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Love is sacrifice of the percieved self for when a layer of the percieved self is sacrificed the center of a person gains a deeper degree of freedom in awareness and action as a barrier to awareness is reduced.

With this freedom possibility and potentiality emerges thus giving a greater depth to existence where a balance comes forth allowing all things to have a time and place giving root to a sense of completion that allows the interior fruit of value and purpose to occur and genuineness to be sustained.

The simple act of paying attention reduces distraction which minimizes ambiguity for a sense of clarity and with this clarity the act of focus becomes more resolute as idolized experiences becomes leveled for a more holistic view that gives rise to an awareness of the infinite diversity of things as equinamous while having distinct irreplaceable attributes observed through the sheer nature of occurence itself.

It is in the act of paying attention that a great degree of freedom is cultivated for this allows interior and exterior change to arise and with change comes an elimination of limits for a renewed sense of experience.

Love is not limited to a feeling or mindset but rather is beyond such things, and yet allows them, for it is the cultivation of awareness within the depths of being, it is the act of focus, it is the act of paying attention, and these things are quite natural for that is how reality is manifested.

Beautiful.

Show me. Love is enlightened self interest.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 8:25 am Show me. Love is enlightened self interest.

Love is Sacrifice = Oxymoron, and leads to resentment.
The perception of personal sacrifice in the name of love inhibits love.

Walker wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 11:13 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 8:25 am Show me. Love is enlightened self interest.

Love is Sacrifice = Oxymoron, and leads to resentment.
The perception of personal sacrifice in the name of love inhibits love.

Aye, it should never be invoked. Externally, let alone, internally. The grandiosity is breath taking. It can be said with humility. But best with silence. With action.

Walker wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 11:13 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 8:25 am Show me. Love is enlightened self interest.

Love is Sacrifice = Oxymoron, and leads to resentment.
The perception of personal sacrifice in the name of love inhibits love.

Sacrifice the resentment.

The transformational power of love manifests as the sacrifice of what bears no fruit...it is the sacrifice of the vanity of who we are, the image we hold onto for security and control that for what it is is but a hollow barrier to freedom. Security and control are but shallow appearances.

Love is not a thought. It is not a feeling. It is not a thing. It is the birth of meaning from the vanity of existence where the abyss of the human condition collapses in on itself to manifest existence as a process of transformation.

Doubt this? Look at what you value and try to deny this thing does not change you for the better or for the worse.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 8:25 am Show me. Love is enlightened self interest.

Self-interest? Okay...point to where this self is first.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 5:38 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 8:25 am Show me. Love is enlightened self interest.

Self-interest? Okay...point to where this self is first.

Here.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:46 am Love is sacrifice of the percieved self for when a layer of the percieved self is sacrificed the center of a person gains a deeper degree of freedom in awareness and action as a barrier to awareness is reduced.

Love is natural. There doesn't need to be a perceived self. Consider how children and beloved pets do it.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:46 amWith this freedom possibility and potentiality emerges thus giving a greater depth to existence where a balance comes forth allowing all things to have a time and place giving root to a sense of completion that allows the interior fruit of value and purpose to occur and genuineness to be sustained.

Weren't you just dismissing my comments about possibility and potential in another thread?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:46 amThe simple act of paying attention reduces distraction which minimizes ambiguity for a sense of clarity and with this clarity the act of focus becomes more resolute as idolized experiences becomes leveled for a more holistic view that gives rise to an awareness of the infinite diversity of things as equinamous while having distinct irreplaceable attributes observed through the sheer nature of occurence itself.

It's all the stuff we layer on top that obscures it.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:46 amIt is in the act of paying attention that a great degree of freedom is cultivated for this allows interior and exterior change to arise and with change comes an elimination of limits for a renewed sense of experience.

Do you talk this way to all the girls?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:46 amLove is not limited to a feeling or mindset but rather is beyond such things, and yet allows them, for it is the cultivation of awareness within the depths of being, it is the act of focus, it is the act of paying attention, and these things are quite natural for that is how reality is manifested.

We experience a lot more... very naturally... when we get out of our own way.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 2:33 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:46 am Love is sacrifice of the percieved self for when a layer of the percieved self is sacrificed the center of a person gains a deeper degree of freedom in awareness and action as a barrier to awareness is reduced.

Love is natural. There doesn't need to be a perceived self. Consider how children and beloved pets do it.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:46 amWith this freedom possibility and potentiality emerges thus giving a greater depth to existence where a balance comes forth allowing all things to have a time and place giving root to a sense of completion that allows the interior fruit of value and purpose to occur and genuineness to be sustained.

