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Given the eastern view of reincarnation and the western view of eternal partiality (individual eternal soul) could an argument be made, relative to the starting assumption of an afterlife (which is controversial in itself and another thread topic entirely), that these cyclical and linear viewpoints be synthesized as a cyclical soul within this dimension that upon completion of its cycle "populate" a heaven or hell dimension with an eternal version reflective of qualities it accumulated with the time and space of this dimension?

In other words does the soul continually cycle while creating eternal souls simultaneously?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:42 am Given the eastern view of reincarnation and the western view of eternal partiality (individual eternal soul) could an argument be made, relative to the starting assumption of an afterlife (which is controversial in itself and another thread topic entirely), that these cyclical and linear viewpoints be synthesized as a cyclical soul within this dimension that upon completion of its cycle "populate" a heaven or hell dimension with an eternal version reflective of qualities it accumulated with the time and space of this dimension?

Yes, and it could be a sound AND valid, and/or irrefutable, argument which is made.

And, VERY SIMPLY and VERY EASILY, AS WELL.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:42 am In other words does the soul continually cycle while creating eternal souls simultaneously?

No. It is the Spirit that is eternal, or which you might call 'continually cycling', while creating 'new souls', which then exist forever afterwards.

As can be and HAS, ALREADY, BEEN PROVED True, Right, Accurate, AND Correct.

The soul may be observed as a pattern of energy that is the act of attention, patterned through perception by degree of attachments and aversions by which values and the corresponding morality occur as but a process to manifest said values, so that what may be called an individual soul is but a process of a transforming identity, within a given dimension of time and space, where the primal act of attention itself, the potentiality of pure awareness by nature of voidness, is the source by which the energy value occurs for by the degree of potentiality does actuality occur and the greatest potential is an empty mind or mind with minimal to no patterns of bias.

The release of the soul from a body within a specific dimension is but a cycle of the soul, where it's existence is continuous within a higher dimension as an eternal cycle within said dimension by a recursion of values given energy by attention and intention. The higher dimension by which the soul returns is but a dimension that is filtered again through differing dimensions thus leading to the soul in one respect being an eternal cycle within said higher dimension, while it's cycling back to dimensions of different times and spaces is but the manifestation of a new transforming identity of said soul as an isomorphic variation of it for the dimensions by which the soul exists are the conditions which give it various identities by nature of differing appearances. The new soul, is but a variation of the previous, and upon a re-release the new soul observes an eternal cycle within a high dimension.

In other terms reincarnation is the creation of a soul that's conditional nature of value assertion returns to a high realm, and exists as an eternal cycle, while recycling to another dimension until it again returns to create another eternal cycle.

In these respects reincarnation is the manifestation of not only a repeated pattern of energy in one dimension but the manifestation of eternal cycles in another. Reincarnation and eternal salvation or damnation exist simultaneously.

In theory the soul may be 0 point energy of physics for by attention does change and transformation occur within reality.

Imagine what would happen if you crammed every possible object that could ever exist into a single, infinitely small point. That's Infinity/God.
This absolute Singularity never moves away from itself. Nothing exists. Everything is existence rippling outwards from its centre infinitely. Going nowhere. Zero point energy.

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 8:15 am Imagine what would happen if you crammed every possible object that could ever exist into a single, infinitely small point.

What even is an 'infinitely small point', exactly?

Now, how the word, 'singularity', can be defined, is as, 'An infinite compression of matter'. Which just means that 'at singularity' all matter is compressed into one singular piece of matter', with absolutely no 'space' within it.

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 8:15 am That's Infinity/God.

But, 'that' [singularity] is not infinity, nor God.

Just because you called 'it', 'a single infinitely small point', this in no way means that 'it' is infinite, nor infinity, itself.

What is actually apparently infinite, here, is just the 'space' outside of, or surrounding, that one solitary singular piece of infinitely compressed matter. As that 'space' goes on infinitely.

'Singularity', itself, is not infinity, nor God, as it is only one thing, (out of two), which make up and create the Universe, Itself, and which obviously is not 'infinite' in size.

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 8:15 am This absolute Singularity never moves away from itself.

To even begin to assume that 'it' could seems a rather ridiculous thing to think. Well to me, anyway.

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 8:15 am Nothing exists.

But, you just stated that 'singularity' exists. And, let 'us' not forget that 'it' exists in the Universe, Itself.

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 8:15 am Everything is existence rippling outwards from its centre infinitely.

So, what you mean is that 'space' goes on infinitely outwards from that one piece of matter, right?

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 8:15 am Going nowhere.

Because absolutely every thing is relative to, 'the observer'. What 'you' personally consider is 'nowhere' is not actually 'nowhere' to others.

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 8:15 am Zero point energy.

