, not time is what is mostly felt, more than the passing of time, change is more about what is happening, as change comes about when there is an awareness of something. An awareness of something triggers a thought to arise immediately, and in the exact same moment, the thought is gone. Thought changes the awareness of them into some kind of 'thinking entity' So in that immediate moment of change, it's like reality has split into two versions of itself. Suddenly, there is a subject and an object. A duality has occurred, of me and other, night and day etc etc..also simultaneously creating a space between the two polarities, so it's now appearing as triangular. When in fact, all is only a movement within the mind that's all, nothing has actually moved, except in the mind that constructs the concept.

So even change is circular, because that which is aware of change, never moves either. Change is not actually going anywhere, or coming from somewhere, rather, there's an oscillation of mental movement, like the beating of the heart always permanently fixed in position. Just like any screen on which the movie is moving upon, moving, but not going anywhere past or beyond the screen on which it is playing.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:54 pm Is there an argument that comes with this or is this meant to be more of a poem?

Whatever time means to you, is all that matters.

For me, there's an awareness of time which I am continuously creating as my only frame of reference, while I try to navigate and organise my life. For me, there is some thought about the past, or some thought about the future. I have no other frame of reference by which I can capture 'time' as occurring anywhere else except as a memory, or as a projection of the future...which are both mental constructs occurring now. These constructs do not actually exist outside of the immediate mental construct of them.

For me, both past and future, are null and void realities, in other words, past and future are mentally constructed ideas of the mind. Time is a made-up construct.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 am Time hasn't come from some past, to be here now, neither does time time leave here now to go to some future. The movement is simply a mental construct in my awareness that is not moving.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 am Change, not time is what is mostly felt, more than the passing of time, change is more about what is happening, as change comes about when there is an awareness of something. An awareness of something triggers a thought to arise immediately, and in the exact same moment, the thought is gone. Thought changes the awareness of them into some kind of 'thinking entity'

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 am So in that immediate moment of change, it's like reality has split into two versions of itself. Suddenly, there is a subject and an object. A duality has occurred, of me and other, night and day etc etc..also simultaneously creating a space between the two polarities, so it's now appearing as triangular.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 am When in fact, all is only a movement within the mind that's all, nothing has actually moved, except in the mind that constructs the concept.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 am So even change is circular, because that which is aware of change, never moves either. Change is not actually going anywhere, or coming from somewhere, rather, there's an oscillation of mental movement, like the beating of the heart always permanently fixed in position. Just like any screen on which the movie is moving upon, moving, but not going anywhere past or beyond the screen on which it is playing.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:23 am All moments are happening all the time.

Time is what keeps everything happening all at once. It keeps eggs from unscrambling, meaning, the creation of now is unwritten, only becoming written as a fairy story held in memory that is less work to build and easier to live in as and when there is the demand for knowledge.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:41 am

mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:20 am You are confused. You have confused yourself because you believe confusion is more profound than clarity.

You are philosophy‘s antithesis.

Ok.

But I am not really sure what you mean. In actuality, I think Clarity is not-knowing, and Confusion is knowing. If that confuses you, then know it doesn't have to, as to be in alignment with clarity is the best one can do whenever confusion arises.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:39 am

mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:20 am You are confused. You have confused yourself because you believe confusion is more profound than clarity.

You are philosophy‘s antithesis.

Quite frankly antithetical notions have great value, they prevent stagnation.

Given the abundance of paradox within experience the constant state of being is transitional.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:39 am There is always a duality between a particular localized awareness and a general encompassing awareness. Given the subjectivity of time, time manifests as many paradoxical qualities. Everyone generally thinks their view is full proof, on its own terms, until a antithetical view comes into play that challenges one to adapt.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:49 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:54 pm Is there an argument that comes with this or is this meant to be more of a poem?

Whatever time means to you, is all that matters.

For me, there's an awareness of time which I am continuously creating as my only frame of reference, while I try to navigate and organise my life. For me, there is some thought about the past, or some thought about the future. I have no other frame of reference by which I can capture 'time' as occurring anywhere else except as a memory, or as a projection of the future...which are both mental constructs occurring now. These constructs do not actually exist outside of the immediate mental construct of them.

For me, both past and future, are null and void realities, in other words, past and future are mentally constructed ideas of the mind. Time is a made-up construct. Time hasn't come from some past, to be here now, neither does time time leave here now to go to some future. The movement is simply a mental construct in my awareness that is not moving.