Weren't you just dismissing my comments about possibility and potential in another thread?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:46 amThe simple act of paying attention reduces distraction which minimizes ambiguity for a sense of clarity and with this clarity the act of focus becomes more resolute as idolized experiences becomes leveled for a more holistic view that gives rise to an awareness of the infinite diversity of things as equinamous while having distinct irreplaceable attributes observed through the sheer nature of occurence itself.

It's all the stuff we layer on top that obscures it.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:46 amIt is in the act of paying attention that a great degree of freedom is cultivated for this allows interior and exterior change to arise and with change comes an elimination of limits for a renewed sense of experience.

Do you talk this way to all the girls?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:46 amLove is not limited to a feeling or mindset but rather is beyond such things, and yet allows them, for it is the cultivation of awareness within the depths of being, it is the act of focus, it is the act of paying attention, and these things are quite natural for that is how reality is manifested.

We experience a lot more... very naturally... when we get out of our own way.

Yes, there doesn't necessarily need a percieved self, the percieved self often gets in the way. It is often times a barrier which needs to go.

I didn't dismiss your comments about potentiality and possibility, I merely stated that words can be fruitless at times and in the times they are not there are many ways to talk about possibility.

The percieved self is a layer of the self.

To the girls? Only the ones that matter. If I said such things to all of them the words would lose meaning...and that would do noone any good.

And yes to the last.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 7:27 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 5:38 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 8:25 am Show me. Love is enlightened self interest.

Self-interest? Okay...point to where this self is first.

Here.

Okay. "Here" is where you are at. It is where I am at. It is were your friends are at. It is where your enemies are at. There are many heres.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 4:15 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 7:27 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 5:38 am
Self-interest? Okay...point to where this self is first.

Here.

Okay. "Here" is where you are at. It is where I am at. It is were your friends are at. It is where your enemies are at. There are many heres.

Here is where we're at. Where ourselves are expressing themselves.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 8:03 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 4:15 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 7:27 am
Here.

Okay. "Here" is where you are at. It is where I am at. It is were your friends are at. It is where your enemies are at. There are many heres.

Here is where we're at. Where ourselves are expressing themselves.

That is one "here", there are many. Each here you are expressing yourself is an interaction. Your interactions project yourself into who who what you interact with, so in certain respects those things or people become extensions of yourself...or at least facets of it. Now conversely those things or people you interact with imprint on you, they not only create a change in you, in one degree or another, but those identities are carried within you.

The self you know is both maintained, in one respect, and changed, in one respect, by interactions. So this "self" you claim is not only paradoxical but causes paradoxes. In some respects it exists with the perception of what is within and in some respects it exists with what is perceived outside. Inside or outside it is still perception and the is the constant notion of what we know...even if we question ourselves this is still perception. So it's a paradox, and it appears we end in deep ambiguity. That is part of the case, the other part is that paradoxes allow for transformation and transformation allows being to occur for the transformation is change and change allows things to occur my dissolving some limits and creating new ones.

love is sacrificed when the tennis ball is not returned after a good serve...

-Imp

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 9:06 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 8:03 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 4:15 pm

Okay. "Here" is where you are at. It is where I am at. It is were your friends are at. It is where your enemies are at. There are many heres.

Here is where we're at. Where ourselves are expressing themselves.

That is one "here", there are many. Each here you are expressing yourself is an interaction. Your interactions project yourself into who who what you interact with, so in certain respects those things or people become extensions of yourself...or at least facets of it. Now conversely those things or people you interact with imprint on you, they not only create a change in you, in one degree or another, but those identities are carried within you.

The self you know is both maintained, in one respect, and changed, in one respect, by interactions. So this "self" you claim is not only paradoxical but causes paradoxes. In some respects it exists with the perception of what is within and in some respects it exists with what is perceived outside. Inside or outside it is still perception and the is the constant notion of what we know...even if we question ourselves this is still perception. So it's a paradox, and it appears we end in deep ambiguity. That is part of the case, the other part is that paradoxes allow for transformation and transformation allows being to occur for the transformation is change and change allows things to occur my dissolving some limits and creating new ones.

This https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VAMGZC immediately came to mind. We are certainly made by others. As with every other fleeting interaction with 'reality'. Between every 0.1-2 s. Hundreds of thousands of times a day.