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The knowledge of “cause and effect” comes into being as and through the function of observing something. The observer and the observed, although seemingly two things; are at the same time, inseparably conjoined as one unitary function.

Things must always exist, and things do exist even while they are not being observed. If there were no thing’s existing, then there would be nothing to observe, and so there would be no observer either.

While things always exist, the observer only comes into existence when the things are being observed. Thing’s therefore are the cause of the observers existence and vice versa, the observer makes known the things as an effect of observation as and through the unitary action of observing.

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Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:30 am The knowledge of “cause and effect” comes into being as and through the function of observing something. The observer and the observed, although seemingly two things; are at the same time, inseparably conjoined as one unitary function.

Things must always exist, and things do exist even while they are not being observed. If there were no thing’s existing, then there would be nothing to observe, and so there would be no observer either.

While things always exist, the observer only comes into existence when the things are being observed. Thing’s therefore are the cause of the observers existence and vice versa, the observer makes known the things as an effect of observation as and through the unitary action of observing.

Cause is an occurence.

1. There is occurence.

2. There are occurences relative to other occurences.

3. This relationship is an occurence.

4. All occurences are transient, thus empty in themselves.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:07 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:30 am The knowledge of “cause and effect” comes into being as and through the function of observing something. The observer and the observed, although seemingly two things; are at the same time, inseparably conjoined as one unitary function.

Things must always exist, and things do exist even while they are not being observed. If there were no thing’s existing, then there would be nothing to observe, and so there would be no observer either.

While things always exist, the observer only comes into existence when the things are being observed. Thing’s therefore are the cause of the observers existence and vice versa, the observer makes known the things as an effect of observation as and through the unitary action of observing.

Cause is an occurence.

1. There is occurence.

2. There are occurences relative to other occurences.

3. This relationship is an occurence.

4. All occurences are transient, thus empty in themselves.

I agree, and is why 'cause and effect' belongs only to the realm of the transient relative, within the dream of separation, that the ancient new people often talk about as an idea that never seems to change as time goes by within the timeless realm of the dream state..

But that's just more of my metaphysical musings, more mumbo jumbo ramblings of thinking I know what I am talking about, but don't actually. Tongue in cheek, so to speak.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:32 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:07 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:30 am The knowledge of “cause and effect” comes into being as and through the function of observing something. The observer and the observed, although seemingly two things; are at the same time, inseparably conjoined as one unitary function.

Things must always exist, and things do exist even while they are not being observed. If there were no thing’s existing, then there would be nothing to observe, and so there would be no observer either.

While things always exist, the observer only comes into existence when the things are being observed. Thing’s therefore are the cause of the observers existence and vice versa, the observer makes known the things as an effect of observation as and through the unitary action of observing.

Cause is an occurence.

1. There is occurence.

2. There are occurences relative to other occurences.

3. This relationship is an occurence.

4. All occurences are transient, thus empty in themselves.

I agree, and is why 'cause and effect' belongs only to the realm of the transient relative, within the dream of separation, that the ancient new people often talk about as an idea that never seems to change as time goes by within the timeless realm of the dream state..

But that's just more of my metaphysical musings, more mumbo jumbo ramblings of thinking I know what I am talking about, but don't actually. Tongue in cheek, so to speak.

I know things occur and these things are transient....all else in philosophy is but a game within a game.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:00 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:32 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:07 am

Cause is an occurence.

1. There is occurence.

2. There are occurences relative to other occurences.

3. This relationship is an occurence.

4. All occurences are transient, thus empty in themselves.

I agree, and is why 'cause and effect' belongs only to the realm of the transient relative, within the dream of separation, that the ancient new people often talk about as an idea that never seems to change as time goes by within the timeless realm of the dream state..

But that's just more of my metaphysical musings, more mumbo jumbo ramblings of thinking I know what I am talking about, but don't actually. Tongue in cheek, so to speak.