Change, not time is what is mostly felt, more than the passing of time, change is more about what is happening, as change comes about when there is an awareness of something. An awareness of something triggers a thought to arise immediately, and in the exact same moment, the thought is gone. Thought changes the awareness of them into some kind of 'thinking entity' So in that immediate moment of change, it's like reality has split into two versions of itself. Suddenly, there is a subject and an object. A duality has occurred, of me and other, night and day etc etc..also simultaneously creating a space between the two polarities, so it's now appearing as triangular. When in fact, all is only a movement within the mind that's all, nothing has actually moved, except in the mind that constructs the concept.

So even change is circular, because that which is aware of change, never moves either. Change is not actually going anywhere, or coming from somewhere, rather, there's an oscillation of mental movement, like the beating of the heart always permanently fixed in position. Just like any screen on which the movie is moving upon, moving, but not going anywhere past or beyond the screen on which it is playing.

True, but I believe it can be taken a step further:

1. The rhythmic qualities of time necessitates a circularity.
2. The progressive change necessitates a linearism.
3. Both simultaneously argues time as a spiral of transition.
4. The strict occurence of the thing is the point of observation.

Time is quadratic and geometric by nature.

The only observation of time is a malleable conception. I have noticed in my meditations points where the only experience of it is a ticking clock that signifies nothing, sometimes, and at other points it seems relatively fast or relatively slow given the emphasis of how I choose to value it.

On the other hand time is what allows distinctions to occur and is interwoven within this dimension of existence. This vaguely reminds me of Zeno's paradox, but in effect nullifies it for the changing measurements of the mind are part of the inherent reality it observes.

I have argued with AI, to some success, that time is merely expanding and contracting space. Movement, through time, is space merely folding itself...thus the birth of percievable form. An observation of time is merely an observation of a dimension of space within space.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:49 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:54 pm Is there an argument that comes with this or is this meant to be more of a poem?

Whatever time means to you, is all that matters.

For me, there's an awareness of time which I am continuously creating as my only frame of reference, while I try to navigate and organise my life. For me, there is some thought about the past, or some thought about the future. I have no other frame of reference by which I can capture 'time' as occurring anywhere else except as a memory, or as a projection of the future...which are both mental constructs occurring now. These constructs do not actually exist outside of the immediate mental construct of them.

For me, both past and future, are null and void realities, in other words, past and future are mentally constructed ideas of the mind. Time is a made-up construct. Time hasn't come from some past, to be here now, neither does time time leave here now to go to some future. The movement is simply a mental construct in my awareness that is not moving.

Change, not time is what is mostly felt, more than the passing of time, change is more about what is happening, as change comes about when there is an awareness of something. An awareness of something triggers a thought to arise immediately, and in the exact same moment, the thought is gone. Thought changes the awareness of them into some kind of 'thinking entity' So in that immediate moment of change, it's like reality has split into two versions of itself. Suddenly, there is a subject and an object. A duality has occurred, of me and other, night and day etc etc..also simultaneously creating a space between the two polarities, so it's now appearing as triangular. When in fact, all is only a movement within the mind that's all, nothing has actually moved, except in the mind that constructs the concept.

So even change is circular, because that which is aware of change, never moves either. Change is not actually going anywhere, or coming from somewhere, rather, there's an oscillation of mental movement, like the beating of the heart always permanently fixed in position. Just like any screen on which the movie is moving upon, moving, but not going anywhere past or beyond the screen on which it is playing.

True, but I believe it can be taken a step further:

1. The rhythmic qualities of time necessitates a circularity.
2. The progressive change necessitates a linearism.
3. Both simultaneously argues time as a spiral of transition.
4. The strict occurence of the thing is the point of observation.

Time is quadratic and geometric by nature.

The only observation of time is a malleable conception. I have noticed in my meditations points where the only experience of it is a ticking clock that signifies nothing, sometimes, and at other points it seems relatively fast or relatively slow given the emphasis of how I choose to value it.

On the other hand time is what allows distinctions to occur and is interwoven within this dimension of existence. This vaguely reminds me of Zeno's paradox, but in effect nullifies it for the changing measurements of the mind are part of the inherent reality it observes.

I have argued with AI, to some success, that time is merely expanding and contracting space. Movement, through time, is space merely folding itself...thus the birth of percievable form. An observation of time is merely an observation of a dimension of space within space.