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Is Experience Fundamentally Made Up?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:13 am
by Eodnhoj7
Is the experience of the world manifested by beliefs in axioms that act as foundations upon which to build conceptions that in turn form our interactions which further cultivate our experience of the world, thus is experience completely made up by beliefs?

Re: Is Experience Fundamentally Made Up?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:20 am
by Veritas Aequitas
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:13 am Is the experience of the world manifested by beliefs in axioms that act as foundations upon which to build conceptions that in turn form our interactions which further cultivate our experience of the world, thus is experience completely made up by beliefs?
A belief is a subjective attitude that something is true or a state of affairs is the case. A subjective attitude is a mental state of having some stance, take, or opinion about something.-WIKI
Experience refers to conscious events in general, more specifically to perceptions, or to the practical knowledge and familiarity that is produced by these processes. Understood as a conscious event in the widest sense, experience involves a subject to which various items are presented. In this sense, seeing a yellow bird on a branch presents the subject with the objects "bird" and "branch", the relation between them and the property "yellow".
Unreal items may be included as well, which happens when experiencing hallucinations or dreams.
"experiencing hallucinations or dreams" do not entail beliefs as defined.

Thus, experience CANNOT be completely made up by beliefs.

Re: Is Experience Fundamentally Made Up?

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:57 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:20 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:13 am Is the experience of the world manifested by beliefs in axioms that act as foundations upon which to build conceptions that in turn form our interactions which further cultivate our experience of the world, thus is experience completely made up by beliefs?
A belief is a subjective attitude that something is true or a state of affairs is the case. A subjective attitude is a mental state of having some stance, take, or opinion about something.-WIKI
Experience refers to conscious events in general, more specifically to perceptions, or to the practical knowledge and familiarity that is produced by these processes. Understood as a conscious event in the widest sense, experience involves a subject to which various items are presented. In this sense, seeing a yellow bird on a branch presents the subject with the objects "bird" and "branch", the relation between them and the property "yellow".
Unreal items may be included as well, which happens when experiencing hallucinations or dreams.
"experiencing hallucinations or dreams" do not entail beliefs as defined.

Thus, experience CANNOT be completely made up by beliefs.
Completely...no, so I agree with you. By degrees? Yes.

Re: Is Experience Fundamentally Made Up?

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:15 pm
by Fairy
About as made up as an hallucination is made up, yes.

Re: Is Experience Fundamentally Made Up?

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:33 pm
by Impenitent
the most beautiful women don't need make up

-Imp

Re: Is Experience Fundamentally Made Up?

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:21 am
by Eodnhoj7
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:15 pm About as made up as an hallucination is made up, yes.
Hallucinations affect reality regardless of their truth.

Quite frankly I believe hallucinations are symbols of the psyche where there is either neglected or uncultivated aspects of the self that "cry out" for attention...this "cry out for attention" is the hallucinations itself.

There may be rational qualities to hallucinations, they are the pain resulting from a deep wound and the pain points to where the psychic wound is.

Re: Is Experience Fundamentally Made Up?

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:15 am
by Fairy
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:21 am
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:15 pm About as made up as an hallucination is made up, yes.
Hallucinations affect reality regardless of their truth.

Quite frankly I believe hallucinations are symbols of the psyche where there is either neglected or uncultivated aspects of the self that "cry out" for attention...this "cry out for attention" is the hallucinations itself.

There may be rational qualities to hallucinations, they are the pain resulting from a deep wound and the pain points to where the psychic wound is.
I don't know anything about brain function, only what I've read about by experts. Possibly, the brain could be hallucinating the entire cosmos into existence, is one theory. And that images seen are simply simulacrums.

All I seem to have is my imagination, and my dreams, to guide me to truth.

Re: Is Experience Fundamentally Made Up?

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:20 am
by Eodnhoj7
Fairy wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:15 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:21 am
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:15 pm About as made up as an hallucination is made up, yes.
Hallucinations affect reality regardless of their truth.

Quite frankly I believe hallucinations are symbols of the psyche where there is either neglected or uncultivated aspects of the self that "cry out" for attention...this "cry out for attention" is the hallucinations itself.

There may be rational qualities to hallucinations, they are the pain resulting from a deep wound and the pain points to where the psychic wound is.
All I seem to have is my imagination, and my dreams, to guide me to truth.
Don't we all. It is a very Jungian thing....