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 8:15 am Imagine what would happen if you crammed every possible object that could ever exist into a single, infinitely small point. That's Infinity/God.
This absolute Singularity never moves away from itself. Nothing exists. Everything is existence rippling outwards from its centre infinitely. Going nowhere. Zero point energy.

Point 0 is where attention begins, observing one's own mind is evidence of this.

Point 0 underlies all things by degree of the potentiality through which things exist by nature of the necessary change that defines them.

Truth is best symbolized as such: •

The numbers don't add up for reincarnation. Going from 3 billion to over 8 billion souls within my lifetime, where did all of the souls come from?

“This concern with the basic condition of freedom -- the absence of physical constraint -- is unquestiona­bly necessary, but is not all that is necessary. It is perfectly possible for a man to be out of prison, and yet not free -- to be under no physical constraint and yet to be a psychological captive, compelled to think, feel and act as the representatives of the national State, or of some private interest within the nation, want him to think, feel and act. There will never be such a thing as a writ of habeas mentem; for no sheriff or jailer can bring an illegally imprisoned mind into court, and no person whose mind had been made captive by the methods outlined in earlier articles would be in a position to complain of his captivity. The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The vic­tim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him, the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective.”
― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 8:50 am The numbers don't add up for reincarnation. Going from 3 billion to over 8 billion souls within my lifetime, where did all of the souls come from?

As there are heading up to, order of magnitude, ten to the thirtieth power of organisms on Earth, what's the problem?

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 8:50 am The numbers don't add up for reincarnation. Going from 3 billion to over 8 billion souls within my lifetime, where did all of the souls come from?

Actually they do in several respects, the ravaging of the animal world and decrease in population corresponds to an increase in human life.

Dually, given the isomorphic properties of existence, a soul in a higher dimension can appear in a lower dimension as multiple isomorphic variations of itself.

Third, the cycling of a soul can create an eternal cycle of said soul in another dimension of time and space. So there is the eternal soul that is expressed isomorphically in this dimension. This isomorphic variation passes and the isomorphic variation goes to another dimension as another added eternal cycle. Process continues...exponential multiplication.

Reincarnation is interdimensional thus an increase in appearances in one dimension has a counterbalance absence in another. The manifestation of souls in a dimension is akin to a frequency.

Reincarnation exists.
Partial eternalism exists.

Eastern theology/philosophy is correct.
Western theology/philosophy is correct.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 10:32 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 8:50 am The numbers don't add up for reincarnation. Going from 3 billion to over 8 billion souls within my lifetime, where did all of the souls come from?

As there are heading up to, order of magnitude, ten to the thirtieth power of organisms on Earth, what's the problem?

"Organisms on Earth", might not sound like a post hoc excuse if folks under hypnosis reported past lives as rats, chickens and e coli.

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 6:35 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 10:32 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 8:50 am The numbers don't add up for reincarnation. Going from 3 billion to over 8 billion souls within my lifetime, where did all of the souls come from?

As there are heading up to, order of magnitude, ten to the thirtieth power of organisms on Earth, what's the problem?

"Organisms on Earth", might not sound like a post hoc excuse if folks under hypnosis reported past lives as rats, chickens and e coli.

I think you are ignoring the other aspects of the argument and not being well verse enough in the research of many people having past life memories of animal states. This is faulty however as imagination can warp memory.

There is evidence of people recalling factual past events to such detail outside a realm of knowledge they have access to other than academic specialists in such fields. NDEs point to similar stories.

Hypnosis only results in suggestibilty, it is not a strict means of understanding past events. I know from personal experience, the observation of others and scientific research.
It is an incomplete approach to understanding the psyche. Memories can be revealed or falsely implanted.

Given the cyclical nature of reality, evidenced by the simple degree of experiential phenomena repeating and the necessary recursion of limits so that order occurs, the nature of the soul, attentive energy, exists by said cycle given the fundamental nature of attention is the recursion of distinction making.

Death is but a transference of a recursive perceptual identity between dimensions.

Reincarnation observes the cyclicality of the soul by nature of movement between or within dimensions.

Partial eternalism observes the cyclicality of the soul as an eternal identity within a given dimension.

The question of the afterlife, and reincarnation/partial eternalism by default, is not limited to experiential perception, which can be faulty, but is inherently mathematically, logically and geometrically inevitable in light of a holographic universe.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 7:20 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 6:35 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 10:32 am
As there are heading up to, order of magnitude, ten to the thirtieth power of organisms on Earth, what's the problem?

"Organisms on Earth", might not sound like a post hoc excuse if folks under hypnosis reported past lives as rats, chickens and e coli.

I think you are ignoring the other aspects of the argument and not being well verse enough in the research of many people having past life memories of animal states. This is faulty however as imagination can warp memory.

There is evidence of people recalling factual past events to such detail outside a realm of knowledge they have access to other than academic specialists in such fields. NDEs point to similar stories.