I know things occur and these things are transient....all else in philosophy is but a game within a game.

I think same thing. I like the game within a game analogy, like the nesting of multiple universes inside the meta-verse con-versing with itself as an imposter other.

Meta speakingly.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:35 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:00 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:32 am

I agree, and is why 'cause and effect' belongs only to the realm of the transient relative, within the dream of separation, that the ancient new people often talk about as an idea that never seems to change as time goes by within the timeless realm of the dream state..

But that's just more of my metaphysical musings, more mumbo jumbo ramblings of thinking I know what I am talking about, but don't actually. Tongue in cheek, so to speak.

I know things occur and these things are transient....all else in philosophy is but a game within a game.

I think same thing. I like the game within a game analogy, like the nesting of multiple universes inside the meta-verse con-versing with itself as an imposter other.

Meta speakingly.

We only know of things because of repetition (recursion) and contrast (alternation between states). There are "laws" to experience. Recursion alternates in an out of experience and alternation recurs....even these two laws exist through eachother.

Philosophy is much like this:

Arguments are the recursion of assertions and the alternation between thetical and antithetical experiences.

All beings are causes to all other beings. The world as a being is the ultimate cause to which all organisms react, rather than act, for there is no such thing as human action; there is only human reaction. Being itself is the cause of the reactions of all other beings, a great complexity of the generation of apparent reality. So, to me, cause and effect is a bit of a misnomer, and rather muddies the waters of our understanding. This process can be thought of as that which many people refer to as the oneness of reality, cause, and reaction is the process of reality. Any thoughts on this out there? Being across the board is cause to all other beings and their reactions in turn are cause to their outer world and its beings.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:30 am The knowledge of “cause and effect” comes into being as and through the function of observing something. The observer and the observed, although seemingly two things; are at the same time, inseparably conjoined as one unitary function.

Things must always exist, and things do exist even while they are not being observed. If there were no thing’s existing, then there would be nothing to observe, and so there would be no observer either.

While things always exist, the observer only comes into existence when the things are being observed. Thing’s therefore are the cause of the observers existence and vice versa, the observer makes known the things as an effect of observation as and through the unitary action of observing.

Astute observations.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:00 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:30 am

The knowledge of “cause and effect” comes into being as and through the function of observing something. The observer and the observed, although seemingly two things; are at the same time, inseparably conjoined as one unitary function.
Things must always exist, and things do exist even while they are not being observed. If there were no thing’s existing, then there would be nothing to observe, and so there would be no observer either.
While things always exist, the observer only comes into existence when the things are being observed. Thing’s therefore are the cause of the observers existence and vice versa, the observer makes known the things as an effect of observation as and through the unitary action of observing.

Astute observations.

Hi Commonsense,

There is cause and reaction as effect, and the effect/reaction is cause to your outer world, or the physically apparent world. The binary relationship of subject and object is apparent reality, the knowledge and/or meaning as such, is the property of the conscious subject and never that of the object. Apparent reality arises, due to the alterations/changes the surrounding energies have upon our biology, which gives us experience. The totality of those experiences is our apparent reality, for it is a biological readout of our experiences. Take away the object and consciousness ceases to be, take away the conscious subject, and the object ceases to be. "While things always exist, the observer only comes into existence when things are being observed." Not quite right! Science tells us all is energy, nothing but energy, and we are energy forms sensitive to other forms of energy. Think of it this way, the world, the cosmos, is energy, and that energy plays upon our biology as an instrument, the melody it plays upon its instrument is apparent reality. Our apparent reality is an emergent property of energy and biology as the property of a conscious subject. We do not experience what is out there, we experience how what is out there, alters our bodies, giving us experiences. All creatures are reactionary creatures, and in their reactions, they are causes to their outer world. All being is cause to all other beings. It's something like the net of Indra in East India philosophy, where each Jem in the net, reflects every other Jem. Science tells us that ultimate reality is a place of no things, just energy, food for thought.















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