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If scientific truth is refined over time by further science and so on and so forth, is scientific truth merely contextually oriented as an expression of the time thus is not fixed jnterpretations?

methods of measurement may change

-Imp

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:58 am If scientific truth is refined over time by further science and so on and so forth, is scientific truth merely contextually oriented as an expression of the time thus is not fixed jnterpretations?

There are no fixed truths and, yes, this applies to science as well.

cladking wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:04 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:58 am If scientific truth is refined over time by further science and so on and so forth, is scientific truth merely contextually oriented as an expression of the time thus is not fixed jnterpretations?

There are no fixed truths and, yes, this applies to science as well.

Paradox time: If there are no fixed truths is this truth not fixed?

depending on the definition of truth

does it transcend human language?

-Imp

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:22 am

Paradox time: If there are no fixed truths is this truth not fixed?

Only a known truth is fixed.

Can the question be asked: Is there an unknown truth hidden beyond a known truth? Eventually, doesn't the mind hit the unknowable.

What appears as a fixed truth is never a fixed truth. A paradox indeed.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 10:28 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:22 am

Paradox time: If there are no fixed truths is this truth not fixed?

Only a known truth is fixed.

Can the question be asked: Is there an unknown truth hidden beyond a known truth? Eventually, doesn't the mind hit the unknowable.

What appears as a fixed truth is never a fixed truth. A paradox indeed.

What is fixed is merely one change by which other changes are observed. Using light as a fixed standard doesn't negate the light as also moving. We use change to measure change thus a "fixed truth" is merely a ratio of changes.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:06 pm depending on the definition of truth

does it transcend human language?

-Imp

When we acknowledge the word "truth" as having a paradoxical nature then the limits of language are observed.

how long until we measure by the exact number of atoms?

-Imp

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:58 am If scientific truth is refined over time by further science and so on and so forth, is scientific truth merely contextually oriented as an expression of the time thus is not fixed jnterpretations?

Well, I'll be buttered on both sides. This is the first statement you have uttered on this forum which is actually good science! Congratulations, you nailed it! You got it absolutely right! The whole story of science is a story of contextually-adequate explanations which met the needs of the time, but which proved to be inadequate as further data came to light. There are no "fixed" interpretations in science! Everything is negotiable. As Richard Feynman once said, "everything we think we know in physics is just an approximation".

alan1000 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:58 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:58 am If scientific truth is refined over time by further science and so on and so forth, is scientific truth merely contextually oriented as an expression of the time thus is not fixed jnterpretations?

Well, I'll be buttered on both sides. This is the first statement you have uttered on this forum which is actually good science! Congratulations, you nailed it! You got it absolutely right! The whole story of science is a story of contextually-adequate explanations which met the needs of the time, but which proved to be inadequate as further data came to light. There are no "fixed" interpretations in science! Everything is negotiable. As Richard Feynman once said, "everything we think we know in physics is just an approximation".

This applies to a deeper level than just science.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:58 am If scientific truth is refined over time by further science and so on and so forth, is scientific truth merely contextually oriented as an expression of the time thus is not fixed jnterpretations?

'Science' NEVER deals with ACTUAL 'Truth/s'.

'Science', instead, ONLY deals with what MIGHT, or what COULD, BE.

cladking wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:04 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:58 am If scientific truth is refined over time by further science and so on and so forth, is scientific truth merely contextually oriented as an expression of the time thus is not fixed jnterpretations?

There are no fixed truths and, yes, this applies to science as well.

LOL 'There are no fixed truths'.

Do ANY of those who CLAIM things like, 'There is NO truth', 'There are NO absolutes', 'Truth/s can NOT be known', or ANY other 'claim of an absolute truth' RECOGNIZE and SEE the CONTRADICTION and the HYPOCRISY IN the CLAIM.

Can you REALLY NOT RECOGNIZE and SEE the CONTRADICTION and HYPOCRISY in CLAIMING, 'There are NO fixed truths', as though 'it' IS A FIXED TRUTH?

If there, REALLY, are NO 'fixed truths', then 'your CLAIM', here, is NOT A 'fixed truth', ALSO. Making 'your CLAIM', literally, A 'contradiction in terms'.

'Truth', itself, is SO SIMPLE, and SO EASY, TO UNDERSTAND.

There consists; The 'Truth' AND the 'truth'.

What is 'true' to some, alone, is the 'truth'.

But, what is 'true' to EVERY one, is the 'Truth'.

And, it is ONLY the 'Truth', which is FIXED, FOREVER, IRREFUTABLE, and thus what is ACTUALLY True.

'truth', however, although appearing to some, may not be ACTUALLY True, AT ALL. Although

Now, and AGAIN, HOW TO DIFFERENTIATE and DISTINGUISH, EXACTLY, BETWEEN what IS ACTUALLY IRREFUTABLY True, FOREVER MORE, FROM what is just ASSUMED to be true, to some only, IS VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY, INDEED.

And, also AGAIN, if absolutely ANY one is INTERESTED in FINDING OUT HOW, ALSO, then let 'us' HAVE A DISCUSSION.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:23 am

cladking wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:04 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:58 am If scientific truth is refined over time by further science and so on and so forth, is scientific truth merely contextually oriented as an expression of the time thus is not fixed jnterpretations?

There are no fixed truths and, yes, this applies to science as well.

LOL 'There are no fixed truths'.

Do ANY of those who CLAIM things like, 'There is NO truth', 'There are NO absolutes', 'Truth/s can NOT be known', or ANY other 'claim of an absolute truth' RECOGNIZE and SEE the CONTRADICTION and the HYPOCRISY IN the CLAIM.

Can you REALLY NOT RECOGNIZE and SEE the CONTRADICTION and HYPOCRISY in CLAIMING, 'There are NO fixed truths', as though 'it' IS A FIXED TRUTH?

If there, REALLY, are NO 'fixed truths', then 'your CLAIM', here, is NOT A 'fixed truth', ALSO. Making 'your CLAIM', literally, A 'contradiction in terms'.

OK, I'll rephrase it for you. It's impossible to express truth in any language spoken by homo omnisciencis. And, yes, that includes this statement and the previous.