Hypnosis only results in suggestibilty, it is not a strict means of understanding past events. I know from personal experience, the observation of others and scientific research.
It is an incomplete approach to understanding the psyche. Memories can be revealed or falsely implanted.

Given the cyclical nature of reality, evidenced by the simple degree of experiential phenomena repeating and the necessary recursion of limits so that order occurs, the nature of the soul, attentive energy, exists by said cycle given the fundamental nature of attention is the recursion of distinction making.

Death is but a transference of a recursive perceptual identity between dimensions.

Reincarnation observes the cyclicality of the soul by nature of movement between or within dimensions.

Partial eternalism observes the cyclicality of the soul as an eternal identity within a given dimension.

The question of the afterlife, and reincarnation/partial eternalism by default, is not limited to experiential perception, which can be faulty, but is inherently mathematically, logically and geometrically inevitable in light of a holographic universe.

A not uninteresting set of beliefs. As it happens, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and I agree this subject matter doesn't lend itself to the acquisition of such evidence. Though taking a few steps back and looking at the bigger picture, two truths become clear: first, irrespective of whether reincarnation exists or not, there is a human psychological drive to want there to be more than what we commonly experience. And second, there is no practical difference to individuals whether reincarnation exists or not. Thus it falls into the common status of things metaphysical of not only being unproven, but being unprovable (which is not a value judgment)

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 8:44 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 7:20 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 6:35 pm

"Organisms on Earth", might not sound like a post hoc excuse if folks under hypnosis reported past lives as rats, chickens and e coli.

I think you are ignoring the other aspects of the argument and not being well verse enough in the research of many people having past life memories of animal states. This is faulty however as imagination can warp memory.

There is evidence of people recalling factual past events to such detail outside a realm of knowledge they have access to other than academic specialists in such fields. NDEs point to similar stories.

Hypnosis only results in suggestibilty, it is not a strict means of understanding past events. I know from personal experience, the observation of others and scientific research.
It is an incomplete approach to understanding the psyche. Memories can be revealed or falsely implanted.

Given the cyclical nature of reality, evidenced by the simple degree of experiential phenomena repeating and the necessary recursion of limits so that order occurs, the nature of the soul, attentive energy, exists by said cycle given the fundamental nature of attention is the recursion of distinction making.

Death is but a transference of a recursive perceptual identity between dimensions.

Reincarnation observes the cyclicality of the soul by nature of movement between or within dimensions.

Partial eternalism observes the cyclicality of the soul as an eternal identity within a given dimension.

The question of the afterlife, and reincarnation/partial eternalism by default, is not limited to experiential perception, which can be faulty, but is inherently mathematically, logically and geometrically inevitable in light of a holographic universe.

A not uninteresting set of beliefs. As it happens, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and I agree this subject matter doesn't lend itself to the acquisition of such evidence. Though taking a few steps back and looking at the bigger picture, two truths become clear: first, irrespective of whether reincarnation exists or not, there is a human psychological drive to want there to be more than what we commonly experience. And second, there is no practical difference to individuals whether reincarnation exists or not. Thus it falls into the common status of things metaphysical of not only being unproven, but being unprovable (which is not a value judgment)

Relativity speaks....

Evidence for one is the absence for another as evidence is but the assertion of interpretation.

Some people want reincarnation, others fear it.

Case in point, I heard an interesting scientific study about religious beliefs, about 8 years ago, that stuck with me as it revealed human psychology.

This specific study was about the dynamic of transitional eastern and western beliefs.

Westerners favored reincarnation because of there relatively luxurious lifestyles blinded them to the impression they would get to repeat them.

Easterners favored partial eternalism because they lacked luxury and in simple terms "wanted to get the hell out of here".

Now context has to be acknowledged, it was one specific study. I did not intentionally look for others.

People's beliefs are often driven by desire...for many they are strictly based solely on desire. Desire it what determines how people view reality...for better or worse as such a thing is debatable at the meta-level of analysis.

Now if wants or desires objectivity, ie minimal to no bias or at least the awareness of an internal present bias, the nature of reincarnation is given evidence in a holographic view of existence. This same holographic view also justifies partial eternalism. In these respects both occur simultaneously... under the specific context of holography of course.

As to the practicality of "another life" it is almost too practical. People base their actions off of reward and punishment for the most part. Is it a pleasant truth? Absolutely not. Is it true though? For the majority it is. An afterlife steers the course of how people interact with reality. If anything is consider practical in regards to truth...an interpretation of an afterlife is more than is not.

A holographically based logic proves such things within the context of the logic as the logic extends to geometry, and given the premanence of spatial forms that determine experience the logic would prove life after death by degree of continuity of perceptual attentive energy being a pattern that transfers between dimensions upon